I know, I gave in and ate pizza last
night... lol
lots of it.
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gettingthere
Supporter
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 09-13-07 16:05pm
I was wondering, does garlic actually kill
the parasites? What does it do in
connection with parasites?
Does anybody know?
A while ago, I started taking 3 cloves (
cut into pieces and swallowed with water )
every night before going to bed. The next
day I would be perfectly fine till around
the evening. I tried this 3 days in a row
for sure and every day the noises/flutters
would start at the same time of the day. I
calculated it, and found that 3 cloves of
garlic was enough to keep my stomach quiet
for almost 18 hours. If I took the garlic
an hour or so earlier, the noises would
start an hour or so earlier, and if I took
the garlic a few hours later, the noises
would start that many hours later.
Something interesting... Because it was so
exact.
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coheed
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 119
Posted: 09-14-07 17:13pm
I've had similar success with the garlic..
though it was more of an immediate
response for me that I noticed (unless it
was just coincidence). That would be
interesting to look into.
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Mabel
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Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 8951 Location: Grinning like a Cheshire Cat,
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Posted: 09-14-07 17:15pm
Please be careful with the garlic. You may
not know it because you may not smell it,
but people who eat garlic give off a very
strong odor of, well, garlic. I have to be
around someone who does eat garlic like
this plus she takes garlic pills and it is
offensive to be near here as her body
literally secrets the garlic smell in a
way I cannot describe.
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thumb
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 18
Re: Question About Those Parasite Cleansers Posted: 09-15-07 18:44pm
GrowlGurl
wrote:
There is no "added stool ingredient" in
Paragone that I know of, like there is in
the Colonix. Paragone is strictly a
parasite cleanser, and it balances the
intestinal flora, not a colon
cleanser.
A lot of people feel that Colonix produces
'parasite things' from the colon cleasing
ingredients. I'm not sure, but I do know
that Colonix contains senna,
cascara(laxatives) that could be mistaken
as 'parasites.' I have no experience with
Dr.Natura's Colonix. Like I have
mentioned before, I don't like taking the
laxatives daily, and that's the main focus
with the Colonix. It's more of a colon
cleanser.(IMO). I chose "Paragone"
instead.
Also, I don't know what you mean about
"soon after taking a dietary supplement?"
I didn't see results until 5 days after
starting Paragone. Since, I've been on
the second box, I'm seeing the eggs,
seeds, and small worms.
What I was suggesting, GrowlGurl, is that
the things you are seeing in your stool
might come from the Paragone itself. If
you started taking the Paragone and soon
after you started seeing 'eggs' and other
interesting things in your stool, it's a
much simpler explanation to think that
some ingredient in the Paragone (either
one that's listed as an active ingredient
or one that isn't listed at all) may be
causing this rather dramatic confirmation
of a problem that you really only have
their word on having in the first place.
I'm suggesting there might be an
ingredient in the Paragone purposefully
added to look like eggs, worms, and
whatever in order to create the illusion
of therapeutic benefit.
That's why I was interested in whether the
product actually makes you feel better or
not. In the end, that's the only thing
that matters anyway.
And, just FYI, Paragone lists cascara (one
of the laxatives you mentioned you didn't
want to take) as one of its main
ingredients.
Despite my skepticism, I hope it works.
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gettingthere
Supporter
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 09-15-07 20:49pm
Regarding the garlic, one thing I would
like to suggest is to NOT TAKE IT ON AN
EMPTY STOMACH. It will burn like anything.
The last time I took it, my stomach burned
like crazy and so I drank a glass of milk
and it helped.
I really do agree with the fact that our
problem might be due to parasites.
Apparently, Candidiasis, Leaky Gut
Syndrome and Parasites are linked in one
way or the other. If you have one of them
you are likely to have the other.
And parasites can also cause IBS and food
allergies, so its very probable that they
might be the cause. Makes sense...
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coheed
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 119
Posted: 09-15-07 22:14pm
that's interesting, Gettingthere,
Seems like all stomach issues just get
labeled IBS because they are so difficult
to diagnose?
However though, for those who are still
skeptical... we're all skeptical. Even
Growlgurl has mentioned slight doubts at
times. But you know, it's a lot better
than doing nothing and from my own
experience (I just finished a box today),
I'm feeling for the first time in four
years (which is nothing compared to some
people here) that I'm alright. And that I
can sit through a movie, or go on a date,
or handle .. god forbid, a quiet exam or
classroom.
In short, I don't give a damn WHAT I have.
If this Paragone is working, regardless of
if it's parasites or not, then I'm going
to keep doing it. If it works, I'm doing
it. And it's working. So please, don't
rule it out because other things haven't
worked for you. I shouldn't be so worked
up about it, but I have hated this problem
more than anything, and I'd hate to see
someone else give up just because of some
label disputes. Good Luck!!!!!!
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GrowlGurl
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 71
Paragone Is An Option, Not Mandatory Posted: 09-15-07 22:15pm
thumb,
I'm sitting here reading the ingredients
on the Paragone box, it doesn't contain
cascara. I'm talking about Paragone from
Renew Life.
FYI...my post are starting to be
redundant, and I'm tired of repeating the
same thing over and over. Paragone is
working great for my stomach noises. I
don't alter diet or anything. My noises
are 95-97% better, like I mentioned in my
LAST post! So it is WORKING.
Paragone is an option. I'm sharing what
is working for me, and we all seem to have
the SAME problem.
Parasites cause all kinds of problems in
the digestive tract. If you don't believe
ME, then do your own research.
FYI...What I see in my stools are real.
The more I get rid of them, the better I
feel and the noises are next to none!!!
Again, you all do what you like. I'm just
sharing my experience with Paragone, by
Renew Life.
Thumb, I can understand your skeptism, but
do your research! It was hard for me to
believe I have parasites. My hubby didn't
believe me either. He now believes it,
because he's experiencing how much better
he feels!
Parasites are real!!!!! They are not
going to be easy to get rid of. You have
a battle on your hand. I plan to keep
fighting until I'm 100% cured!
Gettingthere,
Continue to do research on parasites, you
will be amazed at what you read. How they
affect your overall health. You are on
the right path to finding what's causing
the noises. Parasites go hand in hand to
many problems, like candida, IBS, etc...
Stay on the parasite path.
I'm no doctor, but I know my body better
than anyone in this world!
Good Luck to you all!!!!!
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GrowlGurl
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 71
Keep Going Coheed!!! Posted: 09-15-07 22:26pm
coheed
wrote:
that's interesting,
Gettingthere,
Seems like all stomach issues just get
labeled IBS because they are so difficult
to diagnose?
However though, for those who are still
skeptical... we're all skeptical. Even
Growlgurl has mentioned slight doubts at
times. But you know, it's a lot better
than doing nothing and from my own
experience (I just finished a box today),
I'm feeling for the first time in four
years (which is nothing compared to some
people here) that I'm alright. And that I
can sit through a movie, or go on a date,
or handle .. god forbid, a quiet exam or
classroom.
In short, I don't give a bless WHAT I
have. If this Paragone is working,
regardless of if it's parasites or not,
then I'm going to keep doing it. If it
works, I'm doing it. And it's working. So
please, don't rule it out because other
things haven't worked for you. I shouldn't
be so worked up about it, but I have hated
this problem more than anything, and I'd
hate to see someone else give up just
because of some label disputes. Good
Luck!!!!!!
I'm so glad that it's working for you!!!
Keep going, don't give up!!! Parasites
are almost impossible to diagnose!!! I
believe that's why soooooo many people
have IBS, so the doctors say. WE ALL JUST
MIGHT BE FULL OF PARASITES!
Are you resting for 5 days and then
starting another box? If so, great!!!
I just finished my 2nd box. I'm on break
for now. I will start another one around
the 25th(full moon time). If I were you,
I would make sure that you start your 2nd
box around that time too. That's when the
eggs hatch.
Coheed, Keep going the parasite
route...Ibs my foot. I know I don't have
IBS..
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gettingthere
Supporter
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 09-16-07 15:21pm
coheed
wrote:
that's interesting,
Gettingthere,
Seems like all stomach issues just get
labeled IBS because they are so difficult
to diagnose?
I'd hate to see someone else give up just
because of some label disputes. Good
Luck!!!!!!
Yeah, I think IBS is just another label
for their "I don't know category"
Anyway, in a way I'm happy that I do have
a problem. Otherwise, I thought that this
was just the way I was. And it wasn't only
the physical aspects, I felt so horrible
mentally. I used to feel like I didn't
have any control over my body, because I
couldn't control the noises and in the
same way I felt like I had no control over
my mind.
And yeah, on days when I can keep the
problem to a manageable level I feel so
much better. Both physically and mentally.
Nicer, calmer, lighter, less grumpy, less
angry, not scaring people away , happier, less
depressed, more energy, better health,
find that less food satisfies my hunger,
etc... Otherwise, there were days that I
could eat a lot, I mean a lot and still be
exhausted, starving, so underweight that
look like I starve and still have these
noises, let alone, diarrhoea,
constipation, weight loss
To think "Parasites" caused all this...
And for so long...
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coheed
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 119
Posted: 09-17-07 09:33am
I'm glad your feeling a lot better,
Gettingthere. Really changes a lot more
about you than just your stomach problems,
hm? Yay!
Growgurl, I'm on the five day break right
now. Wondering what to expect, did you get
any noises or regress at all when you were
on the 5 day break? Or even now while
you're waiting for your third box?
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GrowlGurl
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 71
Posted: 09-17-07 11:22am
coheed
wrote:
I'm glad your feeling a lot
better, Gettingthere. Really changes a lot
more about you than just your stomach
problems, hm? Yay!
Growgurl, I'm on the five day break right
now. Wondering what to expect, did you get
any noises or regress at all when you were
on the 5 day break? Or even now while
you're waiting for your third
box?
The noises are next to none like if I was
on Paragone. When I'm on my 5 day break,
I do take the diced organic garlic
sometimes, and drink pineapple juice, not
as often as I use to, but I try to test
the noises as much as possible to make
sure the Paragone is working.
Make sure you are taking lots of
probiotics to build the good bacteria.
Try to keep your body as anti-parasitic as
possible. Parasites hate pineapples,
pumpkin seeds, and garlic. Eat some of
these items while you are on your 5 day
break. Don't forget to drink plenty of
water and make sure your bowels are moving
regularly too.
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jen07
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 53 Location: UK
Posted: 09-18-07 08:23am
Hi all,
Im so happy to have found this website. I
apologise in advance for this long
message, i've been very alone with this
for 8 years now i've finally found people
who understand what im going through! My
story is that i was diagnosed with crohn's
disease 10 years ago, i always thought the
noises were associated with that but all
my other symptoms have gone, i get little
to no pain, diarrhoea,sickness etc etc. Im
now left with these noises which are so
socailly debilitating.
My stomach growls like crazy when im
hungry, then after ive eaten it makes
horrendous noises while my food digests
and then in the afternoon and evening i
get lots of gas, which if i hold in makes
my bowels sound like they're about to
errupt!
I've had to go part time in work as i
couldn't cope with sitting in a silent
office 8 hours a day, i swear i was on the
way to a nervous breakdown.
I have some control over the noise and
have found the following tricks work:
*20 mins on the toilet as soon as i wake
up
*porridge for brekfast
*a further 30 minutes BM to be completely
empty (you can imagine how frustrating
this is as i have to do it every day,
except weekends when im free from the
quiet room torture!)
*i have a snack (usually cereal bar) mid
morning to stop the hunger growls
*the only lunch i have found which keeps
the noises down in the afternoon is
oatcakes and cottage chese
*i found not eating wheat or junk food
helps though this is very boring
That's it im afraid, i wish i had more to
offer. The thought of having this for ever
scares the hell out of me. Wierdly, i've
never discussed it with my doctor, i just
know he'll say 'it's normal' or it's part
of my crohn's but i know for a fact it's
not normal and i feel in myself that this
isn't caused by inflammation. I know i
must see my doctor but i can't face it,
it's my last shread of hope that he'd have
an answer for me and once that goes, i'll
be left with nothing.
Sorry to sound so depressing. I have a
wonderful life and im very blessed in many
ways but im so limited in what i can do
and i hate letting people down, lying to
get out of things and just the constant
mental drain of it. It's ALWAYS on my
mind.
The ladies doing the paragone, i know you
feel like you keep repeating yourself but
im very interested to hear that this is
helping you. Could you possible just tell
me what your symptoms were again? Id be
very grateful.
I can't imagine how much joy i would get
from being able to go to the theatre or
cinema or to a friends house for lunch, i
did all that once and something must be
causing this, it's just finding out
what??xx
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GrowlGurl
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 71
Posted: 09-18-07 08:43am
jen07
wrote:
Hi all,
The ladies doing the paragone, i know you
feel like you keep repeating yourself but
im very interested to hear that this is
helping you. Could you possible just tell
me what your symptoms were again? Id be
very grateful.
I can't imagine how much joy i would get
from being able to go to the theatre or
cinema or to a friends house for lunch, i
did all that once and something must be
causing this, it's just finding out
what??xx
My symptoms were the same as yours, LOUD
embarrassing stomach noises prior to
taking the Paragone, by Renew Life. Since
being on Paragone for more than a month my
noises are next to none, and I can sit
quietly in my cubical without being
embarrassed. I can also eat whatever I
want. No diet here.
I would highly recommend you try the
Paragone, by Renew Life. You can purchase
it online or at any Health Food Store.
Make sure your get the "Paragone" not the
"Parastroy" or anything else. "Paragone"
is what is working for me. I'm not 100%
free of the noises that I feel are being
caused by parasites, but I'm 95-97%
better! I'm not a mental case anymore,
like I use to be. I was so miserable and
depressed. I know exactly what you are
going through!
Give Paragone a try, you have nothing to
lose! Also, research parasites.
Good Luck!
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jen07
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 53 Location: UK
Posted: 09-18-07 09:41am
Thanks for replying. I would love to try
paragone but my first stop will have to be
my doctor as im on medication for my
crohn's. I can't start taking anything
else without checking it's safe to take
along with my meds. Im very anxious about
aggrivating my condtion.
I've been reading up on low carb diets
too, i definately have less noise when i
don't eat bread/pasta etc. so im wondering
if it's an intolerance to something. Also,
im getting so much wind-does anyone know
if this is a bacteria imbalance problem?
Im taking probiotic yoguhrt drinks but
they dont seem to help.
I never thought i'd say this but i really
hope i've got parasites! I would be the
happiest person alive if i found a
solution to this, i just don't know where
to start!x
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coheed
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 119
Posted: 09-18-07 10:45am
Hey Jen,
basically the same symptoms... just a sort
of bubbly or gassy feeling in my
intestines, stomach or ribs almost ALL the
time. I never felt like my stomach was
quiet, never ever. It always felt...light?
Or something. With the Paragone, my
stomach feels 'weighted' or solid. I don't
know how to express that correctly, but
just that it feels RIGHT.
the gas dropped by almost 95% with the
Paragone, same as noises, just everything.
Going to the bathroom was also a lot more
consistent and easier.
My only concern is the breaks that
Paragone suggests in between doses. I'm on
a break now and the anxiety and depression
that I felt before has come back like a
deluge. It's mental.. the noises and such
aren't nearly as bad, but the thought of
them coming back for these few days is
leaving me on edge this week. Still doing
the pumpkin seeds and Garlic as suggested
though!
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jen07
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 53 Location: UK
Posted: 09-18-07 11:58am
Good luck with the break coheed, just
think, if you coped with it for so long
before, you'll cope with the next few
days. While i hate to read that others are
going through all this it's comforting to
know that the anxiety i feel is normal in
the situations im faced with. I sometimes
think im really stupid getting so nervous
all the time but it's so embarrasing and
uncomfortable. I could write pages and
pages about the experiences i've had over
the last 8 years with it. Im really fed up
and i owe it to myself to get to the
bottom of it (excuse the pun). I've just
got to find the courage to talk to my
doctor, i just know he wont do anything. I
think the key to mine is diet. I tend to
go mad at the weekend and eat 'naughty'
food, pasta, cake, pizza, i get such bad
cravings after being'good' all week, but
then i spend the weekend feeling rubbish
and not sleeping because the noises keep
me awake. Having said all that, i still
feel rubbish in the week when i eat
sensibly, just less rubbish. Sorry, im
rambling now!x
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jen07
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 53 Location: UK
Posted: 09-18-07 12:03pm
Forgot to say, i totally understand when
you say your stomach feels 'right'. It's
so hard to explain but i say my stomch
feels 'off' when it's very bad. At the
weekend i went to see my mum and dad and
sat quitely for 15minutes, no noise, my
stomach/bowels felt 'right' and i was so
relaxed and comfortable. I don't know why
i felt good then but i really miss feeling
like that x
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coheed
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 119
Posted: 09-19-07 09:11am
haha, that pun made me laugh.
Yeah, you're right... if i've dealt for
almost 5 years already... whats give days?
it's just the anxiety kills me, I hate it
with a passion. I also have felt stupid
getting so worked up over the noises, but
it is uncontrollable. In both ways, maybe
it's that lack of ultimate control that
bothers us so much.
ahh.... good luck with your doctor though!
don't be too disappointed when they tell
you everything they've already told you
and us before.. :/
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Coast
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 41 Location: California
Posted: 09-21-07 13:00pm
hey guys...I have been very busy lately
and haven't gotten around to starting
paragone yet. One thing I am very worried
about with paragone is the garlic. I'll do
anything to get rid of my stomach noises,
but I also don't want to smell like
garlic...