Everyone has bad days - but - it sounds as if you're having alot of them. Have you considered whether maybe you're in the wrong sort of job for you?? Also perhaps you should talk to friends who work & see what their experiences are - what you talk about here is perfectly normal - senior staff are often moved when new staff start. Or maybe your work isn't satisfactory & that's why you're being moved??

As to you getting a weekend job, at 21 I agree you should be having fun on the weekends - unless of course you are in great debt or need to save alot of money for some reason??

Why don't you go sing if thats what you want to do more than anything? Right now it may be hard to get where you want to be. But calm down, talk a deep breath, brush off the negative thoughts and think about the positives, and, most of all, put things into perspective. Then you gotta walk the talk and do the thing that you love most. Sing.

It's not easy. But nothing is ever a piece of cake. Or is it? For calm people...Yes, it is.

You all should be warned that aside from a nicely designed web site,
vanessa doesn't have much else to offer you at this time. All she does is
to try to persuade you to pay some money for something that has no
clinical value. Every product whose marketing is based only on indivi-
dual (that you don't know) testimonials and does not have positive
findings backed up by serious clinical trials (fda approved) are worthless.
I am not sure if they have a money back guaranted clause, but I would
be very carefull about it. In fact, if I buy and use their product, I would
instruct in advance (in writing) my family to sue that company for
damages on my behalf in case that something happens to me or I
become incapaciated in some way in the future.

Vanessa,
i didn't credited you for designing the web site, but rather for mentioning
a web site that also offers commercial products for people that may never
have a chance to recover their money back.

The stress related in this thread seems harmless since it is more
personality or contextual based rather than the clinical anxiety that
most of the users in this forum are complaining about. Same thing
applies for you kind of past stress and problems. If this is your expertise,
why don't you go to the stress forum and leave the people from the
clinical anxiety forum (such as this one) alone from your misleading
explanations. If you really want to be supportive in this forum stick
with this mission, but abstain yourself from giving pseudo-medical and psychiatric explanations (somehow it's hard to distinguish between them)
for already well studied cardiovascular events.

You don't have to explain to anybody how to breathe, this is a human
instinct like many others that psychiatry tries to make them cognitive
dependent. Breathing is normally regulated by a series of processes in
your body, including the co2 concentration in your blood stream and
cardiac activity. This is why you cannot keep your breath away too much.
Breathing just as cardiac and pulmonary activity are not regulated by the
brain, period.
As of your advice about breathing in a paper bag it may have become
a little bit outdated by reading recent research.

You are saying that I have nothing to offer besides criticism? I am sorry
to inform you that nobody has anything to offer that makes a real
contribution. Maybe just a bit of truth even if it hurts.

But make no mistake, if you were too busy to notice my only criticism
is not against the patients, not even against the doctors that are
lying and conterfeiting medical records with the law on their side.
My criticism is against a profession that cannot reform itself from within
and it is my opinion that it should be forced from outside by empowering
the patients with knowledge about what is actually going on.

Otherwise, they will always be like lambs that are going to the slaughter
house under the fake smiling faces of the doctors.
They say that it is not the task of medicine to relieve the patients from
pain even if this is intractable with all the medication in the world.
Maybe this is how are the doctors defining their profession, but again
who gives the moral permission to touch, restrain or pretend that they
treat these kind of patients?
In the past they were demonized and tortured and now with all this
modern science they are still insulting these patients that they are
mentally ill. Patients that go into cardiogenic and toxic shock are
abusively labelled mentally ill and the pain management is usually
withold because it can aggravate things even more.
In the mean time, the whole society is going ahead like nothing happens.
We should give a round of applause to the our great benefactors,
called psychiatrists, for hidding these horrors from us. We may have a
date tomorrow evening and god forbid, we don't want to have any
wrinkles on our forehead!

There is a vicious cycle of suffering, deception, and paper and plastic
morality that is entertained by the medical profession, the churches and
government agencies that needs to be broken.
Do you think that any of the individuals from the above parties with
knowledge and decisional power will listen to your soothing postings and have the guts to shake hands with the commiting psychiatrist? I don't think so because they know what follows through from that point.
Until I see such a brave person I think that the patients need to know the
truth (that some if not most the young anxiety sufferers will become
crazy) that is being hidden by them. No healthy person has the write to preach about morality in these cases. Am I clear enough about it?

And by the way, maybe we should do some activity that monitors what
happens with certain anxiety sufferers. People may not notice, but
sometimes the silence of some of the once regular members is speaking
volumes?
I also want to hear more from bigman16, sherrydenice, etc, just to make
sure that they are still ok? Anybody has anything against this?
I am not sure about you, but my heart shrinks when I think about them.

vsokolov.
In regards to your response (to all involved) I can only say one thing. Bravo !!!! You have preciously listed the facts, theories, assumptions, guesses, etc. Etc. Etc. In regards to the question posted. Your answers challenge the poster to delve into their own true feelings to help supply the solution to their question / problem. This webpage should be truly honored to have a person like you to contribute. I salute you madam or sir!

Broken - enough with the brown nosing or are you actually vsokolov??!!

Vsokolov - perhaps you could get down off your soap box long enough to see that you are not here to be the sole arbiter of what is the right/appropriate advice - that's why it's a forum - so that people who pose questions, need to vent etc can hopefully get multiple views.

As to your contention that a person does not need to be told how to breathe - that just shows how little you really know - as babies we breathe correctly (tummy rises as we breathe in) as we grow we stop breathing correctly & our chest rises as we breathe in thereby causing less air to get into our lungs & when we're stress much less panicking this creates an added level of problem is not a serious problem because we need oxygen - so when stressed, trying to relax/calm down or when having a panic/anxiety attack we need to klnow how to breathe correctly as doing so will help us get through the situation.

If you ever did yoga, relaxation or meditation you should have been taught how to breathe properly as doing so will help you become more relaxed overall & hence better able to cope.

Like vanessa I also feel that your wording tended to credit her with the website & with ownership of the products - this latter I still feel to be the case even after re-reading.

As to your arrogance in diagnosing that people aren't suffering clinical anxiety - how dare you - who gave you the right to diagnose anyone here - especially based on so little information - on a site such as this there's a ton of information we do not have so keep your diagnoses to yourself - even if you were a dr you have no right to assume that you know what anyone here is or is not suffering from or that one person is suffering less than another or has more right to be on this forum than others. Take your own advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you really want to be supportive in this forum stick
with this mission, but abstain yourself from giving pseudo-medical and psychiatric explanations (somehow it's hard to distinguish between them)

your final thoughts re certain posters on this forum & about the medical community failing society I totally agree with!!!!!!!!!!!

Purple333,
re-read my posting and you will see that I actually said that this
is a clinical anxiety forum, which I define as people with physical
symptoms that have been diagnosed as having anxiety. I wanted
to make a distinction from the transient anxiety caused by the
stress in our lifes.
People with clinical anxiety have physical problems and their cause
is physical. This is where we disagree.
Also, breathing is automatic even for a person in a coma, when the
brain has no cognitive functioning to command the lungs and heart.

Vanessa30,
you will be surprised, but I do care much more than you for what
happens to the people with clinical anxiety.
You are saying that my "theories" are cruel, even just by saying them.
The thing is that the cruelty comes from the way these patients are
treated by the doctors which will never reform themselves, especially
the psychiatrists. They are saying that it is not their bussiness how these
patients feel once they come to their hands.
The pain is cruel only if the persons responsible for the patients do not
do everything to stop it. So don't blame the one that talks about it,
and alerts the patients that there are some special psychiatrists involved
hidding vulnerable and suffering patients from the society's sight.
Are you, vanessa, one of those people afraid that they will loose their
job if more about the cardio-vascular complications emerge into the
public?
Do we have to go into the details about the rights of these
patients, and the laws about human experimentation on these patients?
Do you think that the sympathy is a professional feature of this kind
of doctors? Well, I have bad news, everything is allowed: lying, cheating,
restraining, denying civil rights, performing human experimentation or
basic research. Even treatment with dignity of these patients is not
considered a must.
Therefore, vanessa and your friends, I think that you have a lot
to do to reform you broken professions.

Take care.

Vsokolov,

i could read your post till my burial & it wouldn't change the reality that you're wrong - if ehealth wanted this to be a purely clinical anxiety forum they would say that but the heading only says anxiety & stress (stress can by the way be non-clinical - while both issues can be & are clinical long before diagnosis - a person coming to this forum for help etc isn't going to say (nor should they) ge I haven't been diagnosed by a dr as suffering clinical depresion or anxiety so i'd bettre go & get dianosed so that I can seek help!!!! Get real!!!!

Then too while you may want to make a distinction between clinical & transient anxiety - just who are you to make that decision for others??!! A person may appear to us (on the net!!) as transient etc but that doesn't make it so - plus a person can start out with a transient problem which can then develop into a clinical problem.

And again I ask who are you to decide especially in an on-line forum that a person doesn't have the right sort of problem to post here??!!

There's a difference - a big one - between breathing correctly & merely breathing & when it comes to dealing with stress & anxiety it's also an important one & it does need to be taught & understood so that we can help ourselves to deal with, even overcome stress & anxiety.

As to your soapbox re drs, treatment of patients, experimentation etc - while I totally agree with the fact that all this happens & is wrong & needs to be exposed & people need to be educated - could you do it with less rudeness & less presumption that just because a erson seems to disagree they must be in league with these obscene drs.

Vanessa,
thanks for your concern, nobody abused me and I wish you the same
in return.
I didn't credited you as a web designed but just someone that is
advertising commercial web links (look at my previous postings).
It is a difference and I hope that you are able to understand it.

Also, you say that you are not a member of the medical/psychological
profession, but you filled "nurse" as your profession in your profile.
That makes you a liar, regardless when you did it.

Also, it is through deception and blank lies that you have banned the
gallos vilain. You had only minutes to find his postings, read them,
understand some concepts that have never been expressed or discussed
in this forum and way away from your specialty show them to your busy
on-call doctors friends, obtain a psychological profile and being able to
type the message to claim that the endothelium dysfunction and the
cardio-vascular complications of the so called "anxiety" are non-sense
and ban one of the members from this forum.

You lied that you did all these, because you had no time to do it. Period.
I guess that should give you some credit, and people should trust you
and what you are saying.

You are also attributing to me that I said that patients without a brain (?!)
can still breathe autonomously. Sorry to inform you, vanessa, people
without brain do not have a medical condition but a state called death
and they are not called patients anymore.
It's so hard for you to understand that and stop putting words in my
mouth? Or maybe I don't get it yet, that there is somebody that is
already doing such reasearch? But what do I know?

I also have presiously said that the initial question in this thread (work
stress) is not related to any serious condition that I was describing. Simply, removing the social, professional, etc stressor is enough.
For such cases which pertain to the popular understanding of stress we
don't have to worry.

But we do have to worry about people that are deceiving and trapping
the patients that mostly affected by congenital vascular problems.
The reason is that there are medical entities that are doing basic
research (including genetic) and in their scientific greed they put these
patients to go literally through hell while they are still defined as living
people.

If you think that someone should seek professional help (do you have
any cognitive therapies available for such cases, vanessa?) because
they want to stop these atrocities for people defined as "poor prognosis" patients done by the medical science for easy research, maybe i
do have to see somebody.
Ever heard about hypotension and its complications (just look at
the more mediatized case of yasser arafat) when doctors pretend that
they are actually treating drug resistant depression or unknown and
secret medical conditions? They may have to be more carefull for famous
people, but the little guy has no chance.

You claim that people seeking help on this forum may be harmed.
I didn't hear a single case when somebody was contaminated with a
cardio-vascular condition from reading about it.
However, the patients with these real conditions may be interested
to hear about them so that they will be able to act acording to their
best interests. It is my opinion that their best interests should be
defined by themselves with all the facts on the table and not by some
self-appointed people like you, vanessa, or other "moral and ethics"
entities.

However, it is my opinion that in the meantime these patients should
be warned by their ultimate poor prognosis and that maybe they have
to emigrate to countries more sympathetic with human suffering like
netherlands, that by the way legalized euthanasia.

Sincerely yours.

Purple 333...As they say down your way, you can kiss my arse. I am not vsokolov..And I am not "brown nosing". After being in the health care field for over 27 years at a very large hospital, I agree with many of the observations, etc. That vsokolov has presented. Enough said, we are both entitled too our opinions. I do not wish to continue an onslaught of insults between us. You are entitled to your opinions and I mine. I respect your view point. I was merely thanking vsokolov for a very (in my opinion) intelligent response to the question posted. I am sorry if my response offended you, but, it didn't deserve the snide comment.

Broken, 27 years in health care at a large hospital - perhaps as a cleaner!! & your comment to & re vsokolov >>>

this webpage should be truly honored to have a person like you to contribute. I salute you madam or sir! <<<<

this is smarmy brown nosing if ever there was!!!!

Vanessa,
so you are just a social worker that is not qualified in medicine as you
put it, but you are up to date to the latest developments of the
endothelium dysfunction in order to make split second decisions about
its medical and clinical significance and banning people from this forum.
Congratulations, I guess your spare time research is showing its results
in your erudition

i said that breathing is not a cognitive function of the brain even if
you can influence it with your will and cognitive function. Your breathing
exercises that you describe are a palleative measures that may work for
awhile but they only compensate a pulmonary deficiency and certain
cardio-vascular events. They are not restoring a so called cognitive deficiency in these patients. I think that I am clear enough.


On the contrary to what it has been said by you, the last collapse of arafat that I have heard off was due to a significant blood pressure drop,
which is what hypotension is all about.

You never heard of 'drug resistant depression' in arafat's case because
his real diagnostic is still a secret (of course, if you consider my
warped theories, sic). I mentioned about it just because this is the
psychiatric term for hypotension collapse, not because I agree with
it.

It has also been reported that arafat went viollently ill once (while
in ramallah) and that his mental status was being questioned (while in
paris). His diarrhea that was reported is also an indication of one of
the cluster symptoms that are present at vascular colapse. The
scientific term is 'inflammatory bowel syndrome' and it is caused by
arterial insufficiency and endothelium dysfunction.



As for the coma that you mention, it is a reversible coma (see the
reports) or sub-coma which was probably being induced by the doctors
in order to keep the patient's state under control.

The problem is that from hypotension, even a severe one, the patient
doesn't die. This is the human tragedy that you and your kind are trying
to keep it under wraps.



I am discussing these problems in this forum, because the doctors are
sending these patients away from them with the anxiety label.

When you and the medical profession will stop mislabelling congestive
heart failure with anxiety I will go away.

Purple 333....Feel better now ??? Anyone that post over 1300 messages in a 10 month period obviously has nothing better to do with their life then sit in front a a computer screen. Don't bother responding...I have removed my self from this list. I had hoped to find people here that were capable of helping other people with their support, or at least honest, answers / suggestions to their problems...But it seems there are more "persons" like you willing to "flame" anybody that doesn't agree with their opinion, and when questioned, become defensive and go on the attack...As far as your comment about my being a "cleaner" in the hospital, if it makes you feel happy,thinking of me in that job...Go for it.
Do your parents know you stay up this late to "chat" on the computer ???

As a parent & an older one at that a question re do my parents know I stay up late on the net is a real complment so thanks. As to over 1300 posts in 12 months that equates to just over 100 a month orsay 28 a week or 4 a day>> not alot when put like that.

This whole topic however is now totally off topic & irrelevant how about we stop or get back on topic - which doesn't include discussions of arafat's health (i'm sure there are political forums for that). As to broken's departure - well I guess I won't get any more compliments - oh & my children let me stay up late as it means they can be on-line during "normal" hours!!

Well, after you showed us how to breathe, now you show us how to think.


However, this problem of anxiety with disturbing symptoms downplayed
by doctors is something that requires more

it's true, it matters what you have to accomplish: to preserve the
dignity of a person and her wishes or to preserve by all means the purity
of a doctrine that leads to not so pure results.

I am certain that in your profession you get a lot of reassurance that
your work is worthwhile, but mind you the only thing that allows you to
look these patients in their eyes is that they are not knowing who you,
the robot, and your experts are in fact.


Good luck to you in your continuing professional and self improvement
endeavour.

Could we please get back to the topic - always assuming anyone remembers - if you don't or if there's nothing more to say on the topic let's just end this rant.

Work stress!!!!!!!!!!!!! I use to be a shy gal! I've been at my job for almost 6 years talk about stress.... I am very opionated now I tell everyone how I feel and what I think. I just have a I don't care attitude. Stress is very hard on your body and I don't want it anymore even though I still get stressed. You just need to tell people what you feel or think it will make you feel better.. And if thats not any better I would suggest a job change.