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Izzy

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Message For Those In "trouble"
Posted: 11-12-04 18:38pm

If you coud talk with the three hebrew children about their experiences with the lord in the fiery furnace, perhaps they would describe it this way:

"the fire was all around us. Our clothes were ablaze , yet amazingly , our skin was untouched. We had no idea what was going on. Then something moved among the ashes; we were not alone.

Suddenly out of the smoke came a shining, gleaming person! We never got his name; he never said it, he never said anything. But just knowing he was there brought such comfort. His presence protected us in the midst of the crisis.

Now, we do not mean to say that the fire went out or that the heat was reduced. No it still burned, but the brightness of the falmes were eclipsed by the brightness of his presance.

We never saw him again; he showed up only when we needed him. One thing is sure however, looking back we are glad they dragged us from the presance of the wicked king into the presance of the righteous one!"

are you walking through a fiery trial today? If so you are not alone - god is with you, take courage! When he brings you out you will know him better and trust him more
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Izzy

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Posted: 11-12-04 18:56pm

How can we be sure jesus' death was not just the passing of another man? Well for starters his death fullfilled 29 different prophesies. Discussing the odds of that happening, mathamtician peter stoner drwas this analogy: "cover the entire state of texas two feet deep in silver dollors place a mark on one . Now what is the possiblity of a person choosing that marked dollor on their first atttempt." that is the likelyhood of fulfilling just eight prophesies in an entire lifetime... Jesus fulfilled 29 in just one day!

Here are some of them. "he was wonded for our transgressions , bruised for our iniquities" "by his stripes we are healed" "they peirced my hands and feet" "they devided my garments and cast lots" "in that day I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in daylight"

jesus was not the victim of circumstances - he was the arranger of them! He planned and orchestrated every event including judas' betrayal, the high priests hypocrisy and peters denial. Why? "so that what the prophets wrote would come true" wow you can trust what he says!

He can change your situation. His word says he is... "able to do immeasurably more than we ask or imagine" did you get that?

What seems imposible to us, is all in a days work for him.

So put your trust in him and he will protect you durring that fiery trial
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Heathergirl

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Posted: 12-01-04 20:03pm

I think I love you. Smile thanks for your posts.
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Moira

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Posted: 12-01-04 20:16pm

Very nice, if you believe izzy's interpretation of the bible.
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Heathergirl

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Posted: 12-01-04 20:21pm

I would hope everyone agreed with her.
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Moira

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Posted: 12-01-04 20:30pm

Well, they don't.
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briz77

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Posted: 12-02-04 00:10am

I have decided that izzy knows what shes talking about Smile and moira, there will never be an argument strong enough to justify abortion and taking the life of another...Sorry.
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steen

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Posted: 12-02-04 00:10am

heathergirl wrote:
i would hope everyone agreed with her.
izzy's post is blabbering nonsense. It is causing serious harm to the credibility of the rest of us christians.
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justacanadiangirl

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Posted: 12-02-04 01:26am

And what for those of us who were not raised going to church and believing in god?
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Izzy

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Posted: 12-02-04 05:40am

Steen you sir are doing much more damage to christianity than I ever could.

The fact you are in favor of women having abortions is counter to christianity - to those who do not know this you are bringing christianity into disrepute.


But then again I doubt very much that you are a christian but rather are pretending to be in order to lead the flock of the good shepherd astray... You dont fool me

"beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravaging wolves. "

"i'm sending you out like lambs among wolves"

"i know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock."


i know you steen.... I know you by your fruit!


"in the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. "

"a good tree can't produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit. "

"every tree that doesn't produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "

"even now the ax is ready to strike the root of the trees! Therefore, every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire."

"so you'll recognize them by their fruit."

steen I recomend if you want to keep any credibility you keep off the subject of religion... I am way way to wise for you in this department!

But if you think you can - lets get it on!
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Moira

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Posted: 12-02-04 07:21am

briz77 wrote:
i have decided that izzy knows what shes talking about Smile and moira, there will never be an argument strong enough to justify abortion and taking the life of another...Sorry.


and which of her incoherent paranoid babblings made you think she knows what she's on about?

Plus, you have yet to prove that a fetus is a person or that a woman should lose her right to bodily autonomy.
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bd1012

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Posted: 12-02-04 10:36am

Briz how about self defense. That is what abortion is to those who don't want to gestate.. Self defense. Do you agree with homicide if your life is in danger by that person? If your legally allowed to kill a born person if they put your life in danger than why not an "unborn"?
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briz77

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Posted: 12-02-04 20:01pm

bd1012 wrote:
briz how about self defense. That is what abortion is to those who don't want to gestate.. Self defense. Do you agree with not a nice act if your life is in danger by that person? If your legally allowed to kill a born person if they put your life in danger than why not an "unborn"?



lets take a look here at the meaning of the word self-defense. By law, the definition is this "by law. The right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means are reasonably necessary." except in the rare case that the mothers life is in danger, there is no threatened or actual violence from the unborn to the expectant mother so therefore you can not intellegently argue that abortion is an act of self defense. Also, yes, you are allowed to defend yourself against a person commiting a violent act toward you, which can be considered a wrong doing or a sin, but if im not mistaken, which im not, the unborn are unable to commit a violent act and are innocent, or born without sin or wrongs. Thats why! That was an exceptionally dim-witted analogy.
Thank you
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briz77

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Posted: 12-02-04 20:17pm

People often ask the question "when does an embryo or fetus become human?" this is an important question, as the killing of a human is homicide. Fetuses and embryos actually are biologically complete individual humans from the moment of conception. However during the pregnancy fetuses develop in the human form. Development occurs much more rapidly than most people realize, and the fetus eventually gains the ability to live without its mother during the late second trimester.

Http://www.A bortioninfo.Net/facts/development.Shtml
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briz77

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Posted: 12-02-04 20:30pm

"this new single-cell human being immediately produces specifically human proteins and enzymes11 (not carrot or frog enzymes and proteins), and genetically directs his/her own growth and development. (in fact, this genetic growth and development has been proven not to be directed by the mother.)12 finally, this new human being — the single-cell human zygote — is biologically an individual, a living organism — an individual member of the human species."

http://www.L4l.Org/libr ary/mythfact.Html
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briz77

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Posted: 12-02-04 20:35pm

"myth 2: "the product of fertilization is simply a 'blob,' a 'bunch of cells', a 'piece of the mother's tissues'."

fact 2: as demonstrated above, the human embryonic organism formed at fertilization is a whole human being, and therefore it is not just a "blob" or a "bunch of cells." this new human individual also has a mixture of both the mother's and the father's chromosomes, and therefore it is not just a "piece of the mother's tissues". Quoting carlson:

"... [t]hrough the mingling of maternal and paternal chromosomes, the zygote is a genetically unique product of chromosomal reassortment, which is important for the viability of any species."15 (emphasis added.)

myth 3: "the immediate product of fertilization is just a 'potential' or a 'possible' human being — not a real existing human being."

fact 3: as demonstrated above, scientifically there is absolutely no question whatsoever that the immediate product of fertilization is a newly existing human being. A human zygote is a human being. It is not a "potential" or a "possible" human being. It's an actual human being — with the potential to grow bigger and develop its capacities.

Myth 4: "a single-cell human zygote, or embryo, or fetus are not human beings, because they do not look like human beings."

fact 4: as all human embryologists know, a single-cell human zygote, or a more developed human embryo, or human fetus is a human being — and that that's the way they are supposed to look at those particular periods of development.

Myth 5: "the immediate product of fertilization is just an 'it' — it is neither a girl nor a boy."

fact 5: the immediate product of fertilization is genetically already a girl or a boy — determined by the kind of sperm that fertilizes the oocyte. Quoting carlson again:

"...[t]he sex of the future embryo is determined by the chromosomal complement of the spermatozoon. (if the sperm contains 22 autosomes and 2 x chromosomes, the embryo will be a genetic female, and if it contains 22 autosomes and an x and a y chromosome, the embryo will be a genetic male.)"16"


yay! I like evidence!!!!!!!
Http://www.L4l.Org/libr ary/mythfact.Html

do I need to continue.
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briz77

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Posted: 12-02-04 20:43pm

Im going to a cool play now, so I will be back in a while!
Yay for evidence that proves the unborn are human!!!!!!!!!
Good night
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Posted: 12-02-04 23:34pm

izzy wrote:
steen you sir are doing much more damage to christianity than I ever could.
<snort> take a hike, misogynistic troll.
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steen

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Posted: 12-02-04 23:40pm

briz77 wrote:
lets take a look here at the meaning of the word self-defense. By law, the definition is this "by law.
heh, "by law," abortion is a legal medical procedure, case closed.
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the right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means are reasonably necessary." except in the rare case that the mothers life is in danger, there is no threatened or actual violence from the unborn to the expectant mother so therefore you can not intellegently argue that abortion is an act of self defense.
given that unauthorized use of one's bodily resources against one's will is assault, it is violence. Case closed.
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also, yes, you are allowed to defend yourself against a person commiting a violent act toward you, which can be considered a wrong doing or a sin,
well, thank you for that admission (btw, there is no concept of "sin" in the law, as that is a religious construct, not a legal one.)
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but if im not mistaken, which im not,
yes you are, lots of times including now.
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the unborn are unable to commit a violent act and are innocent, or born without sin or wrongs.
nonsense. It is as much committing assault as does a parasite which we remove without qualms. Your silly irrelevant claims about "sin" have no bearing here.
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thats why! That was an exceptionally dim-witted analogy.
the analogy was good, but your answer was exceptionally dim-witted.
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steen

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Posted: 12-02-04 23:43pm

briz77 wrote:
people often ask the question "when does an embryo or fetus become human?" this is an important question, as the killing of a human is homicide.
another misrepresentation. The illegal killing of a person is homicide. Otherwise, f.Ex. Capital punishment is homicide. Now, m* is a legal term, and as such, the legal definition is what matters.
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fetuses and embryos actually are biologically complete individual humans from the moment of conception.
what an utter and complete lie.
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however during the pregnancy fetuses develop in the human form.
and so what?
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development occurs much more rapidly than most people realize, and the fetus eventually gains the ability to live without its mother during the late second trimester.
ah, so you are saying that you only object to abortions after this stage?
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