Difference Between Killing And Abortion

If you consider the fetus to be part of the woman's body, at what point does it become its own body? Until the umbilical cord is detatched?


You said: "you named two women in office. Do you really think that means it is still not male dominated? Whatever."

i said earlier: "there are much more women 'in power' than there ever were before, and there is plenty of opportunity for women who would like to."

"i have no delusions that men still don't dominate many aspects of society. My point is there is nothing holding women back in the us if they so choose to enter those fields."


you said: "that truly is one of the silliest things I have ever heard in my life."

what are you refering to?


"it doesn't matter if you hate the act of abortion or the women who do it because bottom line if you take it away that is just one more right to take away from women."

i don't call for a complete ban, i'm just calling for some protections for the unborn human, and am asking tough questions about the validity of abortion's current legal status. What rights have we taken away from women?


"enough with this senior citizen prolife crap."

what are you talking about?

Until there are more protections for the *born* human, protection for the unborn is fatuous.

Well, mr. Quote man if you would actually read my post then you would know what I meant.
Secondly, yes, women are held back! We cannot just go and get into office! What world are you living in? Honey, I am sure if it were that easy then this wouldn't be a male dominated society anymore. You really need to educate yourself in this matter before trying to debate with us about it.

How can you not consider a fetus part of the women's body? It is made up of all of her parts and dependent on her. Just like a cyst or a tumor. I don't mean to sound ignorant, because pregnancy can be a beautiful thing, but come on now and actually think about this.
The fetus becomes its "own body" (as you put it) when it is legally a human being. After it is born and breathing on its own.

Yeah, there are plenty of women in office then before....There a couple now where there were none before. I would definately not say "plenty"
plenty of opportunity for women who.....Whatever you said.....Whatever. Yeah, there is room for us where the men make room. Usually they just make room to try to make it look like they are actually letting women have a say in what goes on.

We have a long, long way to go before it is even slightly equal and if you don't believe that then try being a woman for a day. Try being a woman pregnant from rape who cannot have an abortion because a man tells her that she cannot.

I never thought about the pro-life tag being negative.I an pro choice,not anti-life.I would never consider having an abortion lightly and would do so if that were the best choice for me at the time.Patty

Come one witl. We are waiting for you to twist everything around.....

Ha ha, i'm flattered, but I have nothing else to say with regards to the direction this thread is going in. I've said what I said on that matter and I have nothing else to add. I don't twist things around as you seem to imply and I do read your entire post when I respond to it.

If you have any specific questions you'd like to post, i'd gladly respond to them directly.

Wow, no twisting?????? I am shocked!

Ahh does someone have their little panties in a knot?? Come here and let mommy make it better. You are total a s s w I p e. Did you get that? I said a s s wi p e. Guess what I had an abortion and I love sex. I mean I would love sex more if men knew what to do with their little weenies by trying to use their little brains. Listen up small dick and listen good.

Women will always have abortions and have sex because it is our power to give life and take it. Not men's. Now i'm sure you're some kind of bible beating health questions so I will use small words so you can understand.

Sit down and shut up. You're backwoods opinions are nothing-nobody cares or is listening. Birth, creation is a woman's power.
Nighty night.

The way tubby talks, reminds me somewhat of samie! A guy wanting to be a girl! I have read over some of tubby's posts.
Tubby, no one will listen to someone like you, some one that is having sex or has had an abortion that you label as a "prostitute" and you really do have a disgusting potty mouth!
You really sound young, immature and you sound as though you have not experienced alot in life, you really sound as though you have a very closed mind and if people do not go along with what you have to say that you get mad, this is how samie acted.
Sincerely,
sandy

Why does everyone have such a hard time believing that a female can be against abortion, be against promiscious, irresponsible sex, and not be a "i am woman hear me roar!" women's liber? Ladies, it isn't that hard to clean up your act, be responsible, and not use abortion as a form of birth control. I'm immature? Well, I think that every woman who chooses abortion is immature. Why is that? Because she is using abortion as a way to run away from responsibility and the reality that what you do in life has consequences. Yes, consequences, ladies. A big part of being a responsible, mature, woman is not being promiscious and not using abortion as a way of erasing a "mistake" out of your mind. That little life inside of a woman has rights too, you know, even though you women don't want to believe it because you want to choose to abort because that is the easy way out of taking responsibility for our actions, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if everything in life could be like abortion, ladies? If we could just throw away our bills and magically not have the bill collectors come after us. Then you ladies wouldn't have to be responsible and actually hold down a steady job. Wouldn't it be nice if the kids you ladies don't abort could come out of the womb being 18 so you would have the right to kick them out and not have to support them? Out of sight, out of mind mentality. That is what abortion is. And once again, babies don't make themselves, why should they be punished for it with abortion? You women don't want to listen to me rant about how wrong and irresponsible abortion is because the right to abort gives you the right to continue to do whatever you want and not have to be held responsible for it. And ladies, admit it, you really don't want any responsibilities in your life, do you?

Dear tubby,you are making assumptions about me that are way off base.I am not a prostitute.I have been in a monogomous relationship for over 11 years.Can you say the same??I am not avoiding any responsibility.I faithfully use birth control so I do not have to have an abortion.If I did want an abortion,i would like to know that I could have one performed by a qualified doctor in a sterile environment,not in some guy's kitchen with unsterile conditions.You are not helping your anti-abortion agenda by calling any woman who is pro-choice a prostitute or any of the other names.Patty

Women like annifant are the ones that make me angry. I'm sorry if I offended you patty, but someone like annifant really makes me go off when they just want to rub my face in the fact that they are going to have sex as they please and have abortions as they please and simply accuse me of being holier than thou or worse, ignorant. Sex isn't wrong when it is used in the right way. Of course, we need sex to reproduce! I'm saying that women are hurting themselves by using sex in the wrong way-by being promiscious and using it as entertainment when they aren't creative enough to entertain their date in any other way. I'm also directing my anger at women who use abortion as birth control, and yes I am biased because i'm prolife, but I also think certain individuals would benefit by trying to see things from my prospective. I will never be able to stop women from having abortions and will never turn everyone prolife, but if I can make a few women stop and think about the way they conduct their lives, I feel as though I could save them from some of the pain and suffering they are going to endure by making wrong choices. Perhaps I come off as being harsh sometimes, but those of you who want to disagree with me don't spare my feelings either! And sometimes I do get provoked by people such as annifant. I commend you for being responsible, patty, and not being promiscious and careless with contraception like some women, and although I don't agree with your prochoice stance, you are taking the necessary measures to avoid an abortion, which is a positive thing.

I do not see abortion as a means of contraception and do not view those that do favorably.Having or not having a child is a very personal matter and just because a woman is capable of bearing children does not make her a good parent,it just makes her fertile!I will not try to change anyone's mind about being pro-choice,so please do not try to change mine!!!Patty

Patty, i'm not saying that just because a woman decides to have the baby and raise it means that she is a wonderful parent. There are women out there who beat and mistreat their kids, and therefore have no business being a parent. I'm not trying to demand any woman who reads my post change her views about being prolife or prochoice, i'm just trying to provoke thought by those who may be on the fence. Patty, did you ever know a woman who had an abortion and dearly regretted it later? Heavens, some women feel so guilty over having one they end up committing suicide. Not every woman who has an abortion ends up being ok with it. Some women can go on with their lives and not really have it affect them that much and some women have a great deal of emotional fallout from it. You don't always know the circumstances surrounding an abortion either. Maybe the woman was young and scared, unable to support the child financially and made a hasty decision. In those cases you don't know how it's going to effect her one month, two months, three months, or even five, ten years down the road. Not every woman ponders her choice to have an abortion for hours on end and ends up being confident with her choice. Some women even face enormous pressure from boyfriends, family, even friends to abort and they are the ones who have to deal with the emotional fallout of it. That is what I am talking about when I say I want to provoke thought in women.

Women can get pregnant after having their tubes tied, being on b/c pill, after getting an iud.
You were saying that sex is about re-producing, I am 52 y/o I have had a complete hysterectomy, I am married, I have sex and I am definitely not trying to re-produce, I am not a prostitute! I have not had an abortion, but I am pro-choice, I have to go help get these children out of these homes that are not fed, cleaned and that are sexually molested that should have been aborted because we can not turn them around and they end up having physical and mental scarring and some do not get helped!
You were talking about going back to the days of the abortion clinics being filthy and the women getting infections and dieing, hello, this does happen in birth too!
Try a reality check!
Sincerely,
sandy

You were saying that some women regret having abortions, what about some women that regret having the baby's and would not think of putting them up for adoption, they just tell them selves that they have to live with their mistakes and they are miserable and they make the child miserable, that is no way to do it either!
Sincerely,
sandy

Amen,sandy!!!Patty