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Q: a Possible Worry (advice Needed)
asked by: tedfed1000 on December 7th, 2004
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Hello guys,

well I went to thailand for 3 weeks ,and slept with 9 girls although, every time was protected , and I checked the condom each time it never broke,

however, one night I did something so stupid, I was drunk, and I cut my finger on the door of my hotel room , when I was going to close it, it did bleed, but because I was drunk I didnt think to wash it off, anyway, about 10-15 mins later, I was having sex, and I put the finger up the girls vagina, soo stupid, even worse the fact that she was a working bar girl.

Off course after wards when I had relized what I have done, I cleaned it throughly, not that it would have made any difference, anyway I wasn't thinking at the time ,and was under influence of alcohol.

I'm going tot the clinic just after xmas, to check for any std's or sti's , I could have got , as I did receive unprotected oral sex a few times too, again stupid, although I don't have symtoms as such, just for peace of mind.

I will get a hiv/aids test as well in 5-6 months.

I don't need anyone to remind what a stupid thing it was to do , just any advice other than going to the clinic and getting seen???

Just how serious could it be????

Regards all

ted
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tedfed1000
replied on December 10th, 2004
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Anyone able to help??
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SamiNSunisMa
replied on December 10th, 2004
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Why are u waiting 5-6 mos for the hiv test?
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tedfed1000
replied on December 12th, 2004
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Sorry, I will wait 3 months

any advice anyone???
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Finess150
replied on April 9th, 2005
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Through a Cut...
Hi, maybe you've been tested by now. If so, I hope it went well.
The fact is, hiv is not an easy virus to catch. Even when having sex with someone who has hiv only carries a 1-3% of catching it yourself (this does not mean you shouldn't use condoms every time!). Fingering is a very very low risk activity for hiv. If there is a fresh cut, the possibility for infection is increased since this allows the virus entry into the blood stream. However - there have been no documented cases of this occuring.
Just be careful next time and avoid this acitivity if you have fresh cuts or open sores on your finger.
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RoseAxel
replied on April 30th, 2005
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Yo, problem Finess150
He said he cut his finger about 10-15 minutes before fingering. Therefore his change is increased, as you claim, since surely it was still open due to his being drunk. Alcohol affects all types of blood cells, as well as platelets and clotting factors (which are necessary to close wounds). The result of the interference is an increased risk of bleeding.
There's always a first time for everything, and, just because there are no documented cases, there may exist a large number of infections in which fingering is the very case. You cannot use this to support your position. Very unfounded and poor discretion to do so.
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Finess150
replied on April 30th, 2005
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There's No Need to Call Me That
Firstly, i'll just let you know that in discussing the issue of fingering, many medical professionals highlight the fact that there have been no documented cases. Please do not assume that i'm saying it as a sweeping statement, I am merely delivering all the facts, including that one. It may be inaccurate, but it does demonstrate that fingering is certainly not a primary route of transmission. If it does occur, it occurs extremely rarely.
I did not say that his wound will have been completely closed. It may have been (despite his alcohol consumption) or it may not have been - different people heal at different rates. The more fresh the wound, the easier the passage of blood-borne pathogens including hiv.
I did not deny that he was at risk, I was simply putting the situation into the perspective it needed, by evaluating the risk in comparison to other sexual activities. The risk is low but not non-existant. But the memphasis really shouldn't be on these technicalities of how fresh the cut was etc. Since that is no real way to know for sure. The fact is, if you feel that you are at risk, it is only logical that you test. It's a difficult step but highly important and I respect anyone who bites the bullet and takes it.
Lastly, if you use insulting language again, I will inform the website, especially since it is used childishly and undeservedly.

I recommend thebody.Com, which provides extensive advice on hiv. Dr. Bob frascino is an expert in the field and may be able to answer the original question with more detail. He was infected fourteen years ago while iusing a needle on an aids patient, and even he will emphasise the difficulty in becoming infected with hiv. But at the end of it, he will tell you to get tested, mainly for peace of mind.
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Good Advise
replied on April 30th, 2005
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to Ted
Your posting and questions deserve a response. In my honest opinion, you are part of the smallest statistic when it comes to hiv risk. It is more than likely that you gave the female hiv rathter than her to you with the incident described. Women are usually at higher risk compared to men. Hiv is not easy to get, but you could be the lottery winner. Why gamble! Sure, anything is possible, but your incident is not the way hiv likes to transmit to another partner. We could spend hours on stats and theory and science, but I rahter stick to science and advise.

Your history of multiple partners, protected or not, is an issue that you must confront and deal with. You must change your pattern. Simply, and I know you don't want to hear it, but sex is an art and not a toy. Good art is never made in 5 minutes. It is an extended relationship that makes it worth it, especially unprotected with your partner.

In your case, I would certainly recommend an antibody test, whereas you certainly had enough time to seroconvert by now if you were hiv infected. Keep in mind that hiv symptoms vary and are very similar to 1000 other illnesses and unknown viruses, plus guilt and fear of hiv can contribute. The best advise is one from your doctor.

Not only would I go to the doctor to get an antibody test, I would also request an additional test called a pcr. This test looks specifically for the rna of the virus. Basically, instead of looking for antibodies that your body may not have yet created, it looks for the virus itself. This test should be taken about 28 days after your last exposure to risk. You should probably have undetectable hiv levels, which is a preliminary all clear. Follow up by taking an elisa after 13 weeks to seal the deal.

All of this advise may not be standard and the tests are expensive, but it's only for your own good. If you don't plan on changing your exposure practices, forget everything that i've said. It just doesn't matter to those who don't want to listen.
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