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Q: Making a Decision I May Not Want to Do, But May Be Necessary
asked by: charon1973 on July 19th, 2004
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To all anti abortion foes,

i post this message with a challenge. I am 31 years old, and have recently gotten my girlfriend pregnant. I make 6.75 per hour. While I am a very intelligent and educated (self educated) person, I did not attend college after graduating high school. I made the choice to party instead, and to this day am paying the price, and not crying to anyone about it.

This brings us to the abortion. I am against it personally. I do not enjoy the thought of terminating my unborn child. I detest it, to be perfectly honest. However, I detest one thing more. Thinking of my child growing up without good toys, or having fun, or having to live in a fleabitten apartment. I suffer from depression and anxiety, and cannot afford the medications I need to balance out my life so I can function properly. Therefore I must rely on the bottom of the mill jobs to sustain my life.

So let’s break this down. 6.75 per hour, at 40 hours a week. No overtime, as our company is suffering from the recession. And I am mentally not able to hold two jobs, due to my disability. 270.00 per week gross, which comes to 1080.00 gross monthly. After good ol uncle sam takes my federal taxes, and ssi (which will be obsolete when it is time for me to retire, I guarantee), medicare (also will be obsolete), and of course lady virginia helping herself to the state taxes, this leaves me about 700.00 per month, roughly. Of course, I have to pay rent, pay my car payment, insurance, and buy food. Oh yeah, I forgot about the lights and water. But then again, we all have to do this, so i’m sorry if I sound whiny. But they have to be paid. So I do this, I go out and work to pay my bills, and I come straight home, and I don’t complain about it. I cannot afford to go out and have fun obviously, and I don’t steal or sell drugs, as I am an honest person. So this proves I have integrity. Now let’s figure my young one in the equation. My now ex-girlfriend, who does not work, has moved out to go back to her parents. We are not together. She will get custody, as her living situation is much better. Provided we don’t have the abortion of course. Ok, so I have a responsibility here. I am not one of those deadbeat loser dads, I clean up my mess, and if I am going to bring a child in this world, I am going to take full responsibility. So, with today’s laws, half of my net pay will go to child support. I can barely stay afloat as it is getting all of my 6.75 per hour salary that remains of what the feds and the state took from me. I guess that dosent leave very much for my child, does it? I’m sure you all can imagine what a wonderful life he or she is going to have. Won’t it be nice for him to see other kids playing with nice toys, and when he is watching tv on the black and white 13’’ screen, because that is all we can afford for him, i’m sure he we be having a wonderful time. Oh, and when he hits his teen years. Im sure living in poverty, coveting other people’s nice things all his life, and never having anything good will be great for his morals. I’m absolutely convinced he will remain outside of the juvenile justice system. If not, I guess I should be content with the fact that he will find some scam to get by on, be it sell drugs, or steal. Just another statistic, another small paragraph in the local crime section of the daily newspaper.



So, does it sound like I am some bloodthirsty monster who wishes to abort and kill an unborn baby, or a sympathetic human being that cannot stand the thought of possibly having a son or daughter growing up in a horrible life? Because if I could provide better, I assure you I would. So, I still have some time left. The abortion has not happened. So, what do I do? Do I go through the abortion, knowing I am killing off a part of me, a human being with feelings that could either be the next president of the united states, or could be the next john gotti? I agree, this is not the best choice. But do you really think you have the right to tell me or tom next door to you what to do? I know you have an unfounded respect for life, as do i. I know you loathe the fact that a human being is being killed. Does it make it easier for the parents to think of it as a mercy killing? I simply don’t have the answer for that. I just know that right now, I look at it as a gamble. A spin on the roulette wheel. What if I convinced my ex-girlfriend to give up our child for adoption? She too does not feel she could be a good mother. Yes, we are now providing a life, and we have avoided the abortion. So how do I know my kid is not going to live with cinderella’s stepmother? Do I have to agonize over this my whole life? After thinking of all this, I have come up with a solution. It is the answer to the challenge I stated at the beginning of this post, the challenge which has not been revealed yet. I will forgo the abortion. No problem, it will not be done. If you can save one life, here is your chance. All it takes is just one of you. So here it is. You have an absolute guarantee that this abortion will not happen. If I bring a child in this world, and raise that child, that child is going to be raised like the king of england. He or she is going to have impeccable morals, a strong sense of self pride, and will be the best person on earth. I have the integrity to teach and instill this into a person. I just cannot afford it financially. My child will need to have a place to study, and a safe warm bed to sleep in at night. I safe home to come home to, filled with food so he or she can eat when hungry. Money to pay the electrical bill so at night when he or she needs to study, they will have power coursing through the wiring in my home to provide electricity to light the light bulb on the lamp that hovers over their studies. So, I will just need one person out there to send me 1000.00 per month, of which every single dollar will go to the benefit of my child. This means, if my wheel blows out, I will have some money to get a new tire, so I can go to the store to get my child’s diapers and milk. So that if he or she is six years old and develops a learning disability, I can pay a tutor to help them. So that in the winter, I can afford to pay for insulated coats, so that the love of my life does not freeze to death out there. All of which I cannot do on my salary. Again, I do not complain about my position in life. I would love to go out and have a nice dinner, and I would love to go to the amusement park sometime, or take a trip to the beach. But I cannot. I get by doing what I can. As I said, I am sick. I suffer from anxiety and depression, and I cannot change that. I cannot change the hand that has been dealt to me. I cannot change the past, and go back and not have unprotected sex like I did. Shoulda, coulda, woulda will do no good now. What matters is what I do now. Plain and simple. So, are there any takers out there? If you are willing to support my unborn child, and help me give them the life that I cannot provide, then you have accomplished your goal of preventing another lost life. But I stress, that my child’s life could be lost, even after they are born, and they go through life without means to provide for them, or without someone to love them. I just cannot bear that to happen.

God bless.

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2ferano
replied on July 20th, 2004
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What does the mother of the child want? Does she want the abortion? If not then don't push it on her because of money.
If you two are not together then yes, a percentage of your money will go to her for child support, but it isn't like she cannot work also.
Whatever you decide, if you do not want to bring a child into this world then use protection.
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bd1012
replied on July 20th, 2004
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Shoulda, coulda, woulda will do no good now. What matters is what I do now.

That is the exact same thing that I say in the exact same format. I hate it when people say "well what should've happened is..." like that really matters as of this minute! Anyway, it depends on the mother if an abortion takes place, but if you guys choose to have one, it does not mean you are a bad person at all.

From this point on (notice, this point) try to be more careful though so this doesn't happen again but for now, deal with what is going on and not dwell on what you should have done although i'm pretty sure you have that part down.
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charon1973
replied on July 20th, 2004
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Thanks for the response. The mother of the child is more for the abortion then me. I do not want the abortion at all. However, I cannot stand the thought of giving up a child for adoption, and not knowing what might happen to him/her. Because the child could go to a loving home, or could be adopted by a pedophile, and that is where my concern lies. I am by no means trying to force abortion on her. In fact, I am trying to talk her out of it. We went to a clinic to ask questions, and were confronted by anti-abortion advocates at the door. I said the same thing to them that I said in this post. I can guarantee there will be no abortion if they are willing to send me the money each month. The point of this whole thing is not for me to sponge off of everyone else. I say this in a way to show just how impractical the whole thing is. But if the baby is brought into this world, someone will have to care for it, plain and simple. I have the integrity, not the finances to do it. As for using protection, I could not agree with you more!! But as I stated, shoulda, coulda, woulda is too late now.
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PattyV
replied on July 20th, 2004
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Well,it sounds as if the decision has already been made.If you are both in agreement to have the abortion,the sooner,the better.You and your ex-girl are not horrible human beings and it seems you've put an awful lot of thought onto this matter.You are a realist and seem to want to do the right thing but,your current situation is both financially and mentally not the best.As you know,stress does not improve your condition.If you can't take care of your needs,how can you take care of a child???Go back to the clinic and walk right past those protesters.If they prevent you from entering,they are breaking the law!I don't know about viginia,but you can't do that in illinois!Next,you should be able to get your prescriptions through the state.If you do not have healthcare coverage you can apply for state funded healthcare.Please don't feel like you can't do that.It is more important that you stay on your meds right now.I had to do that when I was without coverage and it sucked the first few times I used the medicaid card,but I knew I needed medication more than I needed my pride.Don't think you are stuck with your lowpaying job,either.Money to go to school is out there,you need to be able to go after it.I did not think I would ever be able to afford to go back(i partied waaaaay too much in high school as well)but I did and am going back again this fall and i'm 10 years older than you!!!So,.You and your ex do what you guys think is best for the two of you and don't be so down on yourself.Pattyv
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mama+1
replied on October 31st, 2004
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What if I convinced my ex-girlfriend to give up our child for adoption? She too does not feel she could be a good mother.

For your situation I think that would be the best option. You don't really want to abort your child, but you want s/he to have the best life possibly. To me that seems to solve the equation. It is a heartbreaking decision, but sometimes the best one you can make. You are showing your love for your child by giving them a life that you couldn't. In the end though you will need to make the decision that you and your ex both feel comfortable with. Good luck.
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aanifant
replied on October 31st, 2004
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I think it is good you are being realistic about your situation and I think this is very common. Emotions surrounding abortion are always conflicted. I don't thikn I would try to convince your partner of anything. Discuss, listen to one another. Remember you are not evil, a monster, shallow or guilt ridden for making the decison to abort. Sometimes it is the more responsible. And
I would agree that you can go back to school--there is funding out there, financial aid atc. This way you will feel more fianancially comfortable when you do have children.
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bellax0x
replied on November 4th, 2004
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If you both thing abortion is the best for you then go for it, good luck

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proLife
replied on November 4th, 2004
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You Can Do This!
I can see that you are under enormous pressure - I haven't been in as tough a spot in my life - but you can do this! You can make it through without aborting your child.

Settle for the best that you have to offer your child - even if it seems to amount to nothing, or less than nothing. You are very concerned about the quality of life that you would be able to provide for your child . This is admirable - but consider this. Our society is filled with homeless people - the quality of their life is certainly questionable, however, we all agree that we should not be able to choose whether or not to take their lives on those grounds. Your child should live! (that is a happy exclaimation). God can bring great things out of the worst and most desparate situations.



Bringing a baby into a horribly difficult situation is certainly an emotional burden, but regardless of the situation, that child must live. I will pray with all of my heart for you, your girlfriend and your child in this crisis.



God bless you!


Russell
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oopoopoop
replied on November 5th, 2004
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Choice is what matters -- we need to support choice.
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Izzy
replied on November 5th, 2004
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I like the sound of your opinions poo can I subscribe to you newsletter but I have one question about the importance of choice you so strongly defend

what choice do you support for the unborn?
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oopoopoop
replied on November 5th, 2004
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They should just curl up and miscarry spontaneously when they know they're not wanted. That would solve a lot of problems. But if they don't, they can go swim in some other ocean -- whichever one they get flushed into.
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2ferano
replied on November 5th, 2004
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Yeah, okay, let's all just get pregnant and have the kids that we don't want, bring them into the world, beat, molest, neglect, starve and mentally abuse them. Then we can be an even more overly populated f-ed up place. Great plan people!
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proLife
replied on November 6th, 2004
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hotasfrick wrote:
yeah, okay, let's all just get pregnant and have the kids that we don't want, bring them into the world, beat, molest, neglect, starve and mentally abuse them. Then we can be an even more overly populated f-ed up place. Great plan people!


your solution proposes curing the desease by killing the patient.
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aanifant
replied on November 6th, 2004
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I love bible beating psychos--"sure they're alot of homeless people in the world, but women are the cruel witches for withholding their chances of being unwanted". Oh please. Pl are you from the midwest, deep south? Seriously undereducated, aren't you?
You know I think all these pro-lifers are actually suppressing something else-female part of the body envy.
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2ferano
replied on November 6th, 2004
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No it doesn't. A fetus is not a human being yet in my opinion. And you know what even if it were, I honestly think that a fetus should be aborted rather than being brought into the world to a woman/man who didn't want it, or only wanted it to beat on, screw and just plain mess up. And if a woman who is pregnant is willing to admit that if she continued with the pregnancy she would abuse the child and therefore aborts then good for her. Seriously. I don't promote abortion and yes I am happy when a woman chooses to keep the baby, but I also understand that not all people can do that. Not everyone is in the same situation. You have to respect that.
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proLife
replied on November 12th, 2004
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aanifant wrote:
i love bible beating psychos--"sure they're alot of homeless people in the world, but women are the cruel witches for withholding their chances of being unwanted"


if it is right to alleviate a person's suffering by taking their life before birth, why is it not after? If we can predict life long suffering for an unwanted child, surely we can determine whether or not a full grown person has nothing but suffering ahead of himself/herself.
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bd1012
replied on November 12th, 2004
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What don't you all people understand? A person is accounted for once they are born..Not before.. That is why it is illegal to kill anyone after they are born. You all think you have to prove that it is a person to convince us that abortion is wrong but you don't have anything to prove at all. I have a right to say what goes in my body and what doesn't. Plain and simple and since the zef doesn't have any rights.. Mine obviously overrule it.
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Izzy
replied on November 12th, 2004
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"what don't you all people understand? A person is accounted for once they are born..Not before.. That is why it is illegal to kill anyone after they are born."

we understand this but we are challenging you to show us what is the essential difference between and unborn child and a born child and how that justifys killing prior to birth but not after birth?

If its that they are not inside the mother, its dosnt make them any less a human being a human being with equal worth as you, me or its mother.

I have a right to say what goes in my body and what doesn't. Plain and simple.

Have you not in effect had your say when you have intercourse, forget about birth control deminishing your responsibility.... Wake up little girl and take responsiblity for your life and the life you helpped create

and since the zef doesn't have any rights.. Mine obviously overrule it.

This is what we object to and disagree with, we see all human beings as equal.
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bd1012
replied on November 12th, 2004
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Imo.. The zef has no rights becuase there is no quarantee it will even be born at the time abortion is legal. When it is born.. Than that means it was successful and that person is then a person. You look at people today and how can you tell me that they are the same thing as somthing that is still developing lungs and barely has a heartbeat or any brainwaves. It is developing into a person and since it isn't a person yet and I am and pregnancy is more than just discomfort and can cause harm to me than I have the say in whether it stays in my body or not. If you care about something that may or not be human so much than why not the woman?
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