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jen07
on December 8th, 2007
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Yes! Salmon is my safe meal too!! Every Tuesday i have a big 2 hour meeting in the morning so i always have salmon, baked in the oven, the night before!! This is definatley the same thing we're dealing with. I just think that the body doesn't do something for no reason- there must be a cause and if we can work that out we're half way there!

I've written to a top alternative medicine specialist in the UK, he should be sending me a reply next week so i'll let you all know what he says.

Coheed, i know you've written this thousand time but im getting very confused by what everyones doing and you seem to be having the most success. Could you just make a quick list for me of what you're taking and generally what food you avoid. I'd be really grateful. I think im going to start a little log book just to get organised as it's all a jumbble in my head at the moment x
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coheed
replied on December 8th, 2007
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Haha, Jen, I've tried to organize people a thousand times...

Let me see... first what I did was, a) cut out most dairy or excessive amounts (cheese, milk { i used soy for a while }, heavy coffees with cream, etc.), b) I cut out unnecessary high-sugar and caffeine foods ( I really only eat chocolate and cookies and such haha, not a ton of ice cream, sodas, heavy coffee etc. ) If you try some of the other gluten-less suggestions, there seems to be a couple gluten and dairy-free deserts. I tried those for a bit, but I don't follow that anymore.

For breakfasts i try simple things like Oatmeal, or usually a Fiber-enriched cereal, or eggs. I don't vary much from that ... mostly because of time.

With each meal I take Probiotics... manufactured by American Health... ha, so I do not know if you can find those exact ones, but any really should be fine... I also try and drink the Dannon Yogurt drinkables that have probiotics. Something that did work well was a fiber cereal that I had by Kashi, that I would use probiotic yogurt (nondrinkable) with instead of milk. That seemed to regulate me really well.

Lunch I may usually just eat a sandwich of just simple lunch meat or cheese, or soup (bean soups I like best, or chicken noodle ones). I'd snack on things like Wheatthins and Cheese too... I tried to keep that simple for a while as well.

Dinner, like you said, I try to do Salmon when i can. Salad also is usually safe for me too ( if you can find it, try a Ginger dressing with chopped Ginger ). Mexican food never bothered me, in fact it always seemd to keep my stomach pretty quiet, so that was always nice.

Basically, I tried to stay on the outside walls of the supermarkets as that is where all the natural foods are with fewer preservatives and added sugars and things; I also try to shop as often as I can at health food stores just to make it healthier. Growgurl had a while ago recommended Chopped Garlic and Raw Pumpkin seeds that I took in conjunction with Paragone. They helped on their own though .. the seeds were a good snack and I could put them in my salads too since they aren't so tasteful..

So, this is what I have STARTED with:
- natural and organic foods only - minimum dairy - probiotics/yogurts or pills - fish - salad- cereal - eggs - beans and veggies - raw pumpkin seeds and garlic - hearty meals like Rotisserie chicken and potatoes - rice/ risotto - Paragone or something similar if you can find it.

I really could never bring myself to follow much of a system other than just eating healthier. No junk food much for me anymore... daily walking (with my dog), and trying to get good sleep (try Valerian if you have rest problems like I do, it's natural and is found in lots of teas).

I'm also going to pick up some of the Solaray that Growgurl mentioned soon and use that now.

I REALLY hope that this helps, but it's so hard to remember and follow someone else's lifestyle... I've tried so many times and my only result was to just shop healthy. If you have any other questions, that's fine, sometimes I can only think of things if I'm asked them specifically. Good luck! I hope the specialist has something good to say.
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Coast
replied on December 9th, 2007
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We're All Definately Experiencing the Same Thing...
...here's my story.

Freshmen year of college...perfect.

sophomore year...i start to hear very faint noises in my intestines AFTER I eat.

Third year: I start to feel pressure build up in my intestines...and then one day...BAM. A loud farting noises as I feel the gas/air move around in my intestines. As we all know, this is the worst feeling ever. Specially in class.

Latter half of third year: It's getting so bad that I have to leave class. I start to get severe anxiety when I feel the gas build up. Luckily this was in Junior College, so I could skip class and still do well in class in general. Don't ask me how I got through the tests...it was extremely difficult.

This year I started University and something really strange (and horrible) happened. I began to get these noises AT HOME. Before it would only happen to me at school, so my social life was actually still in tack. BUT, now that all of this is happening at home, I'm having trouble coping. My g/f cant seem to understand why i wont go to the movies. Suffice to see, when were in bed, it is really STRANGE when I've got all of these popping, squeeling, gurgling noises coming from my stomach. She knows I have "stomach" issues, but im sure it's still weird for her.

As for SCHOOL...well...I've had to check into my university's center for disabled students. I managed to get an anxiety diagnosis from my doctor, and that helped me get into the program. I get to take tests in a private room, and there are special note takers that give me the notes from the classes that i miss. It helps....but its ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS that we have to resort to this type of stuff.

Anyway, I'm going to try some of these digestive programs over christmas break. I'll keep everyone updated.
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Dodgerblue812
replied on December 9th, 2007
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This is my first time posting...

I have been reading the posts for quite a while but i feel compelled to tell my story now as it is fairly similiar to Coheed's. I first noticed that my stomach was making noise during Sophomore year of high school. I can clearly remember the first time it happened to me, even what i ate for breakfast that morning. Needless to say that first incident had a big impact on me and still gives me chills when i think about it.

The noises and anxiety were bearable throughout high school. The noises began to get more frequent and noticeable during freshman year of college but usually before lecture/tests i would eat a moderate meal, strategically choose where i sat and i could limit the anxiety which seemed to quell the noise.

However I am now a Sophomore and the noises are extremely frequent and i have such a high level of anxiety that i can barely even sit through class, let alone actually try my best on tests. When i take exams all i can think about are my stomach noises, my heart races, my palms sweat, and i feel flush.

Like Coheed i used to take antibiotics for acne throughout high school and into my freshman year of college. While this may have nothing to do with the noise i thought it was interesting that our pattern is almost identical and we were on the same type of medication. Either way im with everyone, it feels so much better to know im not the only one with these problems.

I tried paragone for a couple weeks, but i didn't feel like it really helped very much, it would be awesome to find a long term solution but i have finals this week (3 hours each x 4 classes) and ill be ecstatic to just find a quick fix for finals. So is there anything that works well for a few hours, enough to get me through some finals so i can concentrate on my exams and not my stomach?
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jen07
replied on December 9th, 2007
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Thanks Coheed-im doing pretty much exactly the same as you even down to walking the dog! Again, very telling that we've discovered the same foods etc, help us. The only thing im not on is a probiotic, i take the yog drinks and natural yog but not a tablet so i'll get onto that. I'm also wheat free as that seriously bloats me.

Dodgerblue, thanks for telling us your very familiar story. Sounds like the antibiotics have alot to answer to!!

You've probably read my routine and decided it wouldn't help you but incase you missed it, this is the rouitine i follow, it tends to give me 3 to 3 and a half relatively noise free hours:

-night before, eat a meal of baked salmon (see coheed's recipe) with carrots, peas and potato at about 6pm

For a 9am- 12.30 exam:

-set alarm for 7am, 20mins on toilet (#2) even if you don't need it, just sit there trying

-get showered/dressed etc

-8am, brekfast of oatmeal and soya milk, probiotic yog drink

-8.15- 8.45, back on toilet, again, even if you don't need ot just sit there and try.
(my theory is that if your bowels are empty, there's nothing in there that can make noise and it works for me)

I have to eat again after 2 hours as my stomach starts hunger rumbling, i usually eat a bag of crisps or a cereal bar.

When i had afternoon exams, i'd follow the same routine but start it later in the day. So go to bed later, sleep in later etc.

I hope this helps you, it got me through my exams, i was very lucky never to have 2 in 1 day-sending you lots of luck and positive thoughts.

I have a day of lectures after xmas which im already dreading and starting to think of excuses to get out of. I'll probably try to book annual leave or throw a sickie which i HATE doing, i feel so guilty, well they can sack me for it if they want!

I just keep repeating to myself: this is not my fault, im doing the very best i can, this is an real condition, it's not in my head! If someone had a conditon that stopped them doing something like people with epilepsy can't drive, no questions would be asked but we have to struggle through stuff that we shouldn't have to do- it's not fair!!
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jen07
replied on December 9th, 2007
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Coast, i just wanted to say that this has effected my social life too, i can never go to the cinema or to a friends for a meal or even watch a dvd but there's so much i can do and enjoy.

Find new things to do with you're girlfriend: get a dog and go for long romatic walks, swimming, eating out, shopping, go see a band, dancing, play tennis. So what if you cant take her to the movies-she can go with her friends!

When you're lieing in bed, have music on in the background or the tv on. Try to have a bath before hand to relax and get rid of some of that noisy gas. I used to lie there cringing and still do sometimes but over the years i've learned that my husband loves me for ME, noisy or not!! Plus, you're a bloke, you're allowed to fart and burp and poo, it's not very lady like for us girls!

I just think that if it was the other way around, i wouldn't care what noises came out of my husband or if he couldn't do certain things with him because i love him and i'm sure your g/friend feels the same.
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coheed
replied on December 9th, 2007
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Well, Jen, maybe it's just a matter of time. I truly feel like eating healthier like we are will eventually show some good results, and I mean that for everybody. It makes sense, considering what kind of nasty things we eat these days...

Dodger, I wish I had a fast fix for you, I'm honestly surprised Paragone didn't help at all... when I had a three hour night class I would try to drink Ginger tea, chopped Garlic, and Maalox ... they won't do anything for the anxiety, sadly, but they seemed to help me a little. Perhaps your teacher will let you take your exams in a different part of the room, or out in a hallway..

Coast, I really wish you were seeing some improvements, I somewhat venture to movies now, though I make sure to take something before hand... what kind of things are you currently trying?
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GrowlGurl
replied on December 9th, 2007
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Dodgerblue812 wrote:
This is my first time posting...

I have been reading the posts for quite a while but i feel compelled to tell my story now as it is fairly similiar to Coheed's. I first noticed that my stomach was making noise during Sophomore year of high school. I can clearly remember the first time it happened to me, even what i ate for breakfast that morning. Needless to say that first incident had a big impact on me and still gives me chills when i think about it.

The noises and anxiety were bearable throughout high school. The noises began to get more frequent and noticeable during freshman year of college but usually before lecture/tests i would eat a moderate meal, strategically choose where i sat and i could limit the anxiety which seemed to quell the noise.

However I am now a Sophomore and the noises are extremely frequent and i have such a high level of anxiety that i can barely even sit through class, let alone actually try my best on tests. When i take exams all i can think about are my stomach noises, my heart races, my palms sweat, and i feel flush.

Like Coheed i used to take antibiotics for acne throughout high school and into my freshman year of college. While this may have nothing to do with the noise i thought it was interesting that our pattern is almost identical and we were on the same type of medication. Either way im with everyone, it feels so much better to know im not the only one with these problems.

I tried paragone for a couple weeks, but i didn't feel like it really helped very much, it would be awesome to find a long term solution but i have finals this week (3 hours each x 4 classes) and ill be ecstatic to just find a quick fix for finals. So is there anything that works well for a few hours, enough to get me through some finals so i can concentrate on my exams and not my stomach?


Try Super Digestaway from Solaray. Also, phazyme would help me sometimes when I needed a quick fix.

Definately, start building up your enzymes with Super Digestaway, so that your food doesn't sit there and not digest, and build gas in your intestines.

I'm suprised the Paragone didn't help you. Maybe you needed to take it longer than 2 weeks.
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Coast
replied on December 9th, 2007
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p.s my situation took a major turn for the worse a couple of months ago after I took Flagyl and Cipro (antibiotics).

Jen: Alot of the stuff you mentioned I already do. Smile Tonight we're going to a concert, and I DO leave the music/tv on when we're in bed. Like you said...she really doesn't care when the noises come, but nevertheless, it's still a little awkward for me. :/

Coheed: I think the main reason I'm not seeing very good results is because I'm not really doing anything to remedy the situation. The only thing I've tried the past few weeks is a bit better diet, exercise, and the occasional tums smoothie. However, like I said in my previous post, I'm ready to really dedicate myself to a regimen that'll help me get through this. I'm going to try the digestive enzyme by solaray that growlgurl suggested...Smile
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GrowlGurl
replied on December 9th, 2007
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Coast wrote:

Jen: I DO leave the music/tv on when we're in bed. Like you said...she really doesn't care when the noises come, but nevertheless, it's still a little awkward for me. :/


I know what you mean when you say how you still feel awkward when you're lying or sitting down watching t.v with your significant other and the noises start. My husband and I both have the noises and when his start, I feel embarrassed for him. He tries to pretend he isn't embarrassed but I know he is. I'm also embarrassed when my starts. We know about each other's stomach noises, but still we both get embarrassed for each other. Stomach noises are embarrassing in general.

Coast, I highly recommend the Super Digestaway. They are cheap and they help stop the noises and GAS.
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jen07
replied on December 10th, 2007
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Hope you enjoy the concert Coast. I totally agree with you and growlgurl, as postive as i try to be, it is embarrasing when the noises start, even with my husband but im alot more comfortable with him than i used to be-the stomach ones i dont mind so much it's the ones that sound like farts which make me want the ground to swallow me!!
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Coast
replied on December 10th, 2007
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I bought some super digestaway (from solaray) today. I have two final exams tomorrow...hopefully it helps me get through them ok. I'll let you guys know how it turns out...
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Dodgerblue812
replied on December 10th, 2007
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Thanks for the advice guys!
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help wanted
replied on December 12th, 2007
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hi guys.
i found a site that has or will ship superdigestaway and paragone to the uk for a decent price so imite try it after christmas... jen07 if youe inteested in the site let me know...
how is everyone doing on these products?
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marre
replied on December 12th, 2007
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Thank you everyone. There are others out there with this problem, I feel better knowing that.
I have had bouts with this problem over the last year and a half. It seems within minutes of eating, the sounds start, sometimes I swear it is the minute I open my mouth to take a bite of food. And the sounds continue for at least two hours after eating anything.
It is so awful that I try to go without eating when I am at work, then eat when I get home.
In the past I finally went to a health store and talked about this. I believe it is from an over growth of yeast in the intestine. It comes from eating too many foods with sugar and carbohydrates. (in short fast foods and junk foods)
I went on a 10 day fast and took a Candi product that restores the natural bacteria in your intestine. You have to follow the fast instructions, and it will work.
My problem is that it has gone away for months at a time, but the minute I know I am ok, I slip and eat too much of something again, and it is back.
So, then I start over, and promise myself I will stick to a better diet. Keeping a good bacteria level in you system is not easy, but it can be done.
I am now having a flare up, and I will blame it on Thanksgiving and eating too many carbohydrates(which are really just sugar)
So I will be going back on the fast till I get back on track. I truely believe the overgrowth of yeast is the problem, I know I have found relief with this fast.
Marre
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coheed
replied on December 12th, 2007
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Good Luck, Marre,

I think the key is healthy food, so we're all somewhat getting back on track it seems, whether we like it or not haha.

Growgurl, I went home for the holidays and our healthfood store had Solaray, but they didn't have the super digest (small town, ha), but I am going to try a small bottom of another Renew life digestive enzyme until I can get a hold of the Solaray. I was wondering, if you wouldn't mind mentioning the main ingredients? It'd be interesting to compare. I hope your exams all went well, Dodger and Coast. I managed to get through mine nicely for once...
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GrowlGurl
replied on December 13th, 2007
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coheed wrote:
Good Luck, Marre,

I think the key is healthy food, so we're all somewhat getting back on track it seems, whether we like it or not haha.

Growgurl, I went home for the holidays and our healthfood store had Solaray, but they didn't have the super digest (small town, ha), but I am going to try a small bottom of another Renew life digestive enzyme until I can get a hold of the Solaray. I was wondering, if you wouldn't mind mentioning the main ingredients? It'd be interesting to compare. I hope your exams all went well, Dodger and Coast. I managed to get through mine nicely for once...


Coheed,

The ingredients are listed on page 21.
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GrowlGurl
replied on December 14th, 2007
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marre wrote:
Thank you everyone. There are others out there with this problem, I feel better knowing that.
I have had bouts with this problem over the last year and a half. It seems within minutes of eating, the sounds start, sometimes I swear it is the minute I open my mouth to take a bite of food. And the sounds continue for at least two hours after eating anything.
It is so awful that I try to go without eating when I am at work, then eat when I get home.
In the past I finally went to a health store and talked about this. I believe it is from an over growth of yeast in the intestine. It comes from eating too many foods with sugar and carbohydrates. (in short fast foods and junk foods)
I went on a 10 day fast and took a Candi product that restores the natural bacteria in your intestine. You have to follow the fast instructions, and it will work.



My problem is that it has gone away for months at a time, but the minute I know I am ok, I slip and eat too much of something again, and it is back.
So, then I start over, and promise myself I will stick to a better diet. Keeping a good bacteria level in you system is not easy, but it can be done.
I am now having a flare up, and I will blame it on Thanksgiving and eating too many carbohydrates(which are really just sugar)
So I will be going back on the fast till I get back on track. I truely believe the overgrowth of yeast is the problem, I know I have found relief with this fast.
Marre


Thank you for posting your story.
I think this makes perfect sense because Paragone scratches the surface of candida, but it's not it's primary focus. Maybe that is the reason I got good results with the Paragone, but yet no cure.

I went and purchased Candigone by (Renew Life) It's the same company that makes the Paragone. I also did the "spit test" that is mentioned to test for candida, and the results were positive.

I think the toughest challenge will be the candida diet because I love potatoes. I can do without the other sweets.

I will keep everyone posted. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is the 100% cure.
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jen07
replied on December 14th, 2007
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What's the 'spit test' GG?

Helpwanted-that would be great if you could give me the website name, thankyou.

I've had no reply from the specialist, will let you know as soon as i do.
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marre
replied on December 14th, 2007
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OK, I want to thank Growlgurl for reading my post, because I think my story may have the answer for alot of people, I am not saying it is the only answer, but I know it works.
When I came to this forum it was to look for information on an eye problem, I never thought about the yeast problem that I had. But I saw this thread, and I have to say it made me feel good on one note, because others were experiencing this problem and it made me feel good to know that I cured my problem.
The CandiGone was the answer for me, yes you have to change what you eat esp while you are taking it, but think about your everyday discomfort you feel everyday and you will be able to do it.
For the almost two years I have managed to control this problem, and if it weren't for say, Thanksgiving eating and going, should I say off the wagon, I do real good.
I have lost 30 lbs by changing my eating habits, I stay away from foods that have too much of the stuff that my body can't seem to deal with very well, and that is how I end up with the over growth of yeast in my system, from what I learned the yeast will travel from you stomach, kind of over flow if you can't kill it off. And that is where the problems start.
I eat very well, and enjoy alot of different foods. And right now I can look at things and not miss eating them, because I know if the bout comes back it makes me feel awful.
I hope I have been able to share as everyone else has. I think the key is to rid your body of the excess yeast growth and start and stay on healthier eating habits, it is not a diet, it is a way to eat.
Thank you for letting me share, everyone has good ideas and you just have to let them work for you. You will have to give up something at first to get on track.
Marre
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