hi matt, thanks for the advice. with regards ti the doctor im not sure about that becasue i dont want to talk to them about my stomachproblems so im worried that if i go about my anxiety heyll start askign questions and wont just give me something. i dont kno where your from but im not sure that they give out valium and stuff here thst easlily. also going to the doctor is very hard becseu of the anxiety, its a visious circle. i may go and say ive got anxiety from my sinus problems (partly true) and see what they say.

ill see what happens with my boss today, theres no way im telling him about the stomach problems but if it comes to it ill say i cant becasue of my anxeity.

i was hoping to find something nautrual to help with the anxiety but no one seems to have any suggestions

I think our problem is a combination of things and not just a single issue. I know for a fact that I have a gluten intolerence, because as soon as I eat it, the noises begin on cue. However, I'm also more and more convinced that my problem is because of abnormal acid levels.

I have a history of acid reflux, and over the past few years it has gotten worse. I too, think, there is a problem with the lining of the intestines due to acid production. I have this issue where, when I burp, I can actually FEEL the burp coming up from my intestines into my mouth and out. It's really weird. Not only that, but I can actually HEAR it coming up too. It's almost like a whining noise, similar to the ones we sometimes get from our lower intestines.
From what I understand, too much acid can also increase your gas production, which could emplain that aspect of our problem.
Anyway, I'm going to go to my doctor and describe some of these symptoms. I'm going to see if I can get some prescription strength Zantac like I had a few years ago.

P.S. THe fact that tums smoothies (and acid reducer which helps with acid indigestion) works so well for me is another indicator that it's definitely acid.

Ive been feeling a little better lately, as I have been able to go to class pretty well. I go to the gym alot, and I eat healthy. That combination my tums smoothies seems to get me through my day ok.

coast you should be carefuly with the tums, ive read that its very common for people to have acid reflux and digestive problems and for doctor ( or themsleves) to prescribe acid blockers and anti acids. and these may help slightly, but its far more common to suffer from too little stoach acid than too much, and in this case the anti acids will make it worse. thats why im doing the hcl test i posted about before, to see if i have too much or too little acid, and ive had no burnng or discomfort so ive pretty much eliminated too much acid and now need to keep on it to ssee if it makes me better in which case it was too little acid.
but youre rite i think it is a combination of thinks... i think i have low acid and candida and maye some form of stricture/back related aspect but im still very skeptical about that

Coast, go to the health food store and get PH Basic. This supplement neturalizes the stomach acid. If you have too little or too much, it will optomize it. Do a google search on it if you like. PH Basic is made by enzymedica. The bottle has free testing ph strips inside too so that you can check your ph levels. I paid about $17 for 60 capsules.

Hey whats up everyone,

I hope you guys are doing better. I have been taking my Pamine and I have to say that I feel much better. The only problem is when I eat Lactose items, but that's because I'm Lactose Intolerant. My doctor said that when he checked my blood he did not see a gluten intolerance. The weird part is that before taking these pills anytime I ate glutens or sugars my stomach would start with the noises. I was like coast and I thought I had an intolerance to glutens, but my doctor says I don't. I have only been taking these pills for a couple of days and I have to say they seem to work pretty well. I haven't been excercising, which I plan to start this week. I still try to eat somewhat of a healthy diet, but I have been eating pretty much anything I want with little stomach noises. The only time my stomach makes noises is after I eat foods that contain lactose and sometimes after some alcoholic beverages.

I interested in what you guys are writing about the PH levels and I will go to the store and check that out. I think I will also buy a box and see how that works.

My doctor said that sometimes taking drastic diets or supplements can make things worse, so he says it's best to try things short term and see how the affects are.

If you guys go to see your GI ask him/her about Pamine and see if they think you should take it. Well good luck everyone and I'll let you guys know how everything else is going.

Yeh I'd be inclined to agree with you guys about the pH levels etc. If it is the case that we have an acid/base imbalance, you'd have to ask why?

Is *that* a diet thing? I'm still going with an intolerance/allergy of some kind!

It will be interesting to see how those of you observing it will get on!

On the psychological side: Coast, after training/gyming etc. do you notice that for a while (a few hours) afterwards, you feel well and don't make as many noises? Is this just me? Interested to know. I feel as if I'm so tired from whatever I've done - I'm almost too tired to get worried/anxious about things. This is what I've noticed anyway. For instance, after a great work out, I could happily sit in the quietest waiting room and watch others come in and sit right beside me - because I suppose I'm sooo wrecked! If that was to happen normally with no training etc., I'd feel *very* conscious of the room and the quiet and it wouldn't be long before the noises then start I'm sure...
It's almost as if, after the workout, the body/brain is too busy repairing/rebuilding to be concerned with other things... Anyway that's what I seem to find - hence I keep telling everyone to try some fitness stuff!

Just throwing it out there!!

In response to Irishlad. Yes, the exact same thing happens to me most of the time. If I go for a long run or play a football match I don't have any problems during or after. I believe the reason is because exercise naturally relaxes the body including the digestive system and the mind.

Whether this problem is caused by food allergies, stomach acid or anything else it is pretty clear to me is that the noises happen when the intestines spasm in some way. The medication I take, Bentyl, is used to relax the intestines and it greatly reduces or stops these noises from happening. There is another problem for me in that even if I do take Bentyl, I worry so much about the problem happening that I go into a state of panic almost like a panic attack and this in turn causes my whole body to tense up and even with Bentyl the noises will then also happen to some extent. This is why I also need something to relax the mind and stop it from obsessing about the problem.

Exercise does both of these thing in a natural way.

In response to 'Help Wanted'. I think you are making a mistake in not going to your doctor and/or talking to your boss about this. The worst thing you can do for any psychologically related problem like this is to try to sweep it under the carpet. This will cause you to internalize the problem and make the psychological aspect of it much worse. I really hope you change your mind and decide to see your doctor about it. Don't expect too much from him, but at least you will have opened up to someone about it and this should take a big weight off your mind.

I live in the US and I find that for something like this I have to persist with my doctor. They only follow up on things if I continually make appointments and force him to address it. That's when I've had the most success in getting him to take it seriously.

matt, like i said im not going to tell my boss unless i have to, it will make me worse and more paranoid if someoene knows so i dont think youre right htere. i agree about going to the doctor and i will be doig so soon but as i have explained my anxeity makes it really hard to go to the doctor, especially the thought of having a blood test. makes me feel fain even thinking about it

Hey everyone,

I'm most currently interested in the acid levels.

As for you superhuman exercise gentlemen, I normally agree with you.

However..

I just spent three full days snowboarding, and if you haven't ever done that, it's a complete full body workout. I'd be out of breath not only in between runs, but for even an hour after. Of course it was also 7 straight hours of for three days in a row, but basically, it means EVERYTHING is going to hurt if you're not doing it all the time, and even if you are, things are still going to hurt.

so, I'm trying to emphasize this kind of workout for me particularly, but let me tell you. The entire vacation.. my stomach was off the wall. I've never had such consecutive problems. It was everything that we've all described except all at once, plus the anxiety, and perhaps maybe altitude (I live in a flat flat low sea-side area.. the Rockies are always a change..) and vacation food....

I was just feeling so depressed the whole time about this, and I had figured that with all that kind of physical workout, I'd be feeling great. But I wasn't. I'd feel amazing out there, but once I got back to the room, I could feel it all coming back. This is my first day back home ... maybe I just need an easy few days for the rest of this break and things will clear up.

But, I just wanted to throw that out there on the exercise front. Maybe somebody can pick something out of my story and shed some light on this for me.

Ha! Yeh only joking there but that's a shame the old snowboarding didn't go so well.. maybe next time!?!

Also a shame to hear that you didn't/don't experience what myself and matt_user find... I've never been snow-boarding so I can't comment I have been ice-skating though and I know that is reallllllllly tiring on the legs - so if it's anything like that - a lot of energy going in there!

Like I mentioned before - I'm starting to get concerned that a lot of this is psychological. It's a vicious circle though because any psychological effects we have, have been brought on by the noises in the first case - and now possibly its those same psychological effects (or damage might be a better term) that are causing the noises to trigger - e.g. situations/places of anxiety. I know its not entirely down to that - nowhere near - but it is a factor I believe.

Why is it not entirely down to anxiety? Well for me, I've noticed some trigger foods - the main one being this:
Say I'm sitting at my desk at work all day, with no one around and feeling fine. At midday I go to lunch and come back, still feeling fine. If I eat an apple by itself say at 4pm or so, my stomach will go into lift off noises-wise! It's almost a certainty at this stage. As well I get a kind of 'light/floaty' feeling in my stomach and a general feeling of... hard to describe... I suppose I feel sluggish? I don't feel unwell - but at the same time - I don't feel *normal*. It'll stay with me then for a few hours - until I eat dinner/go to gym!

It happened again the other day and I meant to login and write exactly how I was feeling but I forgot. Actually it's 16:39 now and I could eat another one... but I'm not going to!!

Anyway - that's what I've noticed with that - anyone else have anything similar to that?

Once again, i too am relieved to have found this forum, just knowing that i am not alone with this problem makes me feel a little bit better! Not sure whether it actually started when i began uni a year and a half ago, or was it just then that i began to notice the noises due to being sat in quiet lectures most of the time.

I get the usual grumbling and growling sounds from my stomach when i get hungry (which is about an hour or two after eating!), but these gurgling, popping, whining noises (you know what i mean!) are something else altogether. So embarrassing!! I have no control over them whatsoever and, like so many other people on here, they have started taking over my life a little. To the point where i am skipping lectures and avoiding quiet situations incase my intestines start talking. I have exams coming up in a few weeks and i am dreading them as i will have to sit in a quiet room with no escape if the noises start up...

Slowly working my way through the posts on this thread and have decided to see my GP; i think that the Candida Albicans may be worth checking out as i have been plagued by thrush and athlete's foot recently. I am also going to start keeping a diary of what i eat to see if i can identify any triggers. Anyway, just wanted to let you all know that i am yet another "sufferer" of this embarassing problem. It's a lot more common than i thought, so i'm hoping that between us all we will come up with a solution to end this misery.

welsh girl, welcome, we all know how you feel, i actually had a place at newport uni for last year but defered becasue of my noises, now im going to take another eyar out becaseu of my health problems and work related things.
canidida is somehing many of us suspect and have done a lot of research into, if you go to your gp let us know what happens, ive been too worried to talk to mine about candida becasue i know many doctors shrug it off or dont really belive it, but i think they can do a stool test for it.

coheed, yousaid you were interested in acid levels, are you trying anything? ive had mixed results with the hcl... i still get noises.. hunger noises, random noises, noises when i lay down, but since taking the hcl with meals, im not geeting noises whilst/after eting meals... you know the sort. ive not done well with my healthy eting this week becasue ive been really down and stressed, but last night i had a bag of chips from the chip shop ( fries to you americans) and took the hcl with them and had no noises. i was really hungry and having bad hunger noises and usually when i let myself get really hungry and eat a big unhealthy meal i get lots of digestive noises, but there was nothing, no noise till i got hungry again later.


irish... theres no way this condition is just down to anxiety. it certainly isnt casued by anxiety, but the anxiety and the stress that comes with it certianly doesnt help, especially in quiet situations, and just makes the noises worse i think.
but just think, normal people get a churned up stomachh when theyre nervous or stressed, and we got that constant stress and anxiety all the time becasue of our stomach in the first place, its a horrible circle.

so on the whole i think they are helping, but if my theory is correct and i have low acid and candida, then maybeim treating the noises from the low acid but still getting the candida noises. anyway im going to stick at it and ill keep you updated.

welshgirl, you said about getting hungry an hour or two after eating.. does anyone else get this? i normally eat my eveing meal around 8/9 becasue of work, and by 11 ill be getting hunger noises again, same with eating at 3, by 5/6 ill need to eat something. anyone have a theory as to whey were always hungry? sometimes i dont even feel hungry, its just my stomach thats hungry and i need to eat to shut it up, maybe its the canidia wanting to be fed?
my noises are alwyas worse at night too, i can get through most of the day with just hunger noises

Ah, well Irish, haha I had a blast snowboarding, and I felt great up there... it's just the second I stepped off the slopes, it's like it.. just settled back into that same sluggish kind of feeling you JUST described. Granted, I ate some junk food, and my stomach was a bit upset normally just because of cycle, but it seemed excessive? I'm not sure.. I feel a lot better now that I am home and back. It also may have been the coffee.. I don't drink much coffee, but when we changed time zones, I had to haha.

Hi Welshgirl, your situation sounds like all of the others.. I still can't believe we have this problem after finding so many people. I hope your visit with the medical goes well.. we could all use some good news/information. I understand the skipping lectures... unfortunately I cannot do that anymore as most of my classes are now selective and nearing the end/importance. And smaller.. can't skip out unnoticed as easily anymore. But, I'm glad you found us.. sort of. I wish you didn't have to find us.

Helpwanted, I actually didn't stick with the candida idea.. I wish there would be a sure-fire way to test. Not to mention how useless it would be to go to a doctor, and I know we work a bit differently over here... I think I'd have to talk to a A LOT of ignorant people just to get to someone useful. If even.
I get bored with things if I don't see results... which is bad, but the Paragone seemed to work wonders while the Candigone did nothing for me. Although at this point, I'm down in my luck enough to try Candigone again. I haven't actually tried any of the suggestions for the acidic balances... I'll have to go back and record what everyone suggested. It's just that the last week of class for me was all midterms so I was studying,and did not have time to go buy food (go to the Healthstore) so I went out to eat a lot that week. Not to mention, I was going on break for this full week.. would have been silly to stock up on food. I might venture to one of our healthstores here back home though..

It's just so exhausting to keep up with this. I wish I had some kind of motivation, you know?

Hp, have you decided to keep trying on your own? I know you are adamantly averse to the idea of speaking with people about it. Though I understand why. I just do NOT understand how this is such a widespread problem..

Having a particularly noisy couple of days at the mo Just relieved that i do not have any uni to worry about today. I know a lot of you believe that stress and anxiety is a factor, but i do not think it is in my case. My stomach is noisy pretty much all of the time recently, and will often happen when i am at home and not even worrying about it (such as right now!). I noticed yesterday and today that the noises had started before i even got out of bed! I really have no idea what could be causing it and am hoping to get an appointment with my GP this week. Although, i'll be honest, i don't have much faith in them... But hey ho, it's worth a try.

Glad that i am not the only one who gets hungry an hour or so after eating. People often ask if i have worms as i eat so much! But i get the shakes and start to feel quite unwell if i go without food for more than a few hours, which can be pretty inconvenient. I have to carry snacks around in my bag and eat during lectures or else i risk the rumbling belly. I try to eat pretty healthily on the whole, but this can be quite difficult when you have a sweet tooth like mine

What i would give to have a "normal" tummy. I would say like everyone else has but clearly that is not the case as there appear to be so many of us with noisy tummies. I am determined to get it sorted as i really don't wanna mess up my degree, or the rest of my life for that matter. First stop will be my GP, and then i may look into having some sort of a food allergy test. Has anyone else tried that?

Hi all,

Well im back from my hols, had a fab time but the noises were constant, was good to be able to happily ignore them though. Im absolutely dreading going back to work next week, wish i didn't have to go through all this.

Just to catch up on a few things-hi to everyone new, lovely to meet you all. Welsh girl-i get hungry all the time too, i have to eat every 1-2 hours or i get hunger rumbles on top of the other noises. Between 7am and 12 noon i eat porridge, pack of crisps and 2 or more cereal bars, i get all wobbley and shakey if i dont.

HW-so sorry you're having to go through the situation with work. I've been there many times and am ashamed to say ive just skived off each time, i just never thought my manager would understand why i couldn't attend. I've never been in trouble because of it though.

Just found out im anaemic so i have this to deal with too. The iron supplements im on are really upsetting my stomach so it's back to the doctors on monday!!

I also get hungry every 2 hours or so no matter how much I eat the for main meals.

Well, it's been awhile since I've visited this site. We're certainly not alone, though that is very much how one feels when you're sitting in a quiet room when your old demon starts acting up. I've had this now, in so far as I can remember, for around 25 years, starting when I went to university.

So, contrary to all of the excellent advice of the medical and psychological experts here's what can help somewhat. I try to accept the following if I'm in a meeting, class, etc.:

1) Sit near the door when you can and it gives you the feeling that you can leave if you have to (sometimes I do), without drawing too much attention. This little bit of control can help me to tough things to my maximum, which fortunately doesn't arrive too often.
2) If I know I'm going to be in meetings or classes I try and avoid drinking for awhile since that tends to make the next day a wee bit more flatulent/noisy than usual.
3) I try not to tell too many people about this. They can be sympathetic, but honestly, most either can't relate or are simply dealing with their own neuroses which I'm sympathetic to, but also can't quite relate to.
4) I know where everyone bathroom in the world is; really. Just test me. I should have a website and make a million, but I'm to kind to exploit this problem.
5) I fight the tendency to beat up on myself for having this, particularly when I've had to leave a situation because of it. I remind myself that I am my own best friend and friends should always support one another (that sounded a little split personality-ish .. but you know what I mean).
6) I accept that I have to modify my life somewhat, particularly in terms of places I go to. That is life for many people in many ways. I adapt and accept that where I am is what it's all about, not what I'm missing.
7) I feel rather glum about my situation sometimes. I'm human after all. I snap back then and refuse to let this or anything else take over my life.
I keep looking for new possibilities to fix this; hope springs eternal.
9) I enjoy the unrestrained passage of gas when alone (there goes one now), or amongst friends who will appreciate it (well, in their own way).

pix, im aneamic too, have they found the casue for your anemia yet? what supplemnts are you on? what does? are you tsking them on an empty stomach or with meals? i have no problems with my ferrous sulphate

Something Irishlad referred to in his earlier post was about this feeling of being sluggish or slightly unwell all the time along with these noises. That is something I have quite a lot also.... it's hard to describe, but it's a general feeling of my body just not being 100% well... I think this for me is the most worrying part of the whole thing.

I've been to the doctor and had numerous medicals, had numerous blood tests, even had an endoscopy done and they've found nothing, but I still have this feeling of constant discomfort in my upper abdomen. It's almost like a cramp in my stomach and/or intestines... sometimes it goes away, but I feel it quite a lot of the time.

I'd like to know if other people feel physically 100% or if they also have this feeling of being slightly unwell all the time. I've read that it's common for people with IBS to feel that their body energy levels aren't what they should be most of the time.

Wow, seems i am not the only one who has to eat every hour or so either. Is that something a lot of us have in common? Could it in any way way be related to our noisy stomachs i wonder??

Matt, i do not feel unwell at the time of my 'noises', but i do sometimes get a strange sensation in my lower abdomen. I can feel the gurgles/popping as well as hear the noises. A coursemate of mine even told me that he could feel the vibrations of my 'popping' while he was sat next to me on a bench in a court room - how embarassing! More recently though i have started to develop a stomachache after eating, but only sometimes.

I saw a doctor 6 months ago and she suggested that i may be suffering with IBS, but i don't think that i am. They seem to be a little too quick to blame all these types of symptms on IBS rather than investigating the problem further.