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Q: Truth: Abortion Is Not Surgery

asked by: where_is_the_line on July 22nd, 2004

Experienced User

Surgery:
1. The branch of medicine that deals with the diagnosis and treatment of injury, deformity, and disease by manual and instrumental means.
2. A surgical operation or procedure, especially one involving the removal or replacement of a diseased organ or tissue.

Abortion:
1. Termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or of a fetus that is incapable of survival. (is it perfectly capable of survival if left intact in the womb as nature intended)
2. The premature expulsion of a nonviable(? See below) fetus from the uterus.

Viable:
1. Capable of living, developing, or germinating under favorable conditions. (the favorable conditions for an embryo or fetus is in the womb)

how can we justify interrupting this natural process of human development/growth? This process begins as soon as we come into existence and well after birth. According to the definitions, most of what we call abortions are not in actuality abortions at all, because the human being at whatever stage of development is capable of living in those favorable conditions with which "abortion" interrupts.

Last edited by where_is_the_line on July 23rd, 2004 11:39 PM; edited 1 time in total

Replies(10)

PattyV

replied on July 22nd, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

This sounds like sami

JanetBee

replied on July 23rd, 2004

Experienced User

You mean because of the terrible syntax and nonsensical posting, and the i'm-right-and-you-are-all-stoopid attitude? Surely not.

where_is_the_line

replied on July 23rd, 2004

Experienced User

Humorosity

Are you calling my post nonsensical and claiming it has terrible syntax? Or are your just making fun of samie? I'm not claiming I use perfect grammar in every sentence I type, but surely you see some logic in there no? Or is that too much "i'm-right-and-you-are-all-stoopid attitude" for ya?

2ferano

replied on July 23rd, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

Some people never learn.

PattyV

replied on July 23rd, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

No-no logic here.

where_is_the_line

replied on July 23rd, 2004

Experienced User

Well if anyone is seriously claiming there is no logic what so ever in that first post, you are fooling yourself.

What do some people never learn hotasfrick?

Nobody has yet to answer my original question. Or is it too illogical? My bad...

2ferano

replied on July 24th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

Favorable for whom? The fetus? Okay, sometimes, but what about the mother? It may not be favorable for her at all, thus not viable.

Some people never learn....(samie, catlick, manipulator, gordon....)all kicked off of the forum for abusing it and they all (if not all the same person to begin with) just keep coming back.......That is what some people never learn.

where_is_the_line

replied on July 24th, 2004

Experienced User

The womb is always the "favorable" environment for a human being to develop in the first nine months of life. I used the word favorable according to how it was used in the definition in reference to condition of living. Not favorable as in the situation.

And viable has three main definitions, so we must be clear on which one we are refering to. I already showed one of them, so a pre-born human is viable so long as it has no major defects that would inhibit it's development or ability to live after birth. Of course a fetus is not viable outside of the womb, but that does not justify abortion. And you just used viable in the "capable of success or continuing effectiveness; practicable" meaning. But if the fetus is capable of success (continued life after birth) than it is still viable.

Thank you for clarifying, now I get it.

2ferano

replied on July 24th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

No, I was using viable in the same way you were. If it is not "favorable" for the mother to carry the child (ie it will kill her) then the womb is not "favorable" for the fetus. Or the mother for that matter.

where_is_the_line

replied on July 24th, 2004

Experienced User

Ok I get it now, it sounded different when you originally said it.

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