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samie
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Post For Hotasfrick And Purple And Any Other Pro.c Christian
Posted: 06-28-04 07:00am
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As christians you believe in the teachings
of jesus christ!
Does jesus christ the son of the living
god command (not ask or request) you to
“love one another” you being christians
should know the answer is yes, he commands
all christians and mankind to love all
human beings without exception – for his
sake.
Agreed?
So as christians you are required by
christ to love all human beings by wishing
well to one another, by praying for one
another and by never allowing yourselves
any thought, word or deed to the injury
any human being without exception – for
his sake
agreed?
If this is so how can any christian
support a choice that injures another,
since the pro-choice movement is
physically injurious to unborn human
beings you must agree the pro-choice
movement and abortion itself is an enemy
of christ and ultimately of christianity
as a whole so how then can a christian be
pro choice.
Since most christian denominations don’t
recognise papal authority these
denominations must believe the souls of
these unborn human beings go directly to
hell since the babies have not been
christened in the name of the father, son
and holy spirit. And therefore abortion
and pro choice are injurious to the soul.
Jesus said “fear not those who k ill the
body but rather those who k ill the soul”
the only way in which you can even
slightly begin to lessen the effects of
abortion in the eyes of god and jesus
christ is if you believe in papal
authority i.E. You are roman catholic
since it is through the infallibility of
the pope that he can allow all aborted
babies to go directly to heaven through
his binding authority that each individual
baby becomes a martyr and joins the “holy
innocents” in heaven.
However since abortion is physically
injurious i.E. K ills the body it is
still a sin and against god “thou shall
not k ill” and no christian can defend
anything that is sinful and displeasing to
god to do so would be a grievous sin and
worthy of hell.
Since abortion k ills the unborn human
being, the woman, abortionist and anyone
directly or indirectly involved in the
abortion fall into grave sin and thus
abortion k ills the their souls “fear not
those who k ill the body but rather those
who k ill the soul”
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2ferano
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Posted: 06-29-04 00:12am
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Once again samie, there isn't a single
perfect person out there. There isn't
anyone who has not sinned. No sin is
greater than any other and sometimes we
make decisions that we feel are best for
us and they may or may not be a sin. We
are not perfect, that is why we
(christians) trust, believe and lean on
god.
Being prochoice does not mean that we like
abortion or want people to have one. It
simply means that we understand that the
choice needs to be there.
You don't listen.You keep bringing up the
same crap while ignoring the facts, so why
don't you just quit wasting everyone's
time?
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samie
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Posted: 06-29-04 03:48am
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I agree everyone is a sinner. I am not
sure you know the full extent of your term
“no sin is greater than the other”, it is
a true but not how I think you mean it.
Christ asked peter “if two people owed a
debt, one owed $1 and the other owed $100
both got let off with the debt which
person would have the most appreciation?”
oof course no sin is greater than the
other because all sin offends god and k
ills our soul that is why we need to ask
for forgivness (like I said before it is
repentance that leads to forgivness and
that leads to salvation not sin). To be
a christian you recognise jesus as your
saviour he shows us “the way” to live
shows us “the truth” of all things and
brings us to eternal “life”.
In other words you as a christian are
trying to become christ like and to be
quite honest defending abortion rights
under the guise of pro choice is going to
prevent your development in becoming
christ like.
One last thing… you wrote “we understand
that the choice needs to be there”
why do we need to be allowed to k ill our
children?
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princess529_98
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Posted: 06-29-04 09:43am
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I dont know sami you tell us why we need
to be allowed to kill our children. Why
did you kill your's??
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samie
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Posted: 06-29-04 10:35am
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The above post just goes to show you,
don’t be fooled by these pro choice people
who claim they only want what is best for
you and that they care about women its all
lies they will only care about you if you
support their way of thinking. Imagine
had I been pro choice and some pro lifer
had said that, good old princess and her
buddies would have been awfully caring and
supportive of me but because I am opposed
to their ways they call me a mur derer,
yes I am but it was because I listened to
people like you!
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princess529_98
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Posted: 06-29-04 15:03pm
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You say we all call you a mu rd erer
because you are opposed to our ways? Isnt
that what you have been calling us all
along? You let someone talk you into a
abortion and thats out fault? I dont
think so sami thats a big decision to make
not something you should let someone talk
you into give there advice opinions yes
but the final decision is yours and yours
only.. So dont sit there and fool
yourself by thinking that its us
pro-choice people that made you do that.
All your doing is trying to justify what
you did wrong and put the blame on others.
Well I for one wont sit and let you blame
your mistake for whatever reason you made
it on us. If you let someone talk you
into it then thats your stupid mistake not
ours...
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2ferano
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Posted: 06-29-04 18:33pm
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God, samie, you have some serious
issues.
Don't be fooled that these prochoicers
care about you....Blah blah?
Whatever......I do care. That is why I
am prochoice. You are the one who says
that if a woman is carrying a child and
the child and her will both definately die
if the child is carried full-term, that is
just too freakin bad. In your theory,
the woman should go ahead and just let
herself die along with her child.
So who is the one who does not care?
Get a clue samie.
Yes, I know that being a christian means
you have to ask for forgiveness to be
allowed into the kingdom of heaven. I
also know that we should try our hardest
not to sin.
But explain this one to me: if it was
god's plan for a woman and child to both
die in childbirth....Then why would he
allow the doctors to foresee it and give
the woman a chance to save herself?
Don't you think that maybe that was his
plan?
No, you don't think that way, because you
only care about the fetus.
Prochoicers care about everyone involved,
and we understand that there are different
circumstances.
You, don't care. You just want everyone
to join your little cult.
You need to open your eyes samie. If you
are going to try to argue with me or
"convert" me, you need to get some
intelligence first.
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samie
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Posted: 06-30-04 04:24am
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No I don’t believe mother and child should
be allowed to die, I don’t believe a
direct abortion is needed to save a
mothers life. However abortion in case
of mothers life was legal before the
abortion laws and would remain so if it
were changed I don’t think it should be
any other way.
Although I do care about the baby which
pro choice don’t, I care more about the
woman, society and other implications.
The religious fact that the baby goes
directly to heaven lessens the worry about
the child somewhat never the less those
babies still alive need protecting. Since
the abortion laws changed our idea of what
a person is, theologians have begun to
decide which born human beings are persons
and which are none persons, this is a
basic step, if we can k ill human beings
inside the womb because they are none
persons then surely we can k ill those
outside the womb who we have deemed to be
none persons. Already we are seeing
people arguing for infanticide since a
human being that cannot communicate well,
defend itself and survive on its own
without help from other human beings has
been deemed a none person by roe v wade
and used in the argument of viability.
Society needs to decide either all human
beings are equal or no one is equal giving
those with power, strengh, money, majority
and intelligence the right to choose to k
ill those deemed less strong, less
powerful, less rich, or less intelligent
that may include me and you!
I know it sounds far fetched and paranoid
but honestly this is the logic of the
abortion laws
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samie
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Posted: 06-30-04 04:40am
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"so dont sit there and fool yourself by
thinking that its us pro-choice people
that made you do that. "
i was brainwashed and fooled by pro choice
all I could see was myself and the fears I
had about my future, you see pro choice
prey on your fears. I was groomed at
school, by the television and the rest of
the media and the law confirmed that all I
was doing was ending a pregnancy, I wasn’t
k illing a child I was surgically removing
a blob of tissue if the law says its ok
then it must be ok, it must not be k
illing america would never allow us to k
ill children. It is exactly what you
believe now, don’t be fooled!
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2ferano
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Posted: 07-02-04 16:50pm
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You were fooled by some people who just
happened to be prochoice. That doesn't
mean we are all 'evil'
that is like saying that all black people
know each other and all white men have
small penises. (sorry, I am not racist,
so it was hard for me to come up with
something there.)
you are just prejudice against prochoice
people because you dealt with a couple
shady ones.
You don't think that prochoice people care
about the could-be baby? You are wrong.
We are just supportive and caring enough
to take into account whole situations and
be there for the woman no matter what her
decision. You don't care.
And here you go with direct abortion isn't
ever needed to save a woman's
life.....Enlighten us with that theory
again, it is freakin hillarious.
She says that having an abortion to save a
mothers life is never necessary, but
having an operation that is definately
going to kill the baby is okay. Explain
to me the difference...Oh wait, don't
bother because the last time you tried
that you made a fool of yourself.
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samie
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Posted: 07-03-04 04:44am
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Most pro choice people are just "normal"
decent people who have been bamboozeled by
terminologies, ideologies, fears and lies.
I dont hate them, I pitty them.
However those pro choicers who have
understood what abortion actually is still
support it and deny consistantly what it
is are either in denial or are somewhat
twisteted and evil, though I doubt many if
any are evil those who we as pro life
would call pro abortionists (those who
support it knowingly who are not in
denial) are indeed very dangerous people
and could well be classed as evil.
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2ferano
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Posted: 07-03-04 18:00pm
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Once again samie, just because we do not
agree with you and we do happen to be
prochoice does not mean that we are
misinformed. Don't pity us, we don't
need it. Pity the women who you don't
think should have a
choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Pity the woman who
dies from carrying her child because
uneducated people like you make abortion
illegal! Pity the rape victim who now has
to carry a child for nine months who was
conceived in pure hate!
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samie
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Posted: 07-05-04 06:53am
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I pitty the unborn child the mother and
most pro choicers who all fall victim to
the lies and propergander poor child dies
poor mother k ills and poor pro choicers
believe its ok
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samie
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Posted: 07-05-04 06:54am
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I pitty the unborn child the mother and
most pro choicers who all fall victim to
the lies and propergander poor child dies
poor mother k ills and poor pro choicers
believe its ok
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2ferano
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Posted: 07-05-04 14:04pm
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Once again, we are not misinformed. You
are! Stop being stupid!
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samie
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Posted: 07-05-04 14:06pm
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I am misinformed.... I ask you this
question
does abortion k ill a human being?
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2ferano
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Posted: 07-05-04 14:07pm
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No, it does not. We have been through
this.
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samie
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Posted: 07-05-04 14:10pm
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What is inside the womb then a bunch of
sea weed?
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2ferano
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Posted: 07-06-04 00:49am
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A fetus, but in your case I would not
doubt it was seaweed. Or maybe wacky
weed.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 07-06-04 01:19am
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Good going hotasfrick, you said it well, I
don't know what mental hospital samie came
out of but I feel she needs to go back!
And princess-529-98 you said it well
too!
Sincerely,
sandy
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