theres no need for that. i was merely poitning out that a lot of the cereals you were talkign abotu arnt very good for yo and muesli is considered by a lot of people, nutriionsts etc as a healthy thing to eat for breakfast as in general it is a healhty and beenficial food for a 'normal' person. and yeh its true that wahts good for a 'normal' person mite not be good for us with our noises but i can see absolutly no reason why eating a sugary cerasl would help my noises. and like ive said i eat enough sugary cerael to know its no help to my noises.
and youre talking like i have a diet of muesli whcih im sticking to, i know exact;y what happens when i dont eat museli it makes no difference. and youre exaclty right our problem isnt black and white or easy to cure... thats exactly why it takes more than changing the ceral you eat for breakfasT!
if you arnt willing to accept other people opninions on what is considered healthy eating then youre going to have a hard time trying to help your noises
p.s whats the edge?

thanks Irishlad!
I agree, it seems to be mostly psychological because if I don't get nervous then it doesn't happen.Obviously if it's happening a lot to someone for no reason then there must be more to it though. Poor you,you can't eat ice cream!

I don't find that what I eat affects the noises, so am not sure if I should be cutting out or avoiding certain foods.I eat pretty much everything and it's still fine.It's just those damn nerves that cause it for me.Everyone gets nervous at some stage but they don't all get that. why us???

Speaking of food though,after a big family meal over Christmas,the next day I felt so bad! I was at work and my stomach hurt and kept making noises which seemed to be 100 times worse than when I just feel nervous.I had no control over it at all and eventually I went home early because I couldn't stay there any longer & my colleague started to notice I was getting flustered and couldn't sit still haha.
So ever since then I've had to be careful to not eat too much at those kind of gatherings,as I am scared that will happen again. I'm not sure if it's the food,or the amount..maybe my stomach can't handle being too full and reacts later? everyone overeats at christmas though! The food was quite rich though,so it was probably that too.

I can't see how we will ever overcome this if it's psychological..you can't stop yourself from getting nervous,even if you try to relax..I can't.

You came across as quite aggressive then you naughty irishlad! I totally get where both you and HW are comming from though. This whole thing is very frustrating and we've got a real mix of people , some who are up for trying anything to see if it helps and some who have already done everything and are now getting really peed off with it all.

HW, i think part of this battle is keeping strong and positve. I struggle so much more when i'm down and it's all getting on top of me. When im happy and positve the noises don't seem half as scary so maybe getting ontop of any anxiety/depression is a step in the right direction. I don't see any halm in taking anti depressants if that's what your gp suggests.

Im sorry the results didn't come back with anything you could work on. Amaemia would be so easy to solve but don't give up hope, you're heading in the right direction!!

Welcome bunny. For me, this is mainly physical as the noises happen anytime, anywhere regardless of how anxious i am. There's probably alot of help to be found if your noises are psycological though eg, cognitive behaviour therapy, mediation etc. definatly a route for you to look down.

I just wanted to jump in here and throw something else out there that I think is important...

My noises were almost 100 % psychological a few years ago. I would only get them in quiet situations where I would get really nervous (i.e.. a quiet classroom). They would NEVER affect me outside of the classroom environment. I could go to the movies, sit in a dead silent living room, go to a quiet theater to watch a play, sit in church, etc. I can distinctly remember being able to sit in a quiet bedroom with my girlfriend and be able to have a normal conversation without my stomach making noises.

However, around October of 2006, I had some pretty bad lower abdomen pain. I didnt want to risk anything so I went to the E.R. They gave me flagyl and cipro and I have never been the same since. Now I get the noises ALL the time. And whats worse, is that I now get them from what seems like all over my intestines. I'm sure you all know what im talking about.

Anyway, I think this tells me that this is indeed some sort of bacterial/flora imbalance. I think that along with killing bad bacteria, the cipro and flagyl destroyed my good bacteria and my body has never been able to find the balance since.

What if what the doctors say is correct? Not one of us actually has a physical cause to these noises that we have found to date, and just about every doctor that we have gone to came back with the same diagnosis...IBS. I know that IBS is a broad term that covers many symptoms, although I really doubt that we have something that can be "cured" with some pill. The thing that convinces me towards the IBS idea is that the noises mostly come when we are stressed out. I can't think of any bacteria or disease that can present symptoms so quickly and then go away.

The only thing that I can think of is to take some anti anxiety medication to reduce the amount of stress that we get in some situations. Also, I have begun to take my anti-spasmodic medication in the hopes that if I get nervous then my intestines won't go crazy.

Hey Dudes,

Just checking in with my fellow bubbly people. I want to comment on a few things too.

For me the noises aren't caused by anxiety, I get anxious when I hear the noises though. I do agree though that being anxious can make the noise worse, I think partly because of tensing the stomach muscles when anxious.

I agree with what one of you said about treating the anxiety and stress. I think that its a good idea to prioritise alleviating the emotional distress caused by this problem because that really is the worst part of it...in my opinion. It seems like many of us here are fairly anxious and stress prone people, obviously stress isn't good for our health. I also believe that my tendency to anxiety and emotional stress has contributed a lot to me developing these intestinal problems and I don't think being stressed about it is going to help.

Try to keep things in perspective, you are not a bad person because of this, you shouldn't have to hide it or be ashamed, there are worse things we could do than have noisy stomachs, lol. I know many of you here are trying very hard to help yourselves with this problem and you should give yourselves a break sometimes you know. I used to beat myself up about it like I was somehow 'causing' it to happen but I after a while I realised that it really isn't in my direct control and when it comes to things you can't control it best for your own health and sanity to accept it than drive yourself crazy trying to get a handle on it.

Something else I sense is that some of us seem to have difficulty asking other people for help with our problem/s. I notice a few people mentioned earlier on that no one knows about their stomach issues, not even family. If so I can relate to that and I think it has a lot to do with the tendency to anxiety and chronic stress. I read once in a information sheet on IBS treatment that it was important to not keep it a secret or hide the problem. Its important to have a good support network, I find it makes a world of difference when you do.

Irish lad commented a few times on the long-term effects of doing certain things. I think he's right, what you eat today might not make a big difference tomorrow, but if you make a longterm plan and stick to it you are more likely to succeed. Don't get frustrated and give up right away, we developed these problems over time and it will take time to see improvements.

I am pretty convinced that candida/flora imbalance and gallstones are main factors in my stomach noises. I have been on a sugar free diet for a few weeks now, also on a immune tonic program which includes taking herbs etc. and I am definately feeling better. I would sometimes get extremely depressed when I had sugar in my diet and now I notice that I have become stable emotionally, no deep lows, my anxiety levels have improved dramatically too and my stomach is generally better, much less gas and at the moment less noise, though it varies over time. Generally though I somehow just feel better all round and think I am going to see improvements in the noises over time as I continue to do what I'm doing.

Though I don't think these noises are psychological, I do believe that over the long-term poor emotional health can help create these problems and certain emotions may be more connected to certain organs in our bodies than others. I read this really interesting article about how anxiety may cause gallstones. (http://www.gsu.edu/2201.html) Its interesting because I've also real that gallstones and alterations in gallbladder motility often underlie IBS symptoms.

Anyway hope you're all doing okay, will update any improvements I have

Saskia

Minor input on the stress issue that we are discussing again:

We all agree that stress is a large factor (some more than others).

However, I think for those of you who consider stress to be purely psychological, you may want to check up on that. irishlad, you mentioned how stress is dangerous, and yes it can kill. Which is your flaw in argument. Stress is registered in the human brain as a physical ailment. Mental stress relates itself to the body, causing... well almost anything you can imagine: from heart arrest to joint pain, to our stomach issues to anxiety which goes back to heart, etc. I know someone along these recent posts mentioned the anxiety meds ... that, while we all know the risks of drugs, is a more accurate interpretation of stress. It's all hormones and chemicals that will screw up your engine so badly, so to speak with the analogy.

I don't intend to sound condescending, and I'm sure some of you feel that I'm being redundant with what we have all said... my point was meant to be that we should continue to acknowledge this stress as a physical injury to our bodies, which is still similar to what Irishlad said. There is no point in dividing this into mental of physical, they are one in the same. (My analogy is this: when someone hurts you emotionally or mentally... the pain is registered in the same part of the brain as physical pain) It's a stressor.

I say this because I'm afraid to see any of you blow this off as an irreparable mental deficit. If we can keep incorporating this as ANOTHER physical symptom (as it will have symptoms of it's own) then I think we'll be closer to finding a physical cure. I also say this because of my own experience with it. The stress came with the noises, which as everyone, and Saskia just said, knows exacerbates them. However, with my story (which, by the way, Hello Bunny!, mine started in school as well, before my college) it began with:
1) 5 years of antibiotics that anyone knows is pure idiocy and vanity
2) 7 years of birth control
3) 10 years of unhealthy junkfood habits and
4) and a dangerous intake of sugar running close to diabetes

I'm afraid to say Irishlad, but i feel that there aren't a whole lot of us on here that truly are exceptionally healthy.

On a lighter note.. I'm glad you found the forum Bunny, always good for new information! HW, so great for your blood tests... while they didn't find anything, that's still a step forward because now you can eliminate.
And Coast, it was when I started to get the paints and physical feelings with the noises that I began to look for help ...

Anyway, I'm sorry this was so long, I haven't been on in a while, but good to hear everyone's stories still. Hope everyone is having a decent summer and good job to those of you who are still trying

I've experienced this problem for 20 years and it has caused me to become a very solitary person. I've wanted to quit my job but I know I can't because I have a husband and 3 children to help support. I've tried everything, doctors (who don't have a clue and think I'm a total nut case), over the counter medicines and lots of other things. My problem started when I was about 14 or 15 years old. I have learned over the years that this is definitely a psychological -vs- physical problem and things have only gotten worse for me. I have missed out on a normal life I feel like as this runs my life every waking hour. I am currently on anxiety medications which really do nothing for me. I almost have panic attacks when there are "meetings" at work as I do everything possible to get out of them or just call in sick that day. Do you realize how many situations in your adult life involve "quiet situations"? I SURE DO!!! I no longer attend church or pursue promotions at work (as this would require more "meetings"). I even had an episode at a funeral... sometimes I think God is punishing me or something. For now, I'm handling meetings by taking some OTC Meds for gas about an hour before a meeting then about 15 min before I take some Beano then I have those gas strips you put on your tongue for during the meeting... and all the while I have my cell phone as my last resort back-up for an excuse to leave the meeting. HELP!

Hello all. I really am so glad that i am not alone with this problem. Two exams down and three to go. I haven't really had much of a chance to worry about the questions on the paper as i have been so pre-occupied with praying for my stomach to behave and keep quiet! The second exam went ok, but i did have noises for the first hour of the first exam. Luckily i had managed to sit by the door and had no-one behind me either, plus i had taken a coat with me which i draped over my lap and used to stifle the noises. I also take a bottle of water and some snacks in with me just incase i get hungry and my belly starts rumbling. I have to be so careful to get the balance right - not to get hungry as that would give off loud hunger grumbles, but not to eat anything which might set off the gurgling/whining/popping either! What a nightmare!

I have noticed that a lot of my noises do emanate from the left side of my body, and i remeber some other people on here mentioning this a while back. Strange.

Irish lad - i have the same problems with ice cream, as i think i mentioned a few days ago. I wonder what it is about ice cream?

I see that the physical v psychological debate has come up again. For myself personally, i really don't think that the noises are brought on by anxiety (although it certainly doesn't help), as most of my noise attacks have happened when i have been at home or in places where i do not need to worry about the noise. Although, like Saskia, i do get anxious when the noises start and i am in a quiet situation.

HW - i'm sorry to hear that you're having such a tough time with it all. I really hope that the doctors can help you in some way. After being told twice that my problems are caused by IBS i have given up with medical help for the time being and am concentrating more on the healthy eating and the possibilty of candida overgrowth. I have to say, since reducing the amount of sugary and fermented foods in my diet my stomach has been a lot better on the whole, so i will stick with it and hope for the best.

P.S. I have noticed my boyfriend's stomach making the same sort of noises that we describe, and it is happening more frequently lately. They have even woken me up in the night, and are especially bad after we eat ice cream! I think that more people have this "problem" than we realise - only it isn't a problem for everyone.

thanks welsh girl. i went backl to the doc today.
she seemed to dismiss everything i said, she thinks the tiredness and physical symptoms are a result of my anxiety and depression and has put me on anti depressents. when infact my physical problems started long before the anxiety and depression, they came becasue i was feeling so down about feeling so ill for so long.
i mentioned low b12 and she said she didnt think id have it becasue my blood count results were fine. i also said id like to get my hormones tested becasue theyve always been heavy and painful ( im on the pill no so theyre better but starting to get heavier again and i spot in between) and she said my hormones wouldnt be casuing my physical symptoms and theyd be consistent anyway becasue of the pill. she wants to discuss changing types of the pill on my next visit.
the only thing she was willing to say i mite have was post viral fatigue. but it didnt sudeelny start after a virus, this is a gradul thing over years.
i was told all my results were fine, but my ceoliac results havnt come back yet so im still waiting for that.

so, im giving the anti depressants a go and going back in 3 weeks, if theyve magically made all my physical illnesses go away the the doctors right, but if the much more likely scenario of me going back in 3 weeks and still feeling as ill as i do now then welll... im right. and ill have to fight for some more tests.

its so frustrating feeling this ill and knowing there is something casuing it, but no one beliveing me and nothing i can do to make myself better. she also said the anti depressants are likely to make me feel worse fo r a few weeks, give me headaches and make me feel sick and make my stomach worse. but itll be interesting to see if taking them has any effect on the noises.

HW - you poor thing! Doctors just seem want to give us pills and send us on our way instead of investigating the real problems. I know that they have the medical knowledge, training and experience, but they should listen a little more to - after all, a patient should know what is 'normal' for them and what isn't. Don't give up hope though, and let us know how you get on with the anti-depressants. I hope that you start feeling a little better soon.

P.S. My stomach kept quite for a whole 2 hours during my exam today! First time! Was a little noisy when i got up, and again tonight, but that's nothing out of the ordinary. It really is the bane of my life. Please go away!

I think I’ve got an answer for you.

One reason for trapped gas is your food not being properly or fully digested at the best part of your digestive system. After you eat food it needs to hang out in the stomach and upper intestines for a while. If the food is still being digested in the lower intestine you are going to have a bad time. You will hear a lot of gurgling and gas bubbles will be floating around all over the place.

This is what you need to do I think:

1) Don’t go to the toilet too much!! This will encourage partially undigested food to progress too quickly in your digestive tract. Pretty much once a day should be good enough. A few hours after waking up is a good time often. This is the best single suggestion I have. Although it is almost counterintuitive because as soon as undigested food is hanging out in the lower intestines expelling it does seem like the thing to do and does bring temporary relief.

2) Then you should try to eat only during meal times (say 9am 1pm 6pm) and then give it a break for the rest of the time.

3) And then a bunch of little hints are important like don’t eat too much, and yogurt helps complete digestion, and junk food maybe isn’t good for you, and stuff like that.

I hope this helps!

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caca means doing a poo or having a bowel movement.

HW - I had/have had the same trouble with doctors, its really frustrating when you're sick and the person that is supposed to be helping you is not really listening and even dismissing what you say. Makes me infuriated just thinking about it. But without getting too worked up about it, I just wanted to offer my understanding.

About 5 years ago I reached a point where I had digestive problems and fatigue that had become debilitating, as well as frequent violent attacks of pain which would leave me writhing in agony for up to 18 hours. I was in such a poor state and so confused and panicked because I didn't know how to help myself, or even have the energy to help myself.

Of course I trusted my doctor and believed that they would help me. Now in retrospect I am amazed at the incompetent manner in which doctors handled my condition. One of the biggest problems I found was that doctors would blatantly ignore what I was telling them. I was horrified when my doctor completely twisted my words to fit the diagnosis she wanted to give me. For instance I was repeatedly told, or even 'convinced' is a better word, that the pain I was experiencing in my abdomen was heartburn and I needed antacids. I saw my doctor one morning after being in pain for 6 hours, I could hardly drive to the medical centre. I went in and she told me I had heartburn and needed an antacid and would be fine in an hour.

Another 5 hours later lying in my room in so much pain I had vomited on the floor, I called her back and told her I was still in pain, she said, just give it another hour. Anyway I ended up the emergency ward 5 hours later where they confused me even more. After screaming and crying for hours from the pain I was given morphine, which took the edge off but didn't take the pain away. They did an X-ray and told me the pain was just because I was constipated and "if you were having a gallbladder attack believe me you would know". Well apparently I didn't know.

It took me 3 years of suffering these attacks and thinking I was constipated, to do about 5 minutes of research on the internet and work out myself that I had gallstones, no medical degree required. And it wasn't until I went to the doctor and requested an ultrasound that anyone (family included) believed me.

I relate also to what you said about the depression and anxiety being caused by how you feel about your physical condition not the other way around. I had the same problem, from both my doctors and from family telling me I just depressed. Well its pretty easy to get down sometimes when you're 21 and find yourself in so much discomfort and pain every night that you're physically and emotionally exhausted, have no energy to go out and see friends and your family is attacking you and questioning everything you say about how you feel.

My doctor even betrayed my privacy and discussed me during an appointment with my mother, deciding to organise a psychiatric assessment for me against my knowledge or consent. I was so shocked and hurt that my mother trusted this doctor over her own daughter. She point blank refused to discuss it with me, just came home one day and said I was going to a psychiatrist no questions. Funny the psychiatrist even accused me of lying about my physical condition.

Because of all that I've come to believe that no matter who you consult with for help with your health, be it a doctor, a psychologist or a naturopath etc., one of the keys to your success is the type of relationship you develop with that person. It needs to be someone who can listen to you respectfully, is emotionally supportive and is willing to work WITH you on your terms not theirs.

I seldom ever see doctors now but if I do I am very assertive, I tell them what I want point blank. I think its a good idea to shop around for a doctor you can work with, for your own sanity.

Best wishes to you Help wanted... and personally I think you would be better off seeing a naturopath for your particular condition, doctors really are limited when it comes to this sort of thing, its not really their area of expertise. Just my opinion.

xx Saskia

sclause82, what you have said makes sense to me. Are you speaking from experience?

I digest food very quickly but very poorly however, i only go 'caca' once a day, first thing in the morning but this is the only time i get any relief from the noises.

Does anyone know how we could slow the transit of food?

I can physically feel it, either immediately or 20mins after eating, the noises, gas poping etc start in my lower abdomen when really if you think about it, the food shouldn't be there get. It should be digesting high up in the stomach.

Saskia, your story really gave me chills. Currently I am 21 years old and know exactly what you are going through. When this problem started for me 2 years ago, I decided that I could not live with all of the pain and embarrassment, so I went to a doctor. Before I made an appointment I told a close friend about this who is a doctor, and surprise surprise, she thought that it was all in my head, but because I insisted, she made an appointment for me.

I was lucky enough to have a doctor who seemed interested in what I had to say, and over time he ran many tests (multiple blood tests, endoscopy, colonoscopy), and he found nothing. Diagnosis IBS. I was happy that I had the courage to do all that I could, but now the problem is a lot worse and no one cares. At this point I don't even bother to mention any of the things that I go through. My parents and my brothers think that I no longer have this problem. Now I have zero access to doctors and any support networks (except for you guys and gals).

Even though IBS is such a broad diagnosis, it can be related to what we are going through. I am interested in what sclause82 said about us not properly digesting our food. I will try to research that this week.

I suggest that the next time one of us go to the doctors, you ask as many questions as you can about IBS, because that is the only diagnosis that we will get. One day I will go back to the doctors, and when that time comes, I will ask for some radical IBS drug that just might help and also something that would help take the edge off (like an anti-depressant) when I am freaking out, because that is when the noises come.

sclause82 - thanks for that suggestion. I have also noticed that the noises start up quite soon after eating something 'bad'. I empty my bowels once a day, usually first thing in the morning, otherwise my tummy would be too noisy for me to leave the house! My doctor told me that the type of 'IBS' i have means that my digestive system works overtime (as opposed to the constipated version where it all moves too slowly), and that the noises are causes by gases trapped as a result of spasms. Your theory could well be correct!

Hey Everybody,
Havent been on here for quite some time. Things really havent gotten all that much better...basically I have been eating mostly yogurt and it has helped but the second I try anything else my stomach goes bizzerk. After reading through about the whole digestion idea sclause suggested, an idea came to my mind. I had bought a medical symptoms book that basically shows you different conditions/disorders based on symptoms and one disorder I remembered was Gastroparesis, which is slowed/delayed stomach emptying which causes food to sit in your stomach longer that it should and thus build up gas. Perhaps this built up gas is what is causing our gurgling, bloating, discomfort and pain. It kinda makes sense. I don't know if this applies to everyone, as these symptoms are rather broad, which also makes the diagnosis of IBS understandable.

Also in comment to Coast---I remember reading somewhere that often some antibiotics can cause stomach problems--perhaps that is what may have caused your symptoms. Try researching antibiotics and stomach disorder/imbalances/gurgling.

Don't know if this helps, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Hope everyone is alright.

Hello,

I'm new to this forum, but I'm so glad that I found you. I've had this problem for 11 years now (it started a couple months after I got married and am now getting a divorce) and thought I was a freak. I thought that it must be all in my head since it only seemed to bother me in certain situations, the quiet ones that you're all talking about. Because it's happened before in those situations, I'd get more anxious and it'd happen. Of course there'd be no reason to be anxious since I knew the people there or I wouldn't have to speak or anything.

It was comforting to know that I'm not the only one debilitated by my gut. I've settled for not moving up in my career because I'd have to go to more meetings. I don't go to church because I don't want anyone to sit near me. Before interviews, I'm more worried about the noises my stomach might make than what I'm actually going to say. And now I've decided to go back to school to get back on my feet, and I'm terrified of having to sit through lectures and tests. I took a lot of Immodium when I had to go places, but it didn't help much. I'd also drink green tea, which did seem to calm my stomach a little.

I went to the doctor, and she diagnosed me with IBS without running any tests. I was put on Prilosec, which didn't help. I tried Lexapro, which only made me unable to orgasm and made me drink more alcohol. I tried vitamins and minerals, an expensive homeopath and an even more expensive hypnotherapist. I thought I had social anxiety since it happened in social situations. I guess it does happen when I'm alone, but it doesn't bother me then, so I don't notice it.

I finally went to a nutritionist a couple years ago who ran the saliva test. She said that I had candida and put me on a Parasite Cleanse, told me to cut out all kinds of foods I like (bread, mushrooms, soft cheeses, fruit, etc.), take psyllium powder and probiotics every day. I did that, and it did help. It helped for me to leave my husband (stress can aggravate it) because I started feeling better self-esteem-wise.

The divorce still isn't final, and we have a three-year-old son, so I'm having an immense amount of stress, not eating as well as I should and having no energy to exercise. Exercise does help my stomach because it increases endorphins, reduces stress and is generally good for you.

I wanted to post to let you know what worked for me, but also to say that you shouldn't just assume that you have IBS. I checked out a couple books from the library last week and found out that what is recommended to eat if you have IBS is the total opposite of what is recommended if you have candida. IBS people are told to eat simple carbohydrates, but that just feeds candida, if that's your problem.

I'm starting my regimen again to try to get rid of this thing. I'm taking digestive enzymes when I eat, eating lean meats, veggies, reducing the portion of rice and mixing brown with white (I can't cut out everything good), eating brown rice cakes instead of bread, no mushrooms or cheese, the only dairy will be good, plain yogurt (not Yoplait or those other kinds with tons of sugar), no alcohol, and taking psyllium every day. I got the parasite cleanse to take at the next full moon (June 1, and I'll take probiotics when I'm done with that. I'm also taking some colloidal silver (anti-fungal) and liquid multi-vitamin every day. I don't drink liquids with meals because I don't want to dilute my stomach juices. I only drink 1/4 glass before or after when taking the enzymes. I'm going to try to exercise 3 times per week.

My friend who's a nurse said that parasites are bull, but I told her that even if this is all a placebo, I don't care because it helped me the last time I did it. I'm just under so much stress now with all of the changes in my life (including getting laid off last July shortly after leaving my husband) that I need to be more proactive about doing something for my stomach.

I have to say, though, that my stomach has been better than it was before I left my husband, even despite all the stresses. I think it does have something to do with self-esteem. I was in a loveless marriage where he withheld affection, was condescending, and didn't treat me with respect. He wasn't outwardly terrible to me, which made it much harder for me to see. It was all the little things -- not asking if I wanted a drink when he got up to go to the fridge, putting his exercise before my needs, not telling me that I was pretty -- that added up and killed my spirit. I think this has a lot to do with how I felt physically. And it sounds like many of the other people on this forum are also Type A -- I'm very hard on myself, and my friends are always telling me to give myself a break. Think about how we talk to our bodies and our heads and how we'd never put up with that kind of talk if it came from someone else.

Sorry for such a long post. I'm so glad I've found you!

hi all, the posts about digestion being too quick makes some sense... it would explain why were always hungry a short time after eating and wy our stomachs go mad when we do eat and why (i) get undigested food in my stalls. anyone no anything about it?