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mumof2
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Idababy- Christians....
Posted: 09-24-04 13:25pm
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Not a sermon....... Read it all.....
Ok..... You asked if it were a sin to
have sex b4 you were married.....
The simple answer is yes.........
Will you go to hell if you do have sex
befor you are married.........
The simple answer is yes..........
But wait there is
more.....................
Almost every thing we do is a sin..... To
lie is a sin.... To swear is a sin....
To be disobediant to your parents.....
Your elders..... A sin...... To be
wasteful..... Unforgiving....... Even
menstrating is by biblical standards a
sin.......
Now here is the trick that my grandmother
( a staunch catholic) taught
me..........
You can do every thing that you want, as
long as it does not harm others and is not
illegal or morally corrupt, as long as
when you die you repent....
The lord is forgiving..... So if you
repent b4 you die god will forgive you and
you will be welcomed into
heaven...........
God is also vengful, so if you dont repent
you will go to hell..........., so make
sure that when he becons you ask his
forgiveness..........
Hehe...... Look, do what you like......
But thats my plan.... I intend to live my
life in a manner that best suits me, but
in the end I know that essentually if
there is a god he will see that I was a
good mother and lover, and that I have
raised my children to be honest and
careing people..... And thats what I was
put on this earth to do.....
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Michelle1337
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Posted: 09-24-04 13:34pm
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Just a question....
You believe that if you repent before you
die you will go to heaven?
Okay think about this...
Suicide is also a sin, will suicidal
people go to heaven?
What if your suddenly jumped and you dont
have time to repent because get shot?
Will .God not take those people who died
before they had a chance to repent to
heaven?
What if your in a car accident and you
cuss right before you hit the car and die?
Will .God turn away his children because
of that?
I could go on, but I will choose to leave
it at this...Repenting will not get you to
heaven. Only a personaly relationship
with .God will.
Just something to think about.
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tweety12986
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Posted: 09-24-04 13:45pm
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No if you commit suicide you go to hell
because that is the only sin god wont
forgive you for... I remember that from
when I was younger and the pastor said
that.
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mumof2
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Posted: 09-24-04 13:52pm
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Hay hay I was just trying to say that
religion is all how you think of it......
If you believe that you will go to hell
because you have done something that a
book says you shouldnt than you probably
will.....
As I said god is forgiving, if you take
him into your heart and keep him there
than there is no reason to fear because he
knows that you are acting in his
image..... He is all of our ultimate
father and like all fathers god knows what
is inside our hearts..... You do not
need to actually physically ask for
forgiveness as long as that intent is
there........
But if god is turned away from your heart
and all your acts are done to spite him
than just like any other father god will
eventually turn you away to do what you
please, but like any father when asked for
forgiveness he will always welcome his
children home.......
Michelle I pose this to you..... We are
all born with original sin, babies, those
not on this earth long enough to build a
"personal " relationship with
god.......Will they not get in to
heaven......... What I am saying is that
repenting is in the heart not in words or
actions...... And a feeling takes a
millisecond.......
Last edited by mumof2 on 09-24-04 13:57pm; edited 1 time in total
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babyrae
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Posted: 09-24-04 13:55pm
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One thing I hate hearing (this is in no
reference to ur post mumof2 but I just
hafta get it off my chest! Lol!) is that
those who do drugs, or smoke marijuana or
drink underage will go to hell... Becuz
this is n.O.T t.R.U.E.
Sorry had ot get that out lol!
Shauna
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kitty_55
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Posted: 09-24-04 13:56pm
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I dont know anything about any
relgion(sp?) I dont belive if u sin u will
go to hell.... Like honestly I dont care
if I go to heaven or hell ur dead!! I am
.N.O.T. Reglous(sp?) at all....
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mumof2
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Posted: 09-24-04 14:05pm
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I headge my bets.......If there is a god
ill repent and go to heaven..... Cause
thats the way it works.... I know because
the bible tells me so.......
If there isn't than I have done every
thing that I wanted to do and once I am
dead I wont even care any way!!!!!! Hehe
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Michelle1337
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Posted: 09-24-04 14:14pm
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The bible says that the children are
innocent in .God's eyes. So therefore,
babies....Those who have not personally
sinned. Will go to heaven...
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mumof2
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Posted: 09-24-04 14:23pm
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No the bible says we are all born with
o.R.I.G.I.N.A.L sin.......... As stated
b4 you repent with your heart and not your
head......
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lauren22
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Posted: 09-24-04 14:53pm
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To be a christian you have to understand
and be able to acknowledge that god sent
his son to earth to die on a cross for you
sins and without him you will be held
accountable for those sins. So naturally,
babies cant do that! They are not capable
of thinking like that or understanding.
So god views those children as innocent.
So...Do I think babies and very young
children go to heaven without accepting
christ?? Absolutely!
Ok so we have established that all sins
are equal...Whether you tell a little lie
or you kill someone...A sin is a sin is a
sin! So....Where do you get the idea that
there is an unforgiveable sin? You said
suicide is the only unforgiveable
thing....Could you tell me where you found
that!
An encouragement to all of you...Dont ever
believe something just because someone
tells you thats whats right! I dont
believe in god and have a relationship
with him because I sit in church and have
someone
tell me what to believe. You need to
search for answers yourself....Get into
the bible and see what you find!
Like michelle was saying...Being a
christian is not just repenting for your
sins. Its so much more than that! It
would be impossible to know every single
one of your sins! You have to have a
personal relationship with god!
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mumof2
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Posted: 09-24-04 15:09pm
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I never said that there were unforgivable
sins that was tweety.........
Now I have also never said that babies
dont go to heaven without accepting god
and christ,.........
I have said that god resides in my heart
and that you do not have to have a
personal relationship with god to get to
heaven.... I have said that to get to
heaven all you have to do is
w>h>e>n god asks you to repent
...... Repent...... Young, old,
catholic or athiast if when you die you
are met at the pearly gates and asked ""do
you repent your sins" and you answer yes
with a true heart you will be admitted to
heaven..........
Other wise you are saying that all non
believers will never get the chance to
enter the eternal kindom of
god............ Based completely on the
premise that they had no relationship with
god while they were alive......
There are people who believe that they
know how the system works, then there are
people like me who chose to believe that
every one will be given an oppertunity if
there even is one to take........
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lauren22
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Posted: 09-24-04 15:14pm
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Yes everyone will have the opportunity
but...You're opportunity is now! You wont
be asked that at the gates of heaven!
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mumof2
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Posted: 09-24-04 15:18pm
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Oh and it seems we are speaking on a
spiritual level here, so bless them all,
once we die we are no longer who we were
in life, but become "greater beings" so
babies can chose at those pearly gates to
accept god or turn their
backs...........
God is not in a book, a building or an
institution......... He is in
e>a>c>h of our
h>e>a>r>t>s with or with
out our knowledge......... For god is
kindness, and in each act of kindness is
god
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smith8500
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Posted: 09-24-04 15:20pm
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| lauren22
wrote: | | yes everyone will have the
opportunity but...You're opportunity is
now! You wont be asked that at the gates
of heaven! |
i'm not gettin into any of it, but I do
agree with this post. You won't be asked
later. Now is your time to act.
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mumof2
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Posted: 09-24-04 15:32pm
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Once again I have to dissagree.......
My oppertunity will not be taken from me
because I refuse to say a prayer every
time I swear..........
I chose to treat others around me with
kindness and raise my children with
respect.
I chose to live my life the best way that
I see fit.
I do not steal, kill or misstreat any
one.....
And I chose to ask for forgiveness when I
die other wise id be asking for
forgiveness every ten minutes and twice as
much on sunday......
I do not preach.....
Idababy asked if it were a sin to have pre
marital intrecourse, I answered honestly,
yes it is....... But it does not mean
that she will go to hell.....
As long as she repents if there is a god
and he asks her to.
In your idea of religion my children are
bound for hell as they were born out side
of wedlock, in my idea of religion any one
can start believing when ever they decide
to and god will welcome them with open
arms.....
So here is your chance........
Stop trying to change the way I chose to
believe.......
I accept that you believe your way.......
Either way I will see you in
heaven......... Cause I think that both
ways we will all make it there......
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smith8500
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Posted: 09-24-04 15:41pm
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You don't have to ask fro forgivness every
time you sin. It's what is in your heart
that matters. Not what you say. It's
what's inside you.
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linuxChique
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Posted: 09-24-04 16:03pm
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| tweety12986
wrote: | | no if you commit suicide you
go to hell because that is the only sin
god wont forgive you for... I remember
that from when I was younger and the
pastor said
that. |
i'd love to see a reputable source for
that info, other than "some pastor told
me," because in the .Bible, it clearly
says that the rejection of the holy spirit
is the only unforgivable sin. This is
found in matthew 12:31-32, mark3:29, and
luke12:10, just to name a few.
Specifically, the verse in matthew, in
which matthew is quoting .Jesus talking,
says "therefore I tell you, every sin and
blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the
blasphemy against the spirit will not be
forgiven. And whoever says a word against
the son of man will be forgiven; but
whoever speaks against the holy spirit
will not be forgiven, either in this age
or in the age to come."
god most certainly will forgive suicide,
and he tells us right there that he will.
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Kia
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Posted: 09-25-04 07:20am
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After all these posts involving religion
cropping up, I think the simple answer is
to believe what you personally feel is
true and of value for yourself.
Let's assume that christianity is the
correct path to follow, then it is said
that this god will not turn his children
away in time of need. It is said that he
will not limit your chances ie 3 strikes
and you're out.
If this is anything to go by he will give
you every possible last chance.
Even if that means coming back as a spirit
to repent for your sins in life, even if
that means being held in limbo before the
final choice being made on your fate.
Supposedly he will take into consideration
your entire life, does the good outweigh
the bad.
Supposedly he is omnipotent therefore it
is only the will of the church that you
worship there, god is everywhere he does
not care where you worship or how you do
it.
If he is your personal saviour then that
is a private and personal relationship
that devlops between you both.
This is not my personal take on but is
what religious teachings and writing do
say.
To finish as I started: the only answer is
to follow the path that is correct and
true and of value for you - not for your
friend, not for you church leader, but for
only and enitrlely you!
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2ferano
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Posted: 09-25-04 17:05pm
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Okay no sin is greater than any other.
Therefore, if raping and killing an
innocent child is forgiven then obviously
so is suicide. A lot of people will tell
you that it is not, even priests and
whatnot, but that is up to you to believe
or not.
I believe that suicide is forgiven. If
you are getting ready to commit suicide
and beg the lord forgiveness for what you
are about to do then I believe you will be
forgiven.
However, I do have to add that some people
believe (and it was written like this in
the first post) that you can do whatever
you want as long as you repent later. I
don't believe that god wants us thinking
hmmm, I shouldn't do this, but it's okay
because I will just ask him to forgive me
later. No, we still have to strive to be
good and we have to serve him. Just my
belief though.
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