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bluebubble888
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Posted: 12-01-04 07:46am
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Hey hey hey!! No name calling here!!
First off I am not a liar or a, what was
that steen?? "a silly dupe"?? ~i have
read alot of research on how abortions are
risky and more dangerous and unnatrual
than childbirth. There are many web sites
that support both claims; one being too
risky than the other......So I will agree
to diagree with you on that~and not
apologize for anything since there is
nothing to apologize for. Funny how you
provide no facts or research in your
claims~you just bash mine! Please you
credible sources while disbanning mine
instead of your own opinions! Thankx!
Secondly when did I ever say abortion
causes breast cancer!!!! If I weren't
misquoted by a certain someone than it
would be clear that I said ~abortions can
increase the risk of breast cancer....And
I will stand behind that untill the last
breath in my body because it steen now who
is making bogus claims. So now~this has
come full circle and is just becoming
silly.....All I see from steen is bashing
of other peoples words. I could see if
they were legid. Bashes~but most of what
he is saying is backed by nothing rather
than a stubborn mind. So let me turn the
tables on you. If you are for
abortions~go kill babies.......Bottom
line: lies or no lies: the truth will
always prevail......Abortion is a selfish
answer to a selfish person.
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 12-01-04 07:52am
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| hotasfrick
wrote: | funny, those who are against
abortion were born. See, your
"thoughts" make no sense. Obviously in
order to develop a thought you would have
to exist. Geez.
Let's see you get raped and fall pregnant
with a pregnancy that would kill you if
you continued with it. Then tell me you
are against
abortion. |
as a victim of molestation and rape I
understand what you are saying. But im
sorry if you just plain didn't use a
condom own up to ur mistake, b/c the kid
will *n*o*t end up a mistake 
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bluebubble888
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Posted: 12-01-04 07:56am
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Only 1% of rape victims fall pregnant...
Go ahead steen~see the little "qoute"
button~go ahead call me a liar and a
"dupe".....But do you understand that your
words are just as credible as mine. (you
can quote that too.. )
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 12-01-04 08:01am
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All I have to say to steen and bluebubble
is no name calling, just b/c u dont agree
doesnt mean they are a liar or stupid or a
dupe 
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-01-04 09:15am
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| saminsunisma
wrote: | | hotasfrick
wrote: | funny, those who are against
abortion were born. See, your
"thoughts" make no sense. Obviously in
order to develop a thought you would have
to exist. Geez.
Let's see you get raped and fall pregnant
with a pregnancy that would kill you if
you continued with it. Then tell me
you are against
abortion. |
as a victim of molestation and rape I
understand what you are saying. But im
sorry if you just plain didn't use a
condom own up to ur mistake, b/c the kid
will *n*o*t end up a mistake |
don't tell people what to do with their
pregnancies.. It's none of your business.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-01-04 09:25am
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| bluebubble888
wrote: | | ~i have read alot of
research on how abortions are risky and
more dangerous and unnatrual than
childbirth. There are many web sites
that support both claims;
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illegal abortions are very risky -- women
having themselves punched or even stabbed
in the stomach, or inserting sharp objects
or injecting poisons up into their vaginas
to their uterus. Or going to backroom
abortionists, where there may not be
adequate hygeine. Yes -- illegal
abortions are very risky.
Legal abortions are extremely safe, on the
other hand. Much safer than pregnancy and
childbirth.
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 12-01-04 09:33am
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| bd1012
wrote: | | saminsunisma
wrote: | | hotasfrick
wrote: | funny, those who are against
abortion were born. See, your
"thoughts" make no sense. Obviously
in order to develop a thought you would
have to exist. Geez.
Let's see you get raped and fall pregnant
with a pregnancy that would kill you if
you continued with it. Then tell me
you are against
abortion. |
as a victim of molestation and rape I
understand what you are saying. But im
sorry if you just plain didn't use a
condom own up to ur mistake, b/c the kid
will *n*o*t end up a mistake |
don't tell people what to do with their
pregnancies.. It's none of your
business. |
no its not but this *i*s a debate
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004
Posts: 302
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Posted: 12-01-04 10:05am
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| bluebubble888
wrote: | | i have read alot of research
on how abortions are risky and more
dangerous and unnatrual than childbirth.
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find me one independent site that says
this. You can't. You can only show me
biased propoganda sites.
| bluebubble888
wrote: | | there are many web sites
that support both claims; one being too
risky than the other......So I will agree
to diagree with you on
that |
well if a lot of sites say it it must be
true!
show me this research and I will disprove
it to you.
| bluebubble888
wrote: | | if I weren't misquoted by a
certain someone than it would be clear
that I said ~abortions can increase the
risk of breast cancer....And I will stand
behind that untill the last breath in my
body because it steen now who is making
bogus claims. |
i wouldn't if I were you.
1) show me these studies that "prove" a
link between abortion and breast cancer.
2) explain why these studies are more
reliable than the one cited here http://news.Bbc.Co
.Uk/1/hi/health/3568041.Stm
and I quote:
"results from these women showed that for
those who had miscarried there was no
increased risk of breast cancer compared
to the general population. The risk was
actually slightly lower among those who
had an abortion.
Professor beral told bbc news online: "the
results should make it clear that studies
which are properly designed show
pregnancies that end in abortion don't
increase the risk of breast cancer."
she said previous studies have never been
based on any biological evidence.
Delyth morgan, chief executive of
breakthrough breast cancer, said: "we hope
that this research will put a stop, once
and for all, to the persistent claims that
abortion is a risk factor for the disease
and give reassurance to women."
she said concerns about breast cancer
should not influence a woman's decision
whether or not to have an abortion"
i advise you to retract your false
claims.
| bluebubble888
wrote: | | so let me turn the tables on
you. If you are for abortions~go kill
babies....... |
i have never killed a baby in my life, and
never will. Abortion doesn't kill
babies.
| bluebubble888
wrote: | | bottom line: lies or no
lies: the truth will always
prevail......Abortion is a selfish answer
to a selfish
person. |
so it's selfish to refuse to donate your
body and resources and harm yourself
physically for another? I presume you
only have one kidney because of course
you've donated one. I presume you donate
bone marrow and blood every 12 weeks.
Because otherwise, according to you, you
would be selfish.
And that's of course assuming that a fetus
is a baby. And why don't you show us this
truth of which you speak?
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 883
Location: Earth
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Posted: 12-01-04 11:22am
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"i presume you only have one kidney
because of course you've donated one. I
presume you donate bone marrow and blood
every 12 weeks"
and what if he does?
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
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Posts: 302
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Posted: 12-01-04 11:35am
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It will make him less of a hypocrite.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
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Location: Earth
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Posted: 12-01-04 11:54am
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But it wouldnt make his post any more
honest.
It would just mean that he was a little
selfish to a point too - so what?
Abortion isnt about donating kidneys or
bone marrow or blood, its about the direct
killing of another human being.
If he dosnt donate bone marrow or blood or
a kidney he isnt purposly killing someone
- he is simply refusing to donate.....
Maybe he would donate if he could have the
gaurentee he would be able to use it
himslef after he had donated and then have
it back as entirely his after nine
months.
You dont donate anything durring
pregnancy.... You .S.H.A.R.E a limited
number of things
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bluebubble888
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 499
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Posted: 12-01-04 12:17pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | saminsunisma
wrote: | | hotasfrick
wrote: | funny, those who are against
abortion were born. See, your
"thoughts" make no sense. Obviously
in order to develop a thought you would
have to exist. Geez.
Let's see you get raped and fall pregnant
with a pregnancy that would kill you if
you continued with it. Then tell me
you are against
abortion. |
as a victim of molestation and rape I
understand what you are saying. But im
sorry if you just plain didn't use a
condom own up to ur mistake, b/c the kid
will *n*o*t end up a mistake |
don't tell people what to do with their
pregnancies.. It's none of your
business. |
don't tell other people what they can and
can't say~
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bluebubble888
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
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Posted: 12-01-04 12:22pm
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First off~i'm a girl
i don't see any link between the direct
intenion of killling a human life~and the
lack of donating organs to someone who is
allready dying.
And of course in a hearbeat~i would donate
any organ that I do not allready need to
save the life of someone else.
It is senless and stupid to call the baby
a "fetus"....Tell me then~when does it
directly become a baby?
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
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Posted: 12-01-04 12:27pm
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It becomes a baby when it takes it's first
breath.. Actually it becomes a baby
whenever it exists and someone loves it..
Baby is a term of endearment. The correct
term is infant or neonate. It becomes
and infant/neonate at birth, when it takes
it's first breath. Neonate is a stage of
development so it can't be a fetus and
neonate at the same time. Fetus is not
a made up term to dehumanize the "child"
but an actual term used to describe a
stage of development. There's your
answer.. Take it or leave it.
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bluebubble888
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
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Posted: 12-01-04 12:32pm
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There's too many sites to even put on
here.....Go to google.Com and type in
abortion and breast cancer. Some sites
say it increases the risks others say it
dosn't. I'm not going to waste my time.
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bluebubble888
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
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Posted: 12-01-04 12:34pm
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I think the argument of when something
becomes a "baby" or what not is bogus.
Life in general starts at the moment of
conception.
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
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Posted: 12-01-04 12:54pm
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| bluebubble888
wrote: | | there's too many sites to
even put on here.....Go to google.Com and
type in abortion and breast cancer.
Some sites say it increases the risks
others say it dosn't. I'm not going to
waste my
time. |
you're skirting the issue, probably
because you know you're wrong. If you're
right, you can easily prove it to me.
You are the one claiming abortion causes
breast cancer. You have to back this
statement up.
Show me the study you base this belief on
and I will disprove it to you.
Explain to me why you think studies only
posted on biased and therefore unreliable
sites are more reliable than the one I
posted further up the page. Explain why
you think the lancet and the chief
executive of breakthrough breast cancer
are wrong.
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Moira
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Posted: 12-01-04 12:55pm
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| bluebubble888
wrote: | | i think the argument of when
something becomes a "baby" or what not is
bogus. Life in general starts at the
moment of
conception. |
all of our laws, rights and the whole
constitution is based on personhood. Why
do you think this notion should be
overturned?
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
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Posted: 12-01-04 13:03pm
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| bluebubble888
wrote: | | first off~i'm a girl
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| blue
wrote: | | i don't see any link between
the direct intenion of killling a human
life~and the lack of donating organs to
someone who is allready dying.
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of course not, you've shown by your
stubborn refusal to admit that the breast
cancer-abortion link is a lie that you
only believe what you want to.
In pregnancy the womans body and resources
are being donated to the fetus, causing
her physical and emotional harm. The
woman then cuts off this donation. In
both the kidney donation scenario and the
pregnancy scenario, a person dies because
of a lack of donation (taking the zef to
be a person).
| blue
wrote: | | and of course in a
hearbeat~i would donate any organ that I
do not allready need to save the life of
someone else.
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off you go then, there are plenty of
people who need it. And of course you
want to make this law, just like you want
to make abortion illegal. You'd be a
hypocrite otherwise.
| blue
wrote: | | it is senless and stupid to
call the baby a "fetus"....Tell me
then~when does it directly become a
baby? |
and why are medical terms "senseless and
stupid"? So not only do you want to throw
the law in regards to personhood to the
wind, you now want to overturn medical
thinking. Fascinating. From now on all
doctors refer to fetus' as "snuggly wuggly
babykins" because you've said so. I see.
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Moira
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Posted: 12-01-04 13:06pm
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| izzy
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if he dosnt donate bone marrow or blood or
a kidney he isnt purposly killing someone
- he is simply refusing to donate.....
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just like the woman is.
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