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coheed

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Posted: 09-13-07 08:55am

I know, I gave in and ate pizza last night... lol
lots of it.
Shocked
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gettingthere

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Posted: 09-13-07 16:05pm

I was wondering, does garlic actually kill the parasites? What does it do in connection with parasites?

Does anybody know?

A while ago, I started taking 3 cloves ( cut into pieces and swallowed with water ) every night before going to bed. The next day I would be perfectly fine till around the evening. I tried this 3 days in a row for sure and every day the noises/flutters would start at the same time of the day. I calculated it, and found that 3 cloves of garlic was enough to keep my stomach quiet for almost 18 hours. If I took the garlic an hour or so earlier, the noises would start an hour or so earlier, and if I took the garlic a few hours later, the noises would start that many hours later.

Something interesting... Because it was so exact.
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coheed

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Posted: 09-14-07 17:13pm

I've had similar success with the garlic.. though it was more of an immediate response for me that I noticed (unless it was just coincidence). That would be interesting to look into.
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Posted: 09-14-07 17:15pm

Please be careful with the garlic. You may not know it because you may not smell it, but people who eat garlic give off a very strong odor of, well, garlic. I have to be around someone who does eat garlic like this plus she takes garlic pills and it is offensive to be near here as her body literally secrets the garlic smell in a way I cannot describe.
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Re: Question About Those Parasite Cleansers
Posted: 09-15-07 18:44pm

GrowlGurl wrote:

There is no "added stool ingredient" in Paragone that I know of, like there is in the Colonix. Paragone is strictly a parasite cleanser, and it balances the intestinal flora, not a colon cleanser.

A lot of people feel that Colonix produces 'parasite things' from the colon cleasing ingredients. I'm not sure, but I do know that Colonix contains senna, cascara(laxatives) that could be mistaken as 'parasites.' I have no experience with Dr.Natura's Colonix. Like I have mentioned before, I don't like taking the laxatives daily, and that's the main focus with the Colonix. It's more of a colon cleanser.(IMO). I chose "Paragone" instead.

Also, I don't know what you mean about "soon after taking a dietary supplement?" I didn't see results until 5 days after starting Paragone. Since, I've been on the second box, I'm seeing the eggs, seeds, and small worms.


What I was suggesting, GrowlGurl, is that the things you are seeing in your stool might come from the Paragone itself. If you started taking the Paragone and soon after you started seeing 'eggs' and other interesting things in your stool, it's a much simpler explanation to think that some ingredient in the Paragone (either one that's listed as an active ingredient or one that isn't listed at all) may be causing this rather dramatic confirmation of a problem that you really only have their word on having in the first place. I'm suggesting there might be an ingredient in the Paragone purposefully added to look like eggs, worms, and whatever in order to create the illusion of therapeutic benefit.

That's why I was interested in whether the product actually makes you feel better or not. In the end, that's the only thing that matters anyway.

And, just FYI, Paragone lists cascara (one of the laxatives you mentioned you didn't want to take) as one of its main ingredients.

Despite my skepticism, I hope it works.
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gettingthere

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Posted: 09-15-07 20:49pm

Regarding the garlic, one thing I would like to suggest is to NOT TAKE IT ON AN EMPTY STOMACH. It will burn like anything. The last time I took it, my stomach burned like crazy and so I drank a glass of milk and it helped.

I really do agree with the fact that our problem might be due to parasites. Apparently, Candidiasis, Leaky Gut Syndrome and Parasites are linked in one way or the other. If you have one of them you are likely to have the other.

And parasites can also cause IBS and food allergies, so its very probable that they might be the cause. Makes sense...
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coheed

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Posted: 09-15-07 22:14pm

that's interesting, Gettingthere,
Seems like all stomach issues just get labeled IBS because they are so difficult to diagnose?

However though, for those who are still skeptical... we're all skeptical. Even Growlgurl has mentioned slight doubts at times. But you know, it's a lot better than doing nothing and from my own experience (I just finished a box today), I'm feeling for the first time in four years (which is nothing compared to some people here) that I'm alright. And that I can sit through a movie, or go on a date, or handle .. god forbid, a quiet exam or classroom.

In short, I don't give a damn WHAT I have. If this Paragone is working, regardless of if it's parasites or not, then I'm going to keep doing it. If it works, I'm doing it. And it's working. So please, don't rule it out because other things haven't worked for you. I shouldn't be so worked up about it, but I have hated this problem more than anything, and I'd hate to see someone else give up just because of some label disputes. Good Luck!!!!!!
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GrowlGurl

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Paragone Is An Option, Not Mandatory
Posted: 09-15-07 22:15pm

thumb,

I'm sitting here reading the ingredients on the Paragone box, it doesn't contain cascara. I'm talking about Paragone from Renew Life.

FYI...my post are starting to be redundant, and I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over. Paragone is working great for my stomach noises. I don't alter diet or anything. My noises are 95-97% better, like I mentioned in my LAST post! So it is WORKING.

Paragone is an option. I'm sharing what is working for me, and we all seem to have the SAME problem.

Parasites cause all kinds of problems in the digestive tract. If you don't believe ME, then do your own research.

FYI...What I see in my stools are real. The more I get rid of them, the better I feel and the noises are next to none!!!

Again, you all do what you like. I'm just sharing my experience with Paragone, by Renew Life.

Thumb, I can understand your skeptism, but do your research! It was hard for me to believe I have parasites. My hubby didn't believe me either. He now believes it, because he's experiencing how much better he feels!

Parasites are real!!!!! They are not going to be easy to get rid of. You have a battle on your hand. I plan to keep fighting until I'm 100% cured!

Gettingthere,

Continue to do research on parasites, you will be amazed at what you read. How they affect your overall health. You are on the right path to finding what's causing the noises. Parasites go hand in hand to many problems, like candida, IBS, etc... Stay on the parasite path.

I'm no doctor, but I know my body better than anyone in this world!

Good Luck to you all!!!!!
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GrowlGurl

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Keep Going Coheed!!!
Posted: 09-15-07 22:26pm

coheed wrote:
that's interesting, Gettingthere,
Seems like all stomach issues just get labeled IBS because they are so difficult to diagnose?

However though, for those who are still skeptical... we're all skeptical. Even Growlgurl has mentioned slight doubts at times. But you know, it's a lot better than doing nothing and from my own experience (I just finished a box today), I'm feeling for the first time in four years (which is nothing compared to some people here) that I'm alright. And that I can sit through a movie, or go on a date, or handle .. god forbid, a quiet exam or classroom.

In short, I don't give a bless WHAT I have. If this Paragone is working, regardless of if it's parasites or not, then I'm going to keep doing it. If it works, I'm doing it. And it's working. So please, don't rule it out because other things haven't worked for you. I shouldn't be so worked up about it, but I have hated this problem more than anything, and I'd hate to see someone else give up just because of some label disputes. Good Luck!!!!!!


I'm so glad that it's working for you!!! Keep going, don't give up!!! Parasites are almost impossible to diagnose!!! I believe that's why soooooo many people have IBS, so the doctors say. WE ALL JUST MIGHT BE FULL OF PARASITES!

Are you resting for 5 days and then starting another box? If so, great!!!

I just finished my 2nd box. I'm on break for now. I will start another one around the 25th(full moon time). If I were you, I would make sure that you start your 2nd box around that time too. That's when the eggs hatch.

Coheed, Keep going the parasite route...Ibs my foot. I know I don't have IBS..
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gettingthere

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Posted: 09-16-07 15:21pm

coheed wrote:
that's interesting, Gettingthere,
Seems like all stomach issues just get labeled IBS because they are so difficult to diagnose?

I'd hate to see someone else give up just because of some label disputes. Good Luck!!!!!!


Yeah, I think IBS is just another label for their "I don't know category" Smile

Anyway, in a way I'm happy that I do have a problem. Otherwise, I thought that this was just the way I was. And it wasn't only the physical aspects, I felt so horrible mentally. I used to feel like I didn't have any control over my body, because I couldn't control the noises and in the same way I felt like I had no control over my mind.


And yeah, on days when I can keep the problem to a manageable level I feel so much better. Both physically and mentally. Nicer, calmer, lighter, less grumpy, less angry, not scaring people away Smile, happier, less depressed, more energy, better health, find that less food satisfies my hunger, etc... Otherwise, there were days that I could eat a lot, I mean a lot and still be exhausted, starving, so underweight that look like I starve and still have these noises, let alone, diarrhoea, constipation, weight loss

To think "Parasites" caused all this... And for so long...
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coheed

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Posted: 09-17-07 09:33am

I'm glad your feeling a lot better, Gettingthere. Really changes a lot more about you than just your stomach problems, hm? Yay!

Growgurl, I'm on the five day break right now. Wondering what to expect, did you get any noises or regress at all when you were on the 5 day break? Or even now while you're waiting for your third box?
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GrowlGurl

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Posted: 09-17-07 11:22am

coheed wrote:
I'm glad your feeling a lot better, Gettingthere. Really changes a lot more about you than just your stomach problems, hm? Yay!

Growgurl, I'm on the five day break right now. Wondering what to expect, did you get any noises or regress at all when you were on the 5 day break? Or even now while you're waiting for your third box?


The noises are next to none like if I was on Paragone. When I'm on my 5 day break, I do take the diced organic garlic sometimes, and drink pineapple juice, not as often as I use to, but I try to test the noises as much as possible to make sure the Paragone is working.

Make sure you are taking lots of probiotics to build the good bacteria. Try to keep your body as anti-parasitic as possible. Parasites hate pineapples, pumpkin seeds, and garlic. Eat some of these items while you are on your 5 day break. Don't forget to drink plenty of water and make sure your bowels are moving regularly too.
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jen07

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Posted: 09-18-07 08:23am

Hi all,

Im so happy to have found this website. I apologise in advance for this long message, i've been very alone with this for 8 years now i've finally found people who understand what im going through! My story is that i was diagnosed with crohn's disease 10 years ago, i always thought the noises were associated with that but all my other symptoms have gone, i get little to no pain, diarrhoea,sickness etc etc. Im now left with these noises which are so socailly debilitating.

My stomach growls like crazy when im hungry, then after ive eaten it makes horrendous noises while my food digests and then in the afternoon and evening i get lots of gas, which if i hold in makes my bowels sound like they're about to errupt!

I've had to go part time in work as i couldn't cope with sitting in a silent office 8 hours a day, i swear i was on the way to a nervous breakdown.

I have some control over the noise and have found the following tricks work:

*20 mins on the toilet as soon as i wake up
*porridge for brekfast
*a further 30 minutes BM to be completely empty (you can imagine how frustrating this is as i have to do it every day, except weekends when im free from the quiet room torture!)
*i have a snack (usually cereal bar) mid morning to stop the hunger growls
*the only lunch i have found which keeps the noises down in the afternoon is oatcakes and cottage chese
*i found not eating wheat or junk food helps though this is very boring

That's it im afraid, i wish i had more to offer. The thought of having this for ever scares the hell out of me. Wierdly, i've never discussed it with my doctor, i just know he'll say 'it's normal' or it's part of my crohn's but i know for a fact it's not normal and i feel in myself that this isn't caused by inflammation. I know i must see my doctor but i can't face it, it's my last shread of hope that he'd have an answer for me and once that goes, i'll be left with nothing.

Sorry to sound so depressing. I have a wonderful life and im very blessed in many ways but im so limited in what i can do and i hate letting people down, lying to get out of things and just the constant mental drain of it. It's ALWAYS on my mind.

The ladies doing the paragone, i know you feel like you keep repeating yourself but im very interested to hear that this is helping you. Could you possible just tell me what your symptoms were again? Id be very grateful.

I can't imagine how much joy i would get from being able to go to the theatre or cinema or to a friends house for lunch, i did all that once and something must be causing this, it's just finding out what??xx
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GrowlGurl

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Posted: 09-18-07 08:43am

jen07 wrote:
Hi all,

The ladies doing the paragone, i know you feel like you keep repeating yourself but im very interested to hear that this is helping you. Could you possible just tell me what your symptoms were again? Id be very grateful.

I can't imagine how much joy i would get from being able to go to the theatre or cinema or to a friends house for lunch, i did all that once and something must be causing this, it's just finding out what??xx


My symptoms were the same as yours, LOUD embarrassing stomach noises prior to taking the Paragone, by Renew Life. Since being on Paragone for more than a month my noises are next to none, and I can sit quietly in my cubical without being embarrassed. I can also eat whatever I want. No diet here.

I would highly recommend you try the Paragone, by Renew Life. You can purchase it online or at any Health Food Store. Make sure your get the "Paragone" not the "Parastroy" or anything else. "Paragone" is what is working for me. I'm not 100% free of the noises that I feel are being caused by parasites, but I'm 95-97% better! I'm not a mental case anymore, like I use to be. I was so miserable and depressed. I know exactly what you are going through!

Give Paragone a try, you have nothing to lose! Also, research parasites.

Good Luck!
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jen07

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Posted: 09-18-07 09:41am

Thanks for replying. I would love to try paragone but my first stop will have to be my doctor as im on medication for my crohn's. I can't start taking anything else without checking it's safe to take along with my meds. Im very anxious about aggrivating my condtion.

I've been reading up on low carb diets too, i definately have less noise when i don't eat bread/pasta etc. so im wondering if it's an intolerance to something. Also, im getting so much wind-does anyone know if this is a bacteria imbalance problem? Im taking probiotic yoguhrt drinks but they dont seem to help.

I never thought i'd say this but i really hope i've got parasites! I would be the happiest person alive if i found a solution to this, i just don't know where to start!x
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coheed

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Posted: 09-18-07 10:45am

Hey Jen,

basically the same symptoms... just a sort of bubbly or gassy feeling in my intestines, stomach or ribs almost ALL the time. I never felt like my stomach was quiet, never ever. It always felt...light? Or something. With the Paragone, my stomach feels 'weighted' or solid. I don't know how to express that correctly, but just that it feels RIGHT.

the gas dropped by almost 95% with the Paragone, same as noises, just everything. Going to the bathroom was also a lot more consistent and easier.

My only concern is the breaks that Paragone suggests in between doses. I'm on a break now and the anxiety and depression that I felt before has come back like a deluge. It's mental.. the noises and such aren't nearly as bad, but the thought of them coming back for these few days is leaving me on edge this week. Still doing the pumpkin seeds and Garlic as suggested though!
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jen07

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Posted: 09-18-07 11:58am

Good luck with the break coheed, just think, if you coped with it for so long before, you'll cope with the next few days. While i hate to read that others are going through all this it's comforting to know that the anxiety i feel is normal in the situations im faced with. I sometimes think im really stupid getting so nervous all the time but it's so embarrasing and uncomfortable. I could write pages and pages about the experiences i've had over the last 8 years with it. Im really fed up and i owe it to myself to get to the bottom of it (excuse the pun). I've just got to find the courage to talk to my doctor, i just know he wont do anything. I think the key to mine is diet. I tend to go mad at the weekend and eat 'naughty' food, pasta, cake, pizza, i get such bad cravings after being'good' all week, but then i spend the weekend feeling rubbish and not sleeping because the noises keep me awake. Having said all that, i still feel rubbish in the week when i eat sensibly, just less rubbish. Sorry, im rambling now!x
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jen07

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Posted: 09-18-07 12:03pm

Forgot to say, i totally understand when you say your stomach feels 'right'. It's so hard to explain but i say my stomch feels 'off' when it's very bad. At the weekend i went to see my mum and dad and sat quitely for 15minutes, no noise, my stomach/bowels felt 'right' and i was so relaxed and comfortable. I don't know why i felt good then but i really miss feeling like that x
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coheed

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Posted: 09-19-07 09:11am

haha, that pun made me laugh.

Yeah, you're right... if i've dealt for almost 5 years already... whats give days? it's just the anxiety kills me, I hate it with a passion. I also have felt stupid getting so worked up over the noises, but it is uncontrollable. In both ways, maybe it's that lack of ultimate control that bothers us so much.

ahh.... good luck with your doctor though! don't be too disappointed when they tell you everything they've already told you and us before.. :/
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Posted: 09-21-07 13:00pm

hey guys...I have been very busy lately and haven't gotten around to starting paragone yet. One thing I am very worried about with paragone is the garlic. I'll do anything to get rid of my stomach noises, but I also don't want to smell like garlic...Sad
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