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Posted: 12-08-04 15:21pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
but you are only pointing
out what you think is wrong have you ever
trully read the bible and imagined the
places where they live their lifestyle
there daily activities and fully
understood ever book and verse..
so that makes it ok for god to kill
innocent people?
cphil
wrote:
please read it maybe if you
read it more in detail you will get the
answers you are looking for straight from
the source
read the whole thing. Still doesn't make
any sense.
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Moira
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Posted: 12-08-04 15:22pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
and where does polio trace
back to? And here that traces to and
that and that? Everything bad orginated
from a sin
out of curiosity, what are the bible
verses that state that?
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Moira
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Posted: 12-08-04 15:23pm
jlee77
wrote:
god haters is all you are.
more lies. Thought you'd left?
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-08-04 19:29pm
Moira said
"ah so god is punishing someone that
doesn't deserve it. Nice. "
now your learning! Remember the jews
asked jesus about the blind man..
"who sinned, this man or his parents"
of course neither had sinned, he was born
blind so jesus could cure him and gloryfy
god... But the jews linked his blindness
to sin - our god in the old testiment was
vengeful but through the new covenant he
is mercifull.
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-08-04 23:15pm
Thank you izzy, you just clarifyed that
this god is nothing but revenge loving
smiting power tripping control freak..
Izzy answer me this one..
Why should I be good when I might be
punished anyway? How is this anyway to
encourage people to not sin?
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-09-04 04:41am
Bd asked
"why should I be good when I might be
punished anyway? How is this anyway to
encourage people to not sin?"
whats the point in learning the green
cross code... You may get knocked over
anyway!
I tell you now I would rather go to hell
having tried and failed than never to have
tried at all... Even if I went to hell I
would still love god and detest satan.
Those who are "good" will be blameless and
will not get punished... How can you
complain about being punished for
wickedness but even in your wickedness by
the grace of god who sent his only son he
grants you forgivness if you repent...
But men love the darkness and refuse to
repent and change there evil ways.
Those who sin are a slave to sin, no
servant is part of the family but a son is
a permanant fixture in the household....
So if the son sets you free you will be
free indeed.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-09-04 04:44am
Bd wrote
"thank you izzy, you just clarifyed that
this god is nothing but revenge loving
smiting power tripping control freak."
now your learning of god - of course god
will take his revenge on his enemies, god
has the power and controls everything
but!!!!!!!!
He is mercifull to those who love him!
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-09-04 06:21am
It's nice to have friends, even if they
are imaginary.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-09-04 06:32am
:d
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cphilyaw
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:22pm
To poopoopoo (?)
i dont know about yours or if you have one
or your friends, but my god is so real, he
is in everything I do , am and say,
granted satan my get ahold of me sometimes
but I am flesh I make mistakes, I am saved
my grace and as long as I know in my heart
god is real and I believe and trust that
he will never forsake me I will be a child
in heaven, and to me that pay off is
priceless and tha is worth me not having
friends whom are against him, trying to
live right and having faith
you see life here on earth is designed to
be hard either way you go but at least
when it is all over and done with ill be
walking on clouds in heaven while the rest
will be burning forever
to everyone whom is against: how are you
so sure there isnt a god? And how am I
wrong for believeingif in your mind your
right for our beliefs. Shouldnt I have
the right to make my own choice and faith
, ever thing that happens is for a reason
whether it be gods or satan and yes satan
is so real to but his powers are nothing,
its your choice who you let control the
situation
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cphilyaw
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:27pm
Life here on earth is so much more
enjoyableknowing that you are going
somewhere beautiful and glorious in the
end rather than rotting away in the earth
and letting worms and bugs crawl on you
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cphilyaw
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:32pm
Has everyone in here lost there mind, is
it so hard to hold an adult conversation
with out slander, critsism, or just plain
out rudeness? How mature are you guys,
really? There is only a few who have
voiced there point of view and acted
civilized about these conversations, I
mean im sure you have other words in your
vocabulary
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:33pm
You are very entitled to believe in
whatever you want. You are not entitled
to foist those beliefs on everyone else.
If your religion makes a certain action
wrong, then you don't do that action. But
you should not say that those who do not
hold the same religious convictions as you
should also not do that action.
Personally, I have trouble with people who
say, "this is what I think because my
religion tells me to." (let's focus on
abortion here, btw). If you say, "this is
what I believe, this is a religion that
agrees with my beliefs, ergo this is the
religion to which I belong," it is somehow
rather more intelligent.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:36pm
"satan is so real too but his powers are
nothing"
ooooo another great peice of wisdom, of
course that is in comparison to god.
Satans whole promise is a lie, his power
is in deception and we as human beings
must never under estimate the power of
deception as any christian will vouch many
have been led astray by being decieved.
Once you have the truth(the word of god
which is the armour of god) satan is
almost powerless to deal a fatal blow. We
all have have week spots and if that spot
is hit enough times by sin eventually our
armour may crack!
That is why it is a important need for
regular confession, to have our armour
replenished and any injuries that we have
suffered - healed
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:41pm
Sorry, what does that contribute to a
debate on abortion?
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cphilyaw
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Posted: 12-09-04 15:31pm
Izzy you are more than welcome to im me if
you have aol @ rainsoft07
poo:
i am not saying your beleifs are wrong im
saying they are different that what I
believe but that does not mean there is no
god, you just dont believe in him I do,
you guys are saying there is no god, well
I believe there is and I beleive you are
wrong that doesnt make me dislike you for
you is makes me want to pray that your
eyes open or my eyes if im wrong in
anyway, you like the person just dislike
the sin
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Posted: 12-09-04 19:35pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
life here on earth is so
much more enjoyableknowing that you are
going somewhere beautiful and glorious in
the end rather than rotting away in the
earth and letting worms and bugs crawl on
you
hmm, belief for the sake
of beautiful emotions? Guess that is as
good a reason as nay. Somehow, that
doesn't seem particularly biblical, this
belief because of a need for reward.
Sounds to close to pascal's wager.
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steen
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Posted: 12-09-04 19:39pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
well I believe there
is
so do i.
Quote:
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and I beleive
you are wrong
and I believe that you
are wrong, and that your views directly
contradicts the bible, so where does that
leave us?
Quote:
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that doesnt make
me dislike you for you is makes me want to
pray that your eyes open or my eyes if im
wrong in anyway, you like the person just
dislike the
sin
unfortunately, *real*
christians are getting the impression that
fundies and catholics love sin because it
gives them sinners to hate. We get the
impression that you thrive on hatred, and
that you are justifying this through the
misuse of religion for your own political
purposes, i.E. Blasphemy.
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cphilyaw
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Posted: 12-10-04 11:47am
I dont hate anyone so stop saying that I
do... I am not catholic for your
information I am a advent christian, the
things that I have told you can be found
inthe bible
as far as the worms and
everything.......No thats not in the bible
but you bury your loved one in the ground
, I have a hard time believing thats how
things will end, I believe there is a
better place for you and I and whomever
are followers of christ to go
i could only wish that you truley knew
me..All of the situations on all these
sites ive been there or have had someone I
loved there and I stuck by them 100% ,
thats what you are supposed to do "support
them" no wyes I disagree with what they do
or have done but my belifs are that that
it is not for me to judge them but to love
them and help them, judging is for my lord
to do
religion is not about hatred its about
love,,,,,now there is things that happen
that you dislike but hatred is such a
strong word to use when you are takling
about fellow humans
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Posted: 12-10-04 13:24pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
i dont hate anyone so stop
saying that I do... I am not catholic
for your information I am a advent
christian, the things that I have told you
can be found inthe
bible
as I said, you are a
"fundie." and yes, your owrds are
hateful. You do seem to take delight in
disparaging those you see as sinners.
Without sin, you wouldn't have the chance
of doing this. As you clearly enjoy
raking at those you see as sinners, you
clearly love the sin. After all, without
sin, you wouldn't have sinners to hate.
(now, if you truly don't hate them, as you
claim, why is it your posts read as if you
do? Perhaps you should consider what it
is you are writing?)
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as far as the
worms and everything.......No thats not in
the bible but you bury your loved one in
the ground , I have a hard time believing
thats how things will end, I believe there
is a better place for you and I and
whomever are followers of christ to
go
sure. It just came
accross as if that was your justification
for having faith. I guess I
misunderstood you. Sorry about that.
Quote:
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i could only wish
that you truley knew me..All of the
situations on all these sites ive been
there or have had someone I loved there
and I stuck by them 100%
,
but those in similar
situations that you don't personally know,
they are fair game for hatemongering and
bigotry?
Quote:
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religion is not
about hatred its about
love,,,,,
i very much agree. So
why is it that so many self-professed
christians live by the hate alone?
Always have to have somebody who are
worse, always have somebody to attack and
disparage, always have somebody to feel
better than?
Is that really how jesus asked us to view
our fellow man?
See, *that* is what so disgusts me about
catholicism and
fundamentalism/evangelicals.