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Moira

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Posted: 12-08-04 15:21pm

cphilyaw wrote:
but you are only pointing out what you think is wrong have you ever trully read the bible and imagined the places where they live their lifestyle there daily activities and fully understood ever book and verse..


so that makes it ok for god to kill innocent people?

cphil wrote:
please read it maybe if you read it more in detail you will get the answers you are looking for straight from the source


read the whole thing. Still doesn't make any sense.
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Posted: 12-08-04 15:22pm

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and where does polio trace back to? And here that traces to and that and that? Everything bad orginated from a sin


out of curiosity, what are the bible verses that state that?
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Moira

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Posted: 12-08-04 15:23pm

jlee77 wrote:
god haters is all you are.

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


more lies. Thought you'd left?
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Posted: 12-08-04 19:29pm

Moira said
"ah so god is punishing someone that doesn't deserve it. Nice. "

now your learning! Remember the jews asked jesus about the blind man..

"who sinned, this man or his parents"

of course neither had sinned, he was born blind so jesus could cure him and gloryfy god... But the jews linked his blindness to sin - our god in the old testiment was vengeful but through the new covenant he is mercifull.
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Posted: 12-08-04 23:15pm

Thank you izzy, you just clarifyed that this god is nothing but revenge loving smiting power tripping control freak.. Izzy answer me this one..

Why should I be good when I might be punished anyway? How is this anyway to encourage people to not sin?
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Posted: 12-09-04 04:41am

Bd asked
"why should I be good when I might be punished anyway? How is this anyway to encourage people to not sin?"

whats the point in learning the green cross code... You may get knocked over anyway!

I tell you now I would rather go to hell having tried and failed than never to have tried at all... Even if I went to hell I would still love god and detest satan.

Those who are "good" will be blameless and will not get punished... How can you complain about being punished for wickedness but even in your wickedness by the grace of god who sent his only son he grants you forgivness if you repent... But men love the darkness and refuse to repent and change there evil ways.

Those who sin are a slave to sin, no servant is part of the family but a son is a permanant fixture in the household.... So if the son sets you free you will be free indeed.
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Posted: 12-09-04 04:44am

Bd wrote

"thank you izzy, you just clarifyed that this god is nothing but revenge loving smiting power tripping control freak."

now your learning of god - of course god will take his revenge on his enemies, god has the power and controls everything but!!!!!!!!



He is mercifull to those who love him!
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Posted: 12-09-04 06:21am

It's nice to have friends, even if they are imaginary.
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Posted: 12-09-04 06:32am

:d
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:22pm

To poopoopoo (?)

i dont know about yours or if you have one or your friends, but my god is so real, he is in everything I do , am and say, granted satan my get ahold of me sometimes but I am flesh I make mistakes, I am saved my grace and as long as I know in my heart god is real and I believe and trust that he will never forsake me I will be a child in heaven, and to me that pay off is priceless and tha is worth me not having friends whom are against him, trying to live right and having faith

you see life here on earth is designed to be hard either way you go but at least when it is all over and done with ill be walking on clouds in heaven while the rest will be burning forever



to everyone whom is against: how are you so sure there isnt a god? And how am I wrong for believeingif in your mind your right for our beliefs. Shouldnt I have the right to make my own choice and faith , ever thing that happens is for a reason whether it be gods or satan and yes satan is so real to but his powers are nothing, its your choice who you let control the situation
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:27pm

Life here on earth is so much more enjoyableknowing that you are going somewhere beautiful and glorious in the end rather than rotting away in the earth and letting worms and bugs crawl on you
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:32pm

Has everyone in here lost there mind, is it so hard to hold an adult conversation with out slander, critsism, or just plain out rudeness? How mature are you guys, really? There is only a few who have voiced there point of view and acted civilized about these conversations, I mean im sure you have other words in your vocabulary
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:33pm

You are very entitled to believe in whatever you want. You are not entitled to foist those beliefs on everyone else. If your religion makes a certain action wrong, then you don't do that action. But you should not say that those who do not hold the same religious convictions as you should also not do that action.

Personally, I have trouble with people who say, "this is what I think because my religion tells me to." (let's focus on abortion here, btw). If you say, "this is what I believe, this is a religion that agrees with my beliefs, ergo this is the religion to which I belong," it is somehow rather more intelligent.
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:36pm

"satan is so real too but his powers are nothing"

ooooo another great peice of wisdom, of course that is in comparison to god.

Satans whole promise is a lie, his power is in deception and we as human beings must never under estimate the power of deception as any christian will vouch many have been led astray by being decieved.

Once you have the truth(the word of god which is the armour of god) satan is almost powerless to deal a fatal blow. We all have have week spots and if that spot is hit enough times by sin eventually our armour may crack!

That is why it is a important need for regular confession, to have our armour replenished and any injuries that we have suffered - healed
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:41pm

Sorry, what does that contribute to a debate on abortion?
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Posted: 12-09-04 15:31pm

Izzy you are more than welcome to im me if you have aol @ rainsoft07


poo:
i am not saying your beleifs are wrong im saying they are different that what I believe but that does not mean there is no god, you just dont believe in him I do, you guys are saying there is no god, well I believe there is and I beleive you are wrong that doesnt make me dislike you for you is makes me want to pray that your eyes open or my eyes if im wrong in anyway, you like the person just dislike the sin
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Posted: 12-09-04 19:35pm

cphilyaw wrote:
life here on earth is so much more enjoyableknowing that you are going somewhere beautiful and glorious in the end rather than rotting away in the earth and letting worms and bugs crawl on you
hmm, belief for the sake of beautiful emotions? Guess that is as good a reason as nay. Somehow, that doesn't seem particularly biblical, this belief because of a need for reward. Sounds to close to pascal's wager.
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Posted: 12-09-04 19:39pm

cphilyaw wrote:
well I believe there is
so do i.
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and I beleive you are wrong
and I believe that you are wrong, and that your views directly contradicts the bible, so where does that leave us?
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that doesnt make me dislike you for you is makes me want to pray that your eyes open or my eyes if im wrong in anyway, you like the person just dislike the sin
unfortunately, *real* christians are getting the impression that fundies and catholics love sin because it gives them sinners to hate. We get the impression that you thrive on hatred, and that you are justifying this through the misuse of religion for your own political purposes, i.E. Blasphemy.
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Posted: 12-10-04 11:47am

I dont hate anyone so stop saying that I do... I am not catholic for your information I am a advent christian, the things that I have told you can be found inthe bible


as far as the worms and everything.......No thats not in the bible but you bury your loved one in the ground , I have a hard time believing thats how things will end, I believe there is a better place for you and I and whomever are followers of christ to go


i could only wish that you truley knew me..All of the situations on all these sites ive been there or have had someone I loved there and I stuck by them 100% , thats what you are supposed to do "support them" no wyes I disagree with what they do or have done but my belifs are that that it is not for me to judge them but to love them and help them, judging is for my lord to do

religion is not about hatred its about love,,,,,now there is things that happen that you dislike but hatred is such a strong word to use when you are takling about fellow humans
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Posted: 12-10-04 13:24pm

cphilyaw wrote:
i dont hate anyone so stop saying that I do... I am not catholic for your information I am a advent christian, the things that I have told you can be found inthe bible
as I said, you are a "fundie." and yes, your owrds are hateful. You do seem to take delight in disparaging those you see as sinners. Without sin, you wouldn't have the chance of doing this. As you clearly enjoy raking at those you see as sinners, you clearly love the sin. After all, without sin, you wouldn't have sinners to hate.

(now, if you truly don't hate them, as you claim, why is it your posts read as if you do? Perhaps you should consider what it is you are writing?)
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as far as the worms and everything.......No thats not in the bible but you bury your loved one in the ground , I have a hard time believing thats how things will end, I believe there is a better place for you and I and whomever are followers of christ to go
sure. It just came accross as if that was your justification for having faith. I guess I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.
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i could only wish that you truley knew me..All of the situations on all these sites ive been there or have had someone I loved there and I stuck by them 100% ,
but those in similar situations that you don't personally know, they are fair game for hatemongering and bigotry?
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religion is not about hatred its about love,,,,,
i very much agree. So why is it that so many self-professed christians live by the hate alone? Always have to have somebody who are worse, always have somebody to attack and disparage, always have somebody to feel better than?

Is that really how jesus asked us to view our fellow man?

See, *that* is what so disgusts me about catholicism and fundamentalism/evangelicals.
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