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Q: Post For Hotasfrick And Purple And Any Other Pro.c Christian

asked by: samie on June 28th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

As christians you believe in the teachings of jesus christ!

Does jesus christ the son of the living god command (not ask or request) you to “love one another” you being christians should know the answer is yes, he commands all christians and mankind to love all human beings without exception – for his sake.

Agreed?

So as christians you are required by christ to love all human beings by wishing well to one another, by praying for one another and by never allowing yourselves any thought, word or deed to the injury any human being without exception – for his sake

agreed?

If this is so how can any christian support a choice that injures another, since the pro-choice movement is physically injurious to unborn human beings you must agree the pro-choice movement and abortion itself is an enemy of christ and ultimately of christianity as a whole so how then can a christian be pro choice.

Since most christian denominations don’t recognise papal authority these denominations must believe the souls of these unborn human beings go directly to hell since the babies have not been christened in the name of the father, son and holy spirit. And therefore abortion and pro choice are injurious to the soul. Jesus said “fear not those who k ill the body but rather those who k ill the soul”

the only way in which you can even slightly begin to lessen the effects of abortion in the eyes of god and jesus christ is if you believe in papal authority i.E. You are roman catholic since it is through the infallibility of the pope that he can allow all aborted babies to go directly to heaven through his binding authority that each individual baby becomes a martyr and joins the “holy innocents” in heaven.

However since abortion is physically injurious i.E. K ills the body it is still a sin and against god “thou shall not k ill” and no christian can defend anything that is sinful and displeasing to god to do so would be a grievous sin and worthy of hell.

Since abortion k ills the unborn human being, the woman, abortionist and anyone directly or indirectly involved in the abortion fall into grave sin and thus abortion k ills the their souls “fear not those who k ill the body but rather those who k ill the soul”

Replies(20)

2ferano

replied on June 29th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

Once again samie, there isn't a single perfect person out there. There isn't anyone who has not sinned. No sin is greater than any other and sometimes we make decisions that we feel are best for us and they may or may not be a sin. We are not perfect, that is why we (christians) trust, believe and lean on god.
Being prochoice does not mean that we like abortion or want people to have one. It simply means that we understand that the choice needs to be there.
You don't listen.You keep bringing up the same crap while ignoring the facts, so why don't you just quit wasting everyone's time?

samie

replied on June 29th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

I agree everyone is a sinner. I am not sure you know the full extent of your term “no sin is greater than the other”, it is a true but not how I think you mean it. Christ asked peter “if two people owed a debt, one owed $1 and the other owed $100 both got let off with the debt which person would have the most appreciation?”

oof course no sin is greater than the other because all sin offends god and k ills our soul that is why we need to ask for forgivness (like I said before it is repentance that leads to forgivness and that leads to salvation not sin). To be a christian you recognise jesus as your saviour he shows us “the way” to live shows us “the truth” of all things and brings us to eternal “life”.

In other words you as a christian are trying to become christ like and to be quite honest defending abortion rights under the guise of pro choice is going to prevent your development in becoming christ like.

One last thing… you wrote “we understand that the choice needs to be there”

why do we need to be allowed to k ill our children?

princess529_98

replied on June 29th, 2004

Experienced User

I dont know sami you tell us why we need to be allowed to kill our children. Why did you kill your's??

samie

replied on June 29th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

The above post just goes to show you, don’t be fooled by these pro choice people who claim they only want what is best for you and that they care about women its all lies they will only care about you if you support their way of thinking. Imagine had I been pro choice and some pro lifer had said that, good old princess and her buddies would have been awfully caring and supportive of me but because I am opposed to their ways they call me a mur derer, yes I am but it was because I listened to people like you!

princess529_98

replied on June 29th, 2004

Experienced User

You say we all call you a mu rd erer because you are opposed to our ways? Isnt that what you have been calling us all along? You let someone talk you into a abortion and thats out fault? I dont think so sami thats a big decision to make not something you should let someone talk you into give there advice opinions yes but the final decision is yours and yours only.. So dont sit there and fool yourself by thinking that its us pro-choice people that made you do that. All your doing is trying to justify what you did wrong and put the blame on others. Well I for one wont sit and let you blame your mistake for whatever reason you made it on us. If you let someone talk you into it then thats your stupid mistake not ours...

2ferano

replied on June 29th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

God, samie, you have some serious issues.
Don't be fooled that these prochoicers care about you....Blah blah? Whatever......I do care. That is why I am prochoice. You are the one who says that if a woman is carrying a child and the child and her will both definately die if the child is carried full-term, that is just too freakin bad. In your theory, the woman should go ahead and just let herself die along with her child.
So who is the one who does not care?
Get a clue samie.
Yes, I know that being a christian means you have to ask for forgiveness to be allowed into the kingdom of heaven. I also know that we should try our hardest not to sin.
But explain this one to me: if it was god's plan for a woman and child to both die in childbirth....Then why would he allow the doctors to foresee it and give the woman a chance to save herself? Don't you think that maybe that was his plan?
No, you don't think that way, because you only care about the fetus.
Prochoicers care about everyone involved, and we understand that there are different circumstances.
You, don't care. You just want everyone to join your little cult.
You need to open your eyes samie. If you are going to try to argue with me or "convert" me, you need to get some intelligence first.

samie

replied on June 30th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

No I don’t believe mother and child should be allowed to die, I don’t believe a direct abortion is needed to save a mothers life. However abortion in case of mothers life was legal before the abortion laws and would remain so if it were changed I don’t think it should be any other way.

Although I do care about the baby which pro choice don’t, I care more about the woman, society and other implications. The religious fact that the baby goes directly to heaven lessens the worry about the child somewhat never the less those babies still alive need protecting. Since the abortion laws changed our idea of what a person is, theologians have begun to decide which born human beings are persons and which are none persons, this is a basic step, if we can k ill human beings inside the womb because they are none persons then surely we can k ill those outside the womb who we have deemed to be none persons. Already we are seeing people arguing for infanticide since a human being that cannot communicate well, defend itself and survive on its own without help from other human beings has been deemed a none person by roe v wade and used in the argument of viability. Society needs to decide either all human beings are equal or no one is equal giving those with power, strengh, money, majority and intelligence the right to choose to k ill those deemed less strong, less powerful, less rich, or less intelligent that may include me and you!

I know it sounds far fetched and paranoid but honestly this is the logic of the abortion laws

samie

replied on June 30th, 2004

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"so dont sit there and fool yourself by thinking that its us pro-choice people that made you do that. "

i was brainwashed and fooled by pro choice all I could see was myself and the fears I had about my future, you see pro choice prey on your fears. I was groomed at school, by the television and the rest of the media and the law confirmed that all I was doing was ending a pregnancy, I wasn’t k illing a child I was surgically removing a blob of tissue if the law says its ok then it must be ok, it must not be k illing america would never allow us to k ill children. It is exactly what you believe now, don’t be fooled!

2ferano

replied on July 2nd, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

You were fooled by some people who just happened to be prochoice. That doesn't mean we are all 'evil'
that is like saying that all black people know each other and all white men have small penises. (sorry, I am not racist, so it was hard for me to come up with something there.)
you are just prejudice against prochoice people because you dealt with a couple shady ones.
You don't think that prochoice people care about the could-be baby? You are wrong. We are just supportive and caring enough to take into account whole situations and be there for the woman no matter what her decision. You don't care.
And here you go with direct abortion isn't ever needed to save a woman's life.....Enlighten us with that theory again, it is freakin hillarious.
She says that having an abortion to save a mothers life is never necessary, but having an operation that is definately going to kill the baby is okay. Explain to me the difference...Oh wait, don't bother because the last time you tried that you made a fool of yourself.

samie

replied on July 3rd, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

Most pro choice people are just "normal" decent people who have been bamboozeled by terminologies, ideologies, fears and lies. I dont hate them, I pitty them.

However those pro choicers who have understood what abortion actually is still support it and deny consistantly what it is are either in denial or are somewhat twisteted and evil, though I doubt many if any are evil those who we as pro life would call pro abortionists (those who support it knowingly who are not in denial) are indeed very dangerous people and could well be classed as evil.

2ferano

replied on July 3rd, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

Once again samie, just because we do not agree with you and we do happen to be prochoice does not mean that we are misinformed. Don't pity us, we don't need it. Pity the women who you don't think should have a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Pity the woman who dies from carrying her child because uneducated people like you make abortion illegal! Pity the rape victim who now has to carry a child for nine months who was conceived in pure hate!

samie

replied on July 5th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

I pitty the unborn child the mother and most pro choicers who all fall victim to the lies and propergander poor child dies poor mother k ills and poor pro choicers believe its ok

samie

replied on July 5th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

I pitty the unborn child the mother and most pro choicers who all fall victim to the lies and propergander poor child dies poor mother k ills and poor pro choicers believe its ok

2ferano

replied on July 5th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

Once again, we are not misinformed. You are! Stop being stupid!

samie

replied on July 5th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

I am misinformed.... I ask you this question

does abortion k ill a human being?

2ferano

replied on July 5th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

No, it does not. We have been through this.

samie

replied on July 5th, 2004

Active User, very eHealthy

What is inside the womb then a bunch of sea weed?

2ferano

replied on July 6th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

A fetus, but in your case I would not doubt it was seaweed. Or maybe wacky weed.

sandyallen

replied on July 6th, 2004

Extremely eHealthy

Good going hotasfrick, you said it well, I don't know what mental hospital samie came out of but I feel she needs to go back!
And princess-529-98 you said it well too!
Sincerely,
sandy

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