Shyness Or Social Anxiety? Posted: 08-01-04 00:21am
I've always been a very shy and secluded
person, keeping to myself most of the time
and living a very sheltered life because
of a lack of friends. I like meeting new
people, but often i'm a bit nervous and
don't say much, if anything at all in
their presence unless they speak to me (i
won't talk unless someone talks to me
first).
I'm 17 and have not had a job. Par tof
the reason is that the nearest employment
is over 10 miles from my house and I have
absolutely no way to get there. The other
reason is that i'm too scared; i'm too
scared to get a job because I think i'll
manage to find some way to screw it up and
embarrass myself.
I read a recent letter in dear abby
describing a problem similar to mine and
the girl's mother who had written the
letter said her daughter had social
anxiety.
Could I have this same condition, or is it
"all in my head"?
..................
Scaredbaka - very shy
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>?¿_BaByGuRL_?¿<
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 54
Posted: 08-01-04 03:11am
Hi there! Firstly I just wanna say, there
is nothing wrong with being a little on
the shy side, being shy only becomes a
problem when it interferes with your life,
and restricts you from doing what u wanna
do, which in ur case, that’s whats
happening.
And the fact that you don’t want to get a
job because you think you’ll “find some
way to screw it up and embarrass”
yourself, shows that. Nothing should hold
you back from living your life.
Im no doctor, but it does sound like you
may have abit of social anxiety, and maybe
you should visit ur doctor and see what
he/she says.
P.S something about ur post reminded me of
something I read a while ago, and after
looking for ages I finally found it!
“avoidant personality disorder is social
withdrawal due to intense, anxious
shyness. People with avoidant
personalities are reluctant to interact
with others unless they feel certain of
being liked. They fear being criticized
and rejected. Often they view themselves
as socially inept and inferior to
others.”
“avoidant personality disorder is
characterized by extreme social anxiety.
People with this disorder often feel
inadequate, avoid social situations, and
seek out jobs with little contact with
others. They are fearful of being
rejected and worry about embarassing
themselves in front of others. They
exaggerate the potential difficulties of
new situations to rationalize avoiding
them. Often, they will create fantasy
worlds to substitute for the real one.
Unlike schizoid personality disorder,
avoidant people yearn for social relations
yet feel they are unable to obtain them.
They are frequently depressed and have low
self-confidence.”
newayz, I hope u do go try and get help,
cos I know wat its like to be shy.
xoxoxoxoxo
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purple333
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 1420 Location: Sydney
Posted: 08-01-04 10:17am
I used to throw up if I were going out
(even to the home of a friend or family
member) & overcoming it was only
achieved by force (me forcing me) - the
thing is though that it is still with me
constantly & it has affected my life -
not for the better.
You are only 17 yet you realize that you
have a problem & that is half way to a
solution - you can not solve a problem
unless & until you acknowledge it -
you have done that - you have also begun
seeking a solution.
The issue of distance with no transport
(not merely to get a job but I assume also
for social contact) is I think your first
hurdle. Is there a family friend (or a
family member) that you could move in with
who is closer to somewhere where you could
a) get a job
b) meet people & develop/practise
soical skills
& c) most importantly
perhaps obtain counselling or find a
university or hospital that runs cbt
groups (often free or cheap) cognitive
behaviour therapy????
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ScaredBaka
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 175
Posted: 08-01-04 12:28pm
>?¿_babygurl_?¿<
wrote:
“avoidant personality
disorder is characterized by extreme
social anxiety. People with this
disorder often feel inadequate, avoid
social situations, and seek out jobs with
little contact with others. They are
fearful of being rejected and worry about
embarassing themselves in front of others.
They exaggerate the potential
difficulties of new situations to
rationalize avoiding them. Often, they
will create fantasy worlds to substitute
for the real one. Unlike schizoid
personality disorder, avoidant people
yearn for social relations yet feel they
are unable to obtain them. They are
frequently depressed and have low
self-confidence.”
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/div>
i swear it feels as if you could have
taken this directly out of my
autobiography (if I had one ^-^). I'm
all of those things right up in that
excerpt; the only exception is that while
i'm afraid of embarrassing myself in front
of others, i'm completely fine if I have
someone else to be embarrassing with
(i.E., my crazy cousin).
I don't like working with others, not
because i'm afraid, but because i'm just
very independent - I hate depending on
someone else or having someone else help
me.
Everything else though describes me
perfectly. I tihnk you really hit the
nail on the head, babygurl.
purple333
wrote:
the issue of distance with
no transport (not merely to get a job but
I assume also for social contact) is I
think your first hurdle. Is there a
family friend (or a family member) that
you could move in with who is closer to
somewhere where you could a) get a job b)
meet people & develop/practise soical
skills & c) most importantly perhaps
obtain counselling or find a university or
hospital that runs cbt groups (often free
or cheap) cognitive behaviour
therapy????
i do have an aunt that lives in town, as
well as my boyfriend, but my mom wouldn't
let me leave the house, and she also won't
let me get a job during the school year
because during that time she wants me to
focus solely on my schoolwork and such.
I am going to hopefully seek counseling
sometime within the next year, because i'm
being forced (yes, forced) into college
and I know i'm going to have a nervous
breakdown at some point if I don't find
help. I also don't want to go to college
because, to be honest, I don't think I
have the "smarts" to get through the
courses. I have good grades and all, in
the 90s and high 80s, but I still feel as
if college is a hurdle I won't be able to
overcome.
..........................
But yes, counseling is definitely in need.
I'm not ashamed to admit I have
something wrong with me - I say it to
myself every day o.O . But thank you
both for your great advice. I can't tell
you how much I appreciate all your help
because i'd practically be writing you a
novel of gratitude ^-^
thank you once more, babygurl and
purple333.
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Scaredbaka - is anxious
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purple333
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 1420 Location: Sydney
Posted: 08-01-04 12:46pm
My daughter (16) is at college - started
at 15 - she's never been happier because
there are sooooooooo many different things
she can get involved in - is your crazy
cousin going to college too? Perhaps you
could go to the same one & study &
play together!! Or maybe you could meet
someone else like your cousin. Your
grades are fine!! (i would not say it if
I didn't mean it!!) also what my daughter
loves is that at college she can express
her opinions & ideas not just what the
teacher tells her to think!! Even if you
don't want to talk you may enjoy hearing
what others have to say!!
Also (here anyway) colleges have
counselling services & many (there I
know)run cbt courses (free or cheap)
(cognitive behaviour therapy) which I
think could be of great help to you.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 08-01-04 13:47pm
Lol. I think I have long lost sisters!!
You all are just like me!! I have a job
though but if it weren't for my shyness,
instead of being a dishwasher, I would've
been a restuarant hostess at a different
restuarant making more money. Being shy
sucks, I am shy because I used to get made
fun of all the time and I don't trust
older mens motives so i'm shy around them.
People at work are always trying to get
me to talk.
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Outsider
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 26 Location: USA
Posted: 08-01-04 16:26pm
Hi scaredbaka u dont have to be shy im
like u I have a shelterd life but I grew
up from mine I used to be in front of
pretty girls nurses ect I allways held my
head down now im 32 and I got over it a
little im also have little friends u have
one friend here ^_^
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ScaredBaka
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 175
Posted: 08-02-04 00:02am
purple333
wrote:
my daughter (16) is at
college - started at 15 - she's never been
happier because there are sooooooooo many
different things she can get involved in -
is your crazy cousin going to college too?
Perhaps you could go to the same one
& study & play together!! Or
maybe you could meet someone else like
your cousin. Your grades are fine!! (i
would not say it if I didn't mean it!!)
also what my daughter loves is that at
college she can express her opinions &
ideas not just what the teacher tells her
to think!! Even if you don't want to
talk you may enjoy hearing what others
have to say!!
Also (here anyway) colleges have
counselling services & many (there I
know)run cbt courses (free or cheap)
(cognitive behaviour therapy) which I
think could be of great help to
you.
my cousin is 2 years older than me; this
month she'll be starting her second year
of college. I considered going to the
same college as her, not to be around her,
but because I planned to major in an art
field and her college has a good art
program...But my mom of course has to butt
in; she doesn't want me going to my
cousin's college because she says my
cousin's parents will think i'm just
following in her shadow (we both went to
the same elementary and high schools). In
a way I look forward to going to college
because i'll get away from my mom and be
able to live a little. I'm mainly scared
that I won't be able to handle the
courses; college just sounds so difficult
to me.
..................
Scaredbaka
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purple333
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 1420 Location: Sydney
College More Than Just a Degree>>> Posted: 08-02-04 12:27pm
There is alot more to going to college
than merely getting a degree.
1. Ok - so it may help to have that piece
of paper in order to get a job!
2. Making friends (join several
clubs/societies/etc & then try them
out till you find the one that suits you
& whose members you enjoy being
around!!)
3. Growing up, maturing, experiencing
life, making your own decisions - I may be
a mum, but I also remember how smothering
my mother was alot of the time - hell she
went to university the year after me!! -
the same uni & did the same
subjects!!!!!! So yes, I think that
getting away from your mum is potentially
one of the best things about you going to
college & if you get a part-time job
then you could avoid coming home for long
holidays. That may seem awful, but I do
feel your mum has not been fair to you -
of course we are only hearing your side
& maybe she hs reasons?? I must admit
though that it may in the long term be
better for your own personal development
to be at a college different to your
cousin, still if her college has the right
course for you - then that's the real
issue>>>>
4. The chance to get part-time &
casual work - helps you support yourself,
gives you the chance to get references
& so get better jobs & possibly
you could get work in an area that you
want eventually to work in
>>>>> with this in mind you
should try & join clubs on campus that
have connections to what you want to do
(my daughter joined & is active in the
theatrical society as her university &
this gives relevant experience as well as
contacts for what she wants to do -
acting!!
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>?¿_BaByGuRL_?¿<
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 54
Confidence Posted: 08-03-04 20:27pm
Have confidence in yourself. Ur marks
show that u are very bright, you have
nothing to worry about. Its gonna b a new
experience 4 u….It might be a bit scary
but look! Purple just pointed out all the
good things that’s gonna come out of it
:d
mmmm I really understand wat u mean about
ur crazy cousin lol. It helps when ur
around someone ur totally comfortable with
and who u can relate to.
Im glad u posted here, sometimes all we
need is a little support.
bd1012
wrote:
lol. I think I have long
lost sisters!! You all are just like
me!! I have a job though but if it
weren't for my shyness, instead of being a
dishwasher, I would've been a restuarant
hostess at a different restuarant making
more money. Being shy sucks, I am shy
because I used to get made fun of all the
time and I don't trust older mens motives
so i'm shy around them. People at work
are always trying to get me to talk.
I think were all
long lost sisters too! (?And brothers?)
lol
heads up girls!
~*~*~imagine what you would do if you knew
you couldn’t fail~*~*~
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>?¿_BaByGuRL_?¿<
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 54
Confidence Is Key Posted: 08-03-04 20:27pm
Have confidence in yourself. Ur marks
show that u are very bright, you have
nothing to worry about. Its gonna b a
new experience 4 u….It might be a bit
scary but look! Purple just pointed out
all the good things that’s gonna come out
of it :d
mmmm I really understand wat u mean about
ur crazy cousin lol. It helps when ur
around someone ur totally comfortable with
and who u can relate to.
Im glad u posted here, sometimes all we
need is a little support.
bd1012
wrote:
lol. I think I have long
lost sisters!! You all are just like
me!! I have a job though but if it
weren't for my shyness, instead of being a
dishwasher, I would've been a restuarant
hostess at a different restuarant making
more money. Being shy sucks, I am shy
because I used to get made fun of all the
time and I don't trust older mens motives
so i'm shy around them. People at work
are always trying to get me to talk.
I think were all
long lost sisters too! (?And brothers?)
lol
heads up girls!
~*~*~imagine what you would do if you knew
you couldn’t fail~*~*~
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SallyDallyDoo
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 4 Location: Tennessee
Posted: 08-10-04 10:26am
Hey scared,
yes you
can make it in college! It might
even be the best thing that happened to
you! Start with some "easy" courses.
The professors want you to succeed.
Apply at a small school where you will get
more individual attention and won't get
lost in a crowd. You'll find that there
is plenty of help available, and all the
incoming freshmen feel the same lost and
insecure way you do. There will be no
shortage of kindred spirits.
When I was a teen I would go so far as to
step outside the building to avoid having
to speak to people I had known since
preschool. I was scared of saying
something stupid, making some social faux
pas, and also I didn't particularly like
that whole crowd. I didn't even show up
for the senior class group portrait.
Sounds like neither you nor I are sheeple,
and we hate conventional constraints.
When you go to college you will have the
opportunity to start fresh, reinvent
yourself, and find a group of people with
the same outlook as yourself. No one
there will know you, so you are free to be
whomever and whatever you want to be! I
went from never speaking to being totally
outgoing. It was like I had been
released from prison. Afraid? You
betcha. I was scared out of my wits of
being a failure. Flunking courses, being
ridiculed, being "exposed". You know
what? College was a thousand times
easier than high school. I had miserable
hs grades but breezed through college with
honors. You have far more control over
your course load and free time, and don't
have to overload yourself your first
semester. Do some eezy breezy things at
first to give yourself time to acclamate,
meet people, do stuff. Have you
considered going to a different school for
the first couple of years, to get the
basics out of the way, and then
transferring?
I met my best friend in college nearly 20
years ago (yikes!) and we're still tight.
I found my career, I found my interests,
I found myself. And i'm pretty darn
likeable! So are you.
As an only child, when you look up
"smothering" in the dictionary you saw my
parents' photos posted. <g> I
literally had to peel my mother's hands
off my dorm room doorway and push her
downstairs into the car. Getting out
from under them, no matter how much we
love each other, was the best thing I ever
did. No words can describe how freeing,
enjoyable, breathtaking, and flat-out fun
college was. I had no jobs before
college, but during college I tutored
elementary school kids. That was fun,
let me set my own schedule, and had
instant-gratification results.
Grades? Don't worry. Like I said, my
hs grades sucked, no other way to put it.
I made d's in the math courses, c's in
most others (from not caring and lack of
trying). I was in no honor societies, no
sports, basically stayed home and hid. I
did do fairly well on the sat, however,
and submitted a scholarship application to
my (small) college of choice. Bottom
line: I was chosen, on the basis of
interview and not so much grades, for a
full scholarship. Colleges look at your
potential and you as a person, not you as
a grade-point-churning machine. It did
put more pressure on me to keep my grades
up, but choosing courses carefully helped
with that. No I didn't major in
basketweaving. For instance, when I was
not doing well in one elective,
weightlifting (because of my knees), I
dropped that course and later took
something far more meaningful and
enjoyable where I knew I could succeed
(religion).
I had 4 dates in high school. Total.
Then, I met a "college guy" my senior
year, through my dad of all people! He
and I hit it off instantly, and I could
talk to him with no problem. He had no
prior knowledge of me, had no preconceived
notions of me, nothing, so I was free to
be me. We kept up a long-distance
relationship through college, and had our
14th wedding anniversary earlier this
year. My hs "friends", the few there
were, have long since disappeared, but I
still have my best friends from college.
Hs is transient. You're about to grow
magnificent wings and be able to tell the
world who you are, on your own terms, and
you'll love it.
Sally