I agree.
I have said before, that if an abortion is being carried out to reduce the total amount of misery or unhappiness, then that cannot be condemned. There is already enough misery, and miserable people on the planet that we don't need to add to it.

Great point!!!Patty

Very, very good points! It all comes down to taking away women's rights.

Isn't it peculiar how a president who is so gung-ho to go to war is soooo opposed to a woman's right to choose??!!And against stem cell research,let's not forget that one!Just a thought.Patty

Yep, they are trying to keep it a man's world! And allowing us to have control over our own bodies is just not acceptable!

Hey thanks for the great responses--how refreshing! I agree, has anyone talked with the soldiers in iraq? They say they shoot anything that moves and that the iraqi civilian deaths are actually in the 100, 000's--i'm not blaming them necessarily--that's what soldiers are trained to do in this militarized country, as in any other military regardless of nationality. But then 'pro-life supporters have the nerve to stand outside abortion clinics and call women (caps) killers!!
I also think anti-abortionist accusations against abortion belittles the magnitude and imporance of birth-the great responsibility, care and love that is required. Sometimes abortion is the most responsible thing to do--i thikn there is an underlying fear of that power women possess. Decisions between birth or abortion are not and never will be black and white and vary from woman to woman. Such decisions are difficult, conflicted and much more complex than 'pro-lifers' realize or express. Anyway, thanks again!!

Exactly.....

My 'disgust' centers around the action of abortion itself, not the women who decide to have it performed.

National security advisor condoleeza rice, senator hillary clinton? Your all male dominated society theory no longer holds much water in the united states. There are much more women "in power" than there ever were before, and there is plenty of opportunity for women who would like to. And, since you expect all "pro-lifers" to single handidly care for every child saved from abortion, why don't you run for public office and change the balance if you care so much and feel that men still hold too much power?

How do you know that there arn't any "pro-life" people who are also anti-war? And I personally wouldn't call myself pro-war, but I realize it is sometimes necessary and can accomplish much good, i.E. Help defend and spread freedom & democracy.

The fetus is not part of the woman's body, it is in her body. While it is dependent upon the mother for the majority of the pregnancy, it is still a separate living being with it's own chromosomes, dna, blood type, etc...

"she is the only one who knows if she has the financial or situational capabilities to raise a child--in a healthy environment."

the woman is the only one? Really, a man would never be capable of determining that, how did the woman get pregnant? That is baloney, plenty of parents have raised numerous children without extraordinary financial capablity or situational capabilities. It's possible, abortion is the easy way out, even if it does save some misery, but you usually can't condemn a person to a life of misery before they are even born, but you can end that life before they are born.

first off, bush was not "gung-ho" about going to war. He realizes the seriousness of his decisions and how much they effect everyone. He is "gung-ho" about defending america, which may or may not involve going to war. That is seriously some simple minded thinking. What makes you say bush is so opposed to a woman's right to choose?

How can bush be against stem cell research when he approved the only governmental funding ever provided for stem stell research? What he did was limit the governmental funding to strands already being researched. He has done nothing to limit private funding for even more stem cell research.

Let's not forget the facts! Just a thought. Dave

abortion destroys another body. Controlling your own body is fine. Destroying someone else's body is just not acceptable!

So the fetus depends on the mother and is attached via an umbilical cord, fine. You say the mother has the right to terminate this being. So if there are siamese twins, but only one twin has a vital organ which the other twin needs to survive, then the first twin has the right to have surgery to be separated and if the second twin can't survive on their own it's their fault or tough luck?

That's actually pretty well established medical practice with siamese twins. If one is entirely dependent on the other's vital organs, they accept that separating will kill one of them.

Look fireman dave, women constitute less than 5% of major government positions and businness executives positions w o r l d w I d e. It is male-dominated but if you're telling me it isn't than you can remain delusional. And you are the one who has to check your facts, stop thinking you're superior and knowledgable when you sound so foolish. Be a good boy. If you really believe bush went to war to defend america than don't waste my time. Because of his close business ties and friendship with the bin ladin family bound by good ol fashion love and oil, he was actually responsible for the 9/11 attacks and the massive bloodshed in iraq. Why did the us support iraq, ie saddam hussein, with arms and money in the iran-iraq war if they were so opposed to hussein's regime??? Where are your values around human life now?
Anyway concerning abortion, my point is; you have no basis for judging abortion, for preaching to women about the life inside them, or thinking you are in the slightest position to give your twisted, backwater opinion because...It is each individual woman's power to birth or abort. And she possesses it with pride and responsibility.

I sound foolish? That is amusing. If I need to check my facts then directly correct what I have said that is wrong, don't just vaguely accuse me.

While that 5% statistic may be true world wide I was refering to the us, where it is a much better situation for women. I have no delusions that men still don't dominate many aspects of society. My point is there is nothing holding women back in the us if they so choose to enter those fields. If you really believe bush is directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks, which was a personal attack on me, my family, my friends, and neighbors, then don't waste my time! How dare you.

George w bush was not in office during the iran-iraq war. At that point in time they deemed him to be the lesser of two evils. How long ago was that? Things change. Why are we economic partners with japan if we dropped two atomic bombs on them and they tortured our pows in wwii? Times change. Now be a good girl.

My values on human life? Saddam had no values, we removed him. We liberated iraq. Yes democracy will be a long and difficult stuggle for a nation ravaged by decades of a brutal dictator.

I have a very simple basis for judging abortion... It's called the truth and facts. Of course my own opinion and interpretation comes into play, but I always try to base them on truth and facts. So there is my basis!

Whose "truth"? That is so naive and simple. Truth and facts. Great, what does that mean??! There is no one truth. There was no reason to "remove" saddam besides little bushy's greed for more money for big businesses. And I doubt those attacks would have happened if anyone else were in office. He is business partners with the bin ladins and saudis!! Are you listening to that?? This war is a huge, huge money-maker for his friends. Turn off fox news.

And do you know anything about politics? There is no way a majoritarian democracy can exist in a country so ethnicly divided as iraq. Just wait and see. And who is free in iraq?? They have no clean, running water or electricity and the american soldiers are killing anything that moves. Go freedom. Go usa.

What is really frightening in the coverage of the republican convention is the influence of the religious right and so-called christians.

What makes me say that "w" is opposed to a woman's right to choose??Are you not listening to him??He would repeal "roevswade" in a red hot minute if he could!!!The republican agenda is strictly pro-life and anti-choice.He also has publicly said he will not support stem cell research.That was in the news right after ron reagan died.Patty

Patty -- in using the term "pro-life" you're playing by their rules! Remember, they say "pro-abortion", when the correct term is "pro-choice", i.E. No one is actually says that abortions are something we want more of, it is choice that needs to be pursued. So let's just be straight and use the term "anti-abortion" or "anti-choice," since most of those who oppose it are not doing much to protect life generally.

if the truth and facts are naive, then what do you want to base your opinions on? There is only one truth. We may be off at times, but there is still only one. Explain your theory on how there exists more than one truth. So the fact that hundreds of thousands were found in mass graves in iraq isn't a good enough reason for you? The fact that saddam used chemical weapons on his own people? You really think bush sent us into iraq for the sole purpose of awarding haliburton the contract? And all we wanted was the oil too, right? Guess what, we're not making money off the oil, it is finally going to the iraqi people. Perhaps we'll be able to buy it from them from a nice price, but that was not a major reason for the war.

Apparently you don't know anything about politics. Did you get your "truth" from fahrenheit 9/11? Maybe that's why you are so confused about what truth is. Yes, we will wait and see, and history will prove you wrong. Democracy works because people want freedom. People in iraq do have electricity and running water. Maybe not every area, but there is plenty of progress and good work being done. And I guarantee you the solders are not shooting anything that moves, please, where are you getting your info from? Saddam's old ministry of information? The same people who said us forces were not in baghdad as bombs were dropping on their regimes buildings in the background?

Live in your fantasy world... Because according to you, there is no truth. And facts are too simple and naive, so let's just make up what we want. Iraq is a mess. It is a waste of life. Those people don't deserve freedom. Saddam was a nice guy. And hitler was too. Bush called bin laden up and told him to carry out 9/11 so he could run off of that and attack any country he wanted so he could make money for his big business... Happy? Did I leave anything out?

The fetus is part of a woman's body.
You named two women in office. Do you really think that means it is still not male dominated? Whatever.
That truly is one of the silliest things I have ever heard in my life.
Try getting pregnant from rape and see how you feel. Try carrying a child that you really wanted and find out it and you will die in childbirth and having to abort.

It doesn't matter if you hate the act of abortion or the women who do it because bottom line if you take it away that is just one more right to take away from women.

If men and women could both get pregnant then I would say it is a male and female issue. But, no, it is a female issue. And only females who can become pregnant. Enough with this senior citizen prolife crap.