I think it is up to the person becuase it is cruel
35%
[ 17 ]
I think it isn't up to the person and should be done at birth
20%
[ 10 ]
I think it is up to the person but is not cruel
43%
[ 21 ]
Total Votes : 48
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Circumcision, Is It Mutilation? Posted: 07-08-04 12:46pm
Ok I am asking this question because it
has come to my attention that some people
ridiculously think that circumcision is
cruel and child abuse and that it
diminishes pleasure! I want to know what
you guys think. The thing is that some
people say that it should be up to the kid
and I kind of agree but they will
eventually get circumcized anyway because
it is the "norm" in america and will find
it alot easier and it's better to get it
done when you are young.
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aemul
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 14 Location: UK
Posted: 11-25-04 17:55pm
I am english. Within the uk circumcision
is not seen as the norm. It is viewed
simply as a medical procedure. I am 19
and now facing the possibility of
circumcision as treatment to a condition
known as phimosis. Although in retrospect
circumcision as a child now seems
favourable to a traumatic procedure in
adulthood I view it to be an outdated
traumatic surgery. I feel mutilation is
an incorrect term to use as it suggests
that certain religions require mutilation
as an affirmation of faith which is narrow
minded. As for the loss of sensitivity
this is no myth. The foreskin contains
touch receptors similar to those
responsible for fine touch detection in
the finger tips. Also due to the constant
exposure of the gland desensitisation is
inevitable a result.
Regards
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Kia
Supporter
Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 6594 Location: Planet Tampaxia,
Posted: 12-17-04 15:24pm
Nah, it's just about as cruel as getting a
baby girls ears pierced.
If it is a family done thing then I don't
think there is an issue with doing it, but
if it is not something done in a
particular family then it is fine to leave
it until the child is older and can make a
choice.
My partner is not circumsized, had our
baby lived, I would not have had him
circumsized either, purely because it just
isn't the standard where I come from and
not in my or my partners family. I
wouldn't have made he choice based on
cruelty.
If I lived in a circumsized community or
my partners family were circumsized (well
not all of them but ya know...) then I
would have had my baby done too.
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LightFreeze
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 5 Location: uk
Posted: 01-18-05 10:09am
Would you get the tip of your nose cut off
because others did?
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
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Posted: 01-30-05 11:30am
aemul
wrote:
as for the loss of
sensitivity this is no myth. The
foreskin contains touch receptors similar
to those responsible for fine touch
detection in the finger tips. Also due
to the constant exposure of the gland
desensitisation is inevitable a result.
Regards
bump aemul.
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Jibly
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 10
Posted: 02-04-05 14:24pm
Asside from loss of sensitivity, men who
have been circumsized are also more likely
to have problems with premature
ejaculation, it seems like a useless
procedure to me with very few benefits
which are by far outweighed by the risks
and cons. After a quick google search, I
was actualy very surprised to find that
most (if not all) of the websites I found
supporting circumsition had been made
using geocities or some of free web
hosting service. And when it comes to
something as seriouse has my health, or
the health of someone else, I don't think
I can trust a web site made by someone in
their basement with a computer with an
incredibly basic, to unexistant knowledge
of html. I myself have not been
circumsised, and I can say that i've never
had any problems or wished that I had
been. And in terms of letting it be the
child's decision... If someone were to
ask you if you wanted to be circumcised,
and you were fully aware of what that
meant... What are the odds you'd actualy
say that you did want it, assuming you did
not have any conditions that required it.
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serendipity22
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 3 Location: Australia
Posted: 02-16-05 22:02pm
Re original question
why do think its ridiculous etc?
On another post a guy who had it done with
a general said the next
2 weeks were the most excrutiating pain in
his life
many infants go into a shock reaction
if thats not child abuse, then what is?
Comparing removal of 2 layers of skin, a
thin layer of glands, tens of thousands of
nerve endings with ear piercing
...Errr no
you are quite right though,
it should be kids choice when he is older
interesting this is in mens disorders ,
freudian slip?
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
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Posted: 02-17-05 17:40pm
bigman16
wrote:
what the hell? I am
circumsized, and it happened at birth and
I am 17... I don't think there is any
issues, I wouldn't want to be
uncircumsized thats for sure..... Look
its all matter of opinion..... And I do
not think the child has a choice if the
parents decide or not..... And I think
this issue isn't that serious compared to
issues like drinking or smoking while
having a child that is much worse. Look
I am lucky to be alive! The doctor said
if they would of waited one more day I
would of been dead, so I do not think that
being circumsized really !@#^*n matters to
me
still not sure what you're getting at
here. Stick to thr question.
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fallingup
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Posts: 14 Location: Waco, Texas
Posted: 02-21-05 17:40pm
justin_toronto
wrote:
aemul
wrote:
as for the loss of
sensitivity this is no myth. The
foreskin contains touch receptors similar
to those responsible for fine touch
detection in the finger tips. Also due
to the constant exposure of the gland
desensitisation is inevitable a result.
Regards
bump aemul.
lmao! Anyways, no, I don't think that it
is cruel, its prolly cool infact, what's
the difference other than the size of it?
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serendipity22
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 3 Location: Australia
a Question Posted: 02-24-05 05:25am
If you did something roughly equivalent to
a pet dog, could you be charged for
cruelty to animals?
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Justin_Toronto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
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Posted: 02-24-05 11:12am
fallingup
wrote:
justin_toronto
wrote:
aemul
wrote:
as for the loss of
sensitivity this is no myth. The
foreskin contains touch receptors similar
to those responsible for fine touch
detection in the finger tips. Also due
to the constant exposure of the gland
desensitisation is inevitable a result.
Regards
bump aemul.
lmao! Anyways, no, I don't think that it
is cruel, its prolly cool infact, what's
the difference other than the size of
it?
size? The size is not affected by
circumcision.
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alabaster5
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 3 Location: 123123123
Posted: 06-04-05 12:29pm
I was circumsized and I dont feel that its
cruelty at all.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 06-04-05 23:22pm
I have recently changed my views about
this subject and now I believe that is in
a way, mutilation and I think it should be
totally up the boy when he grows up if he
wants to be circumcized or not.
I think it's very strange that most
religious people do it because arent'
relgious people always talking bout how
important natural things are? And that
we should be happy with what "god" gives
us? I personally think they only play
that card when it suits them but happily
give it up when it hurts their agenda...
Which imo.. Is supressing the sexual
nature of humans. All for nature and
what "god" created, yet they hate nudity,
and hate sex, and are quick to chop that
foreskin off with all it's pleasurable
nerve endings. Hmmm...
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dane211
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 124
Cruel Posted: 06-08-05 15:06pm
I was at birth and it was cut way too
tight! I ended up with a quite larger
than average size penis and when I got
really hard-it would hurt! I have been
doing some things to strech my skin under
my glans for the last 3 years and it has
made a huge difference!! I wish I wasn't
cut.
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KyleSB
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Canada
Re: Circumcision, Is It Mutilation? Posted: 09-04-05 17:48pm
bd1012
wrote:
ok I am asking this question
because it has come to my attention that
some people ridiculously think that
circumcision is cruel and child abuse and
that it diminishes
pleasure!
i don't necessarily think it's cruel or
child abuse, but it does take away nerve
endings which give you pleasure during sex
so it kinda sucks to rob a kid of that
without asking him first.
bd1012
wrote:
it is the "norm" in america
and will find it alot easier and it's
better to get it done when you are
young.
when you say 'america' do you mean north
america or the states? Cause i'm canadian
and none of my friends are cut.
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saglamh23
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 61 Location: Türkiye
Posted: 09-06-05 03:46am
Everyone is looking through their own
windows. I m too:). Maybe a bit late for
this but I m confused about it. "aemul"
is saying that it decreases sensitivity
and "jibly" is saying that it causes
premature ejaculation. If I have a tiny
amount of logic, I can easily think that
sensitivity is as much effective as
psychological reasons in premature
ejaculation. If they r both correct, then
they r both wrong. Simple logic. I mean
circumsision doesnt result in neither
sensitivity loss nor premature
ejaculation...But it can still be a
mutilation although it is more helpful
than being dangerous... Considering that
it is cutting something... If I m
supposed to say my opinion, I say no, it
is not a mutilation :) " everyone is
supposed to look through their own
windows. More importantly, no one is
supposed to close or change the others'
windows...
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saglamh23
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 61 Location: Türkiye
Posted: 09-06-05 04:03am
bd1012
wrote:
yet they hate nudity, and hate sex, and
are quick to chop that foreskin off with
all it's pleasurable nerve endings.
Hmmm...
i am a religious man(maybe not as attached
as some others) as u mentioned. But u r
wrong at these. We dont hate nudity,
sex...But we love our privacy. U can ask
why I am here then? I see this forum as
very helpful and although it seems to be
so open it is so closed. Here I can share
everything that I cant in the real world.
I mean I still, to some extent, protect my
privacy and still love sex...Is it
possible to hate sex? How can one even
think about that? It is something so
powerful inside of us that "god "
presented us. Thats how we still
survive... Sorry I behaved offensive but
I wanted to correct a misunderstanding.
And about nerve endings. I have still a
lot of them. I cant imagine having more
;). Thanks to all reading this...
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Boxing_Is_Fun
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 14 Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: 10-11-05 21:37pm
I have to agree with saglamh, sex should
be something that is private and enjoyed
and explored when you have finally met the
one you want to share that with, but I
also think that sexual health should not
be something private for the good of
everybody, but anwyays thats getting off
topic...
As far as circumcision being mutilation, I
can't really say that I agree with that,
but thats just my opinion, but as far as
whether or not the parents should be
allowed to choose is a different story, it
makes sense to let the child decide when
he is old enough so that he can feel he at
least had the choice (so this may mean he
will remember the pain if he decides to
get it done but thats a small price to pay
to be given the choice), I simply feel
that it is best for people to be given the
choice to do what they believe is right.
In the end when I think about this issue,
I don't feel that all the facts are made
clear enough about it for there to be any
real changes made to how people do things
nowadays anyways, so that is what should
be adressed before people go deciding
whether its right or not.
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aemul
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 14 Location: UK
On the Other Side Posted: 11-26-05 07:56am
Since my last post I have undergone
circumcision to help cure second degree
phimosis. As I am now able to speak from
both perspectives I feel that it is no
more mutilation than any other form of
surgical procedure. Although unpleasant
during the initial post operative period,
healing has been quick with a pleasing
result in regards to sensation and
aesthetics.
With regards to choice I feel that this
question is far wider ranging than the
subject of circumcision. Had I been given
the choice as a child I would almost
certainly decided that there was no way I
was going to put myself through something
which, at that age, would appear to be
very scary.
From an adult perspective however it would
have saved a great deal of stress, worry
and inconvenience if I had been
circumcised during infancy.
As it turns out my flatmate suffered from
the same condition as a child and his
parents made the decision to have him
circumcised. He is feeling very smug at
this point in time safe in the knowledge
that his parents were better qualified
than himself, at that age, to decide what
was neccessary and best for him.
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cd998776
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Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 996 Location: Ohio
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Posted: 11-26-05 15:14pm
Good perspectives/points. Interesting
that you posted your update all most one
year later to the day.