i was thinkgin about the acid, sometimes when i drink orange juice itr makes my face sweat and burn... and the same thing happen with tomotos and vingar soemtimes...
could this be a symtom of it? or maybe my digestice system doesnt like acidic foods

Hello everyone,

Sorry for not posting in a while, but I thought my last post came through, but I guess it didn't. Well I'll sum up what I had on my last post. The doctor asked me if I chew gum or if I consume sugars like equal. I told him that I have not chewed gum or consumed sugar in the last 3 months. So his idea was shot down with that. He stated that he was going to get some blood drawn and get a stool test. I have not heard anything yet with the results. I did pick up my medication, which is Metronidazole, which is substituted for Flagyl. I am also taking Ciprofloxacin, which is substituted for Cipro.

I just started the pills yesterday and I don't feel any better with the pills. I think I was feeling better with the Candigone, Paragone and other pills I take than these pills. I asked my GI if he thinks it could be Candida and he stated that he thinks I'm too young and healthy to have candida, but I informed him of drinking too much in school and having a poor diet. He stated that he will try to what may be wrong with me in my blood test.

I found a cool site, with a forum like here and lots of other information passing around on there. I know I can't paste the website, since I got my account closed the last time I did that, so I'll paste some information. Check out "healingwell" as the main part of the website.


"My stomach and small intestine also made terrible noises. Very embarrassing especially at meetings or church. Found out that I had several strictures causing blockages. Seems like the noises were really bad several hours after I ate when things were trying to make it through the obstructions. I had a resection in Oct of last year and all seems to be good."


"My stomach made horrific noises when my ileum was narrowed and then mostly obstructed. My doctor, hearing the noises at an appointment, said it was from my system trying to find a way past the blockage. After a resection the noises went away completely. I just stopped taking entocort after a flare, and my belly is talking to me again. I'm having a scope done in April and this is making me consider moving it up. My boss hates the noises in our weekly meeting, so I have found that sipping hot tea throughout the 2 hours (that's alot of tea!) helps quiet things down, don't know why."


I also agree with help about the Candida, thyroid/hormone problem or acid reflux. I really want to get to the bottom of this problem ASAP as it is ruining my life. I have to say my noises aren't too bad, but you can hear them in a quite room. My stomach noises are not as bad as they use to be and I can say I have noticed some change. I think we all need to follow a strict diet and take our supplements. I will also look into seeing another GI if I think my current one isn't that great.

Well I will keep you guys updated as soon as I get more info.

Sharing some research...The question asked was "Why does the stomach growl or make noise."



Everyone's stomach growls, some growl more than others. The growls, technically called borborygmi (pronounced BOR-boh-RIG-mee), are caused primarily by contractions of the muscles of the stomach and small intestine and, to a lesser extent, by contractions of the muscles of the large intestine (colon).

The stomach and intestines are hollow organs consisting primarily of muscle. The muscles are important for digesting food. Different actions of the muscles can cause the food to be ground, mixed, stored, and transported along the length of the intestine and expelled. As part of the process of digestion, fluid is secreted into the stomach and intestines. Gas also appears in the stomach and intestines either as a result of swallowing air or production of gasses by intestinal bacteria. Thus the stomach and intestines contain a mixture of digesting food, liquid, and gas.

As the muscles of the stomach and intestines contract and squeeze their contents, the contents move. It is the movement of the food, liquid, and particularly the gas that gives rise to borborygmi. Because food, liquid, and gas are most commonly present in the intestines after a meal, this is the time when we most frequently are aware of borborygmi. We also may be more aware of them at night while lying in bed because—at least if the TV is not turned on--it is quiet.

Borborygmi may be prominent in a few abnormal conditions. Thus, they may occur when there is physical obstruction of the intestine that blocks the transport of the digesting food, for example, by a tumor. Because of the blockage, muscle behind the blockage contracts more strongly and frequently trying to overcome the blockage. This can give rise to louder borborygmi. Unlike normal borborygmi, however, the borborygmi associated with obstruction usually are associated with crampy abdominal pain. If the obstruction is not relieved, the muscle eventually gets tired and stops contracting. The cramps stop, gas and fluid continue to collect behind the obstruction, and the abdomen swells.

Another situation in which borborygmi may be prominent is a condition called bacterial overgrowth of the small intestine. In this condition, gas-producing bacteria increase in numbers in the small intestine and produce abnormally large amounts of gas. The increased amount of gas (and possibly stronger contractions of the intestinal muscles caused by additional distention of the intestine by gas) gives rise to louder borborygmi. Bacterial overgrowth often—but not always--gives rise to an increased amount of flatulence (farting) and even abdominal bloating or distention.

Sometimes there is no explanation for prominent borborygmi. I remember a friend who called me about his teenage daughter who was having a difficult time with her first period study hall in high school. It seemed that she was having embarrassingly-loud borborygmi made even worse by the fact that the school room was quiet. The daughter was healthy and without other gastrointestinal symptoms. Fortunately, we were able to solve the problem by giving her a teaspoon of olive oil with her breakfast. (Fatty acids that are released from the digestion of fat and oils in the intestine are potent blockers of intestinal contractions. The olive oil reduced her borborygmi by reducing the strength of her intestinal contractions.)

Thank you for your question.

that research just backs up the candida or 'bacterial growth' theory even more

Helpwanted,

I don't remember where I heard that... I believe it was actually on some kind of website.. but I forget what I was researching. Something probably along the lines of sleep, relaxation, anxiety, etc...

Good to hear from you Eric and Growgurl.

Eric, are you sticking with your usual diet? I'm still doing Paragone when I can remember (except I didn't do it all this weekend and yet not a single noise?)

Growlgurl, have you been doing better as well?

I know a lot of people are on the Candidagone treatment, I was wondering how that has been working on it's own?


As a side note, I eat a lot of fish as it's my failsafe food, and I use a lot of Omega something oil. I've been doing a bit better with my noises. They are no where near what they used to be except for on rare occasions when I probably clearly ate something bad. But, since the problem is not GONE, neither is the anxiety.

Eric, I'm obviously not a doctor, and I don't know you or your specific situation, but I can tell you that Flagyl and Cipro made my noises WORSE. I used to only get the noises that come from what we around here describe as trapped gas, but after taking flagyl and cipro, I began to get all the other sounds some of us get (the popping sound etc). Anyway, just thought I might let you know...

coheed,

I'm the same with the noises. I'm still looking for a cure.

I didn't take candigone long, because it didn't help much.

I hope everyone else is doing fine.

I've been on all those antibiotics, too. (flagyll, rifaximin, etc etc) and they didn't help me. I also get this fatigue thing everyone's been talking about, and I herniated a lumbar disc a long, long time ago. I think the hormonal and spinal areas are intriguing paths of inquiry.

I'd also like to add that the popping sounds, the gurgling sounds on the left side of my stomach, and the growling/rumbling that comes from the rectal area are exact descriptions of my complaints. I have no doubt that we're all talking about the same problem. I found a listing in a veterinary journal for a problem called 'excessive borborigmy....I guess it's more readily identifiable in animals, since they don't hide it like we do...there was no suggestion of a cure though.

btw, I've also tried that olive oil thing and it didn't help.

Hi all,

sorry i haven't been on for a while, just thought i'd pop in to say hello. Don't really have anything to add though im afraid.

Thanks eric for that website, there's a great crohn's section which i've been reading.

Coheed,i was wondering if you could do me a favour. You mentioned that my position of lieing on my front with my left leg bent up is good for alingning the spine. Are there any other positions that do the same thing? How did you know this? Im going to try and find back-strengthening excersises. If anyone could help in finding these that would be great.

I don't know if it will make any difference but it's worth a try! Someone on the crohn's site said their noises were less if they sat up straight. While it's no cure, improving our posture may help.

Mine are certainly less when standing. Sitting down is usually a pretty good guarantee they're going to start.

Growlgurl, Candidagone didn't help me either. I'm just sticking with diet and hoping that my respite from antibiotics will help ( i think it is.. )

Thumb, good to hear from you. I've heard about that as well. But... there never seems to be very USEFUL information on it that I have been able to find.

Jen, I'd love to try and research that for you. I wish I could remember where I have read it... Let me make a note and look into it and I'll do my best. I should have the resources, after all.

Oh, and thumb, mine are better when standing too. The posture is interesting, as I've realized that I tend to sit up straighter when I feel the noises coming on. But, I'm not certain it always helps ( how do you know if it's helping or not? )

Anyway... glad to have this forum still.

coheed, i also tend to sit up striaght someitmes to try and stop the noises... this is really weird, but i still dont get how a back problem could casue it

ive been lookgin into thyroid issues a little... digestive problems are listed are a symptom. id be interested to know if anyone else has any other thyroid related symptoms...
* Allergies
* Anemia
* Angina
* Atherosclerosis (hardening and clogging of the arteries)
* Brittle nails
* Chronic or frequent infections
* Cold hands and feet
* Constipation
* Depression
* Difficulty losing weight
* Digestive problems
* Dry skin
* Fatigue
* Hair loss
* Headaches
* Heart rhythm disturbances
* High cholesterol
* Immune dysfunction
* Infertility
* Irregular menstrual periods
* Lethargy
* Loss of appetite
* Loss of libido
* Low resistance to colds and flu
* Memory problems
* Mental sluggishness
* Muscle weakness and atrophy
* Slowness of movement
* Slow wound healing
* Stiff joints

ok so ive taken the decision to post all of my symptoms here becasue ive been suffering from several severe ailments and various illnesses for several years now and i belive all, or many of my conditions are connected and stem from one illness or problem. and im interested to know if any of use share any common symptoms... maybe that can help us narrow down our problem.. so here goes, sorry its long

the obvious one! sever digestive problems - constipation/sometimes diahrea, chronic stomach noise - generally completly uinsettled digestive system. the need to eat to try and shut my stomach up, craving certian foods ( sugar mainly), gettign really bloated after i eat, lot of gas etc

-sinus problems (chronic post nasal drip) - had xrays, camera put up my nose etc and they cnnot figure out whats casuing it

- what i belive is anemia from years of very heavy/painful periods... get cold easily- hands anf feet in particular go blue/purple/white - shortness of breath after slight excersice, dizzy/faint feeling

- anxiety, panic attacks, really nervous very ealsiy, always on edge, get embarrassed and go red ver ealily for no real reason

- sever fatigue, i just want to lie in bed all day and see no one, depression, brain fog, not great memory, hard to concentrate - sometimes mix up my words when talking

- symptoms of hormon imbalance.. greasy, spotty skin, excesive hair

i ahve a small, hard lump infront of my right ear, near the top of my jaw, which ive had for a few months... and i can only feel it when i open my mouth wide...

im a healthy weight,my weight doesnt ever seem to change, or if it does, it doesnt change by much.

Thanks coheed, you're a star-i thought you might have a better idea of where to begin because of your parents.

HW, that's quite a list! Seriously though, you must be getting very cheesed off with it all. I can say i also get anxious/ nervous etc. I've always been a worrier and these noises have obviously increased that massively.

Have you looked at the 'leaky gut' website? You might find it interesting. Also, have you ever presented this list to a doctor?

Hello Everyone,


Thanks for the feed back Coast, your right about how some medications can make problems worse. I have been taking the antibiotics with some of my other pills and I noticed that they seem to work better. My doctor thinks that I have a bacteria problem in my colon and he thinks this will be the solution. I guess I will continue to take the antibiotics and see what happens. I have noticied that if I feel like having a bowl movement, my stomach will make a noise, but other than that, things have remained calm in the tummy.

I currently live in Houston, but I'm originally from Los Angeles and I think that change in weather (Humidity) does not help in my problem.

I have to say that my stomach does not make the croaking noise, like a water fall, so I guess that's cool. My stomach seems to be getting better, I hope and I will keep you guys posted if I find anymore info out there.

I am glad to see that we are all brainstorming and sharing ideas. I really have to agree with Help and I think it may be a bacteria problem that some of us are having.

Good luck, Eric

That's great that you're feeling better Eric! Good to see progress.

Yeah, Jen, I'll definitely write an email to my dad to start. I just wish I could remember EXACTLY where I read that.

Helpwanted, I have no idea if the back problems are related. I'm just going to look into it for sake of benefit. I looked over all the symptoms you have AND the ones that you researched, and while I have so many, I hate to say that many of those symptoms are the kinds that are just SO generic. BUT. There are a LOT that I noticed within the past two years that I think are.. something, considering that I noted them as a problem:

- Digestive (duh.. ha)

- ( I take birth control.. so I wouldn't notice a difference otherwise.)

- severe fatigue. I feel the same, ALWAYS tired.. always exhausted, can feel it in my eyes a lot, my muscles seem weaker and can't stand as much.

- never excessive weight gain / loss no matter what my diet is.

- memory loss.. I cant recall things easily, or I get .. I wouldn't say confused.. but I throw out random words rather than correct ones, just yes.. a general mental fog.

- headaches. I used to never get headaches. But lately (past two years or so) have been getting just SHARP throbbing pains. They don't always last long, but they hurt badly sometimes. And in specific areas, never a general head ache.

- Anxiety of course. Always, the heart going crazy, I get embarrassed easily, go bright red...

- I also get the dizzy feelings often, usually have to grab on to something. Those have decreased however. But, for a while, they were so bad I'd have to sit down wherever I was at and just hold my head.

I have come to think... that FATIGUE is a serious indicator of a problem. It doesn't happen without reason. It is a sign of your body lacking important nutrients, etc. These symptoms listed above are ALL implicative of a problem, a solid problem. That was a good idea to post these others that aren't just digestive, HP.

Anybody else?

jen..
yes i am currently very depressed with it all.. and almost getting to the point where i cant go on. no i havnt shown this to my doctor, ive only been for my sinus problems and when i siad i thought i was digestive related he shrugged it off. i would love to go to the doctor and ghet blood test and everything done, but i have such a huge FEAR of anything medical, my anxiety means i get so worked up i almost collapse, i know there is no way i could sit through a blood test, i just cant bring myself to go. plus im really embarrased about talking about most of my problems

coheed, its interesting you have some of the same symptoms, this is why i think what we have is more than a simple digesive problem, it has to be somethin huge and systematic like candida that can destroy parts of you...

I posted this same list of symptoms on a thyroid board and many people sad it sounded like i have a thyroid issue... and now im starting to think it to... again id love to go and get tested for it but i just cant

some one on this forum has also said they experienced stomach noise with their thryoid condition... and many people have said my story aounds like thiers...
i urge anyone who has symptoms like mine and is brave enough.... to go and get your thyroid tested. also get your iron and b12 levels tested while youre at it