Gout Cured After 27 Years Posted: 06-05-04 02:43am
For 27 years I saw numerous doctors and
took heavy doses of gout medicine, yet my
gout was getting worse and worse. Then I
accidentally cured it by drink baking soda
in water 2 years ago. Ever since, I have
stopped taking gout medicine and been on
unrestricted diet, yet my gout has not
returned. The irony is that when I was
on gout medicine my blood uric acid level
was low but I had endless gout attacks.
Now I have stopped taking gout medicine
and my blood uric level is high, yet there
is no gout attack. My webpage: http://www.Icuredmygout.Org
describes my gout experiences as well as
gout causes, diet, prevention, and the
cure. Please post your comments so other
readers can benefit from them. Best
regards. ( I am not selling anything.)
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kingsmonarch
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Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Posts: 18 Location: California
Thank You! Posted: 05-21-05 19:59pm
Gout runs in my family on my father's
side. My dad used to use dmso on it and
swore it helped the best, but since that
is a byproduct of the timber industry and
is usually only available through animal
hospitals and not for human use, I will
not consider it.
I was first diagnosed this feb 05, days
after being told by my employer that the
company was closing down. I am a
stress-eater, so I imagine I was a gout
attack just waiting to happen. I did not
visit this web site until my second
attack, just 3 weeks after recovering from
the first attack (the first being in my
left big toe, the second in my right
mid-foot and ankle). My Dr. Put me on
allopurinol after the 1st attack, so I
stayed on it during the second. I am
also taking naproxin for inflammation and
pain.
I have hypertension (high blood pressure)
so was a little cautious regarding the
baking soda, but decided to try it anyway.
The redness went away in 24 hrs, and the
intense pain started diminishing almost as
fast. I was left with a lingering
soreness which was not a problem at all.
My blood pressure remained normal. I
took 1/2 teaspoon in am and 1/2 teaspoon
in pm - about 12 hrs apart.
Foolish, because I was feeling so good, I
quit the soda (can not stand the taste!)
and went to do water aerobics. Boom!
After the second aerobic session in two
days the pain was back in booth feet!
Well, I am back on my soda, resting and
elevating, and the pain is subsiding.
It seems each of us must find our own way
with this problem, but I do thank you for
sharing about the soda because it has been
helpful for me finding my way in dealing
with gout.
Ps-i posted the question regarding gout
and gastric bypass. I have not had the
surgery but was considering it.
Kingsmonarch
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JHM
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Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 5
Baking Soda Posted: 05-23-05 06:26am
I went to my doctor friday for routine
blood test because of the allopurinol
medicine. I told him about the baking
soda that you say cured you of gout. He
said no way could it do that. He said
first the baking soda would go to the
stomach and neutralize the acid there,
then it would go thru the intestines and
be eliminated, he said it would never even
get into the blood stream. I said the
person said it cured his gout, he said no,
he cured his gout by changing his diet and
not drinking alcohol. I guess doctors
only believe what they learn in med
school.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 227
Posted: 05-23-05 15:44pm
Hi, kingsmonark, I am very glad baking
soda in water helped you resolve the gout
attack. I am wondering how much more
effective was your treatment of the second
attack (with baking soda in water) as
compared with the treatment of the first
attack (without bs). You may like to
take low dose colchicine or nsaid with
allopurinol for a few months to prevent
possible attacks. More info on how to
take allopurinol can be found in paragraph
4.8 of http://www.Icuredmygout.Org . I
will respond to your gastric bypass post
in the separate thread. Thank you for
your info and take care.
Hi, jhm, thank you for sharing the info
with us. I think it was in our junior
high chemistry class we were taught that
our stomach split salt (nacl, sodium
chloride) in water into stomach juice
(hcl, hydrochloric acid) and lye (naoh,
sodium hydroxide); lye is then combined
with co2 to form baking soda (nahco3,
sodium bicarbonate) -- i.E., nacl + h2o
---> hcl + naoh, naoh + co2 --->
nahco3. It is correct baking soda gets
neutralized by stomach juice. But in
order to compensate for the "lost" stomach
juice that is used to neutralize baking
soda, the stomach produces extra stomach
juice, as well as extra nahco3 -- which is
discharged into the blood stream and raise
the the blood ph. Eventually nahco3 in
the blood is filtered through the kidneys
and raises the urine ph. Doctors do
prescribe sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)
to raise the urine ph to prevent uric acid
stones. If baking soda "would never even
get into the blood stream", how could it
get to the kidneys and alkalize the urine?
I would replace your statement "i guess
doctors only believe what they learn in
med school" with " ...Doctors sometimes
forget what they were taught in med
school".
As to "he cured his gout by changing his
diet and not drinking alcohol", my
responses are: 1) the amount of alcohol
I drank is about the same before and after
I cured my gout. 2) I think by
"changing his diet" he meant I switched to
low purine diet -- which is far from the
truth. I do reduce the intake of acidic
foods and drinks, but I have been on high
purine diet before and after I cured my
gout. It is a myth to me that low purine
diet prevent recurrent gout attacks. I
have not seen any data that support the
myth. In my opinion, the myths such as
low purine diet prevent recurrent gout
attacks, distract gout patients and cause
them the unnecessary suffering. To
date, among the 152 users who responded to
my survey said it is "extremely useful"
(56%), "very useful" (15%), or "useful"
(15%) to treat and prevent gout with
baking soda in water.
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JHM
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 5
Posted: 05-24-05 05:55am
Hi jyy2,
I agree with you about the
purines in the diet. I have checked many
reccommended low purine diets, and with
the exception of organ meats, I find all
kinds of discrepancies. Do not drink
milk, drink milk, eat white flour
products, do not eat white flour
products........My blood ph was 4.6 from
the test friday. If someone is on
allopurinol, would the baking soda lower
the ph too much? Thanks!
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 227
Posted: 05-24-05 10:47am
Normal range for the blood ph is
7.35~7.45, for the blood uric acid level
is 3.5~7 mg/dl. By "my blood ph was
4.6" I think you meant "my blood uric acid
level is 4.6" which is what docs like to
see in gout patients. Taking 10 grams (2
tsp.) a day of baking soda can lower the
blood uric acid level by about 1 mg/dl in
a healthy person. I don't know what it
can do to you. You may be able to figure
it out from your records.
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JHM
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 5
Posted: 05-24-05 10:59am
Yes, you are right. I meant uric acid
level.
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kingsmonarch
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Posts: 18 Location: California
Posted: 05-27-05 16:17pm
Thanks jyy2:
yes, my dr gave me an rx for colchicine
since I had three attacks in three months.
I am not to take it until the next acute
attack. I am to continue on the
allopurinol and naproxin for now.
It took 2-1/2 weeks for the first attack
(without baking soda) to let up (taking
naproxin and lots of water per Dr.) it
has been one week since the onset of the
last attack (took baking soda) and I am
pain-free today. This is a clear
improvement. :p I did a little "water
walking" in the pool yesterday, so am
slowly building up my exercise level as
well.
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low
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Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 5
Re: Gout Cured After 27 Years Posted: 06-01-05 05:01am
jyy2
wrote:
for 27 years I saw numerous
doctors and took heavy doses of gout
medicine, yet my gout was getting worse
and worse. Then I accidentally cured it
by drink baking soda in water 2 years ago.
Ever since, I have stopped taking gout
medicine and been on unrestricted diet,
yet my gout has not returned. The irony
is that when I was on gout medicine my
blood uric acid level was low but I had
endless gout attacks. Now I have
stopped taking gout medicine and my blood
uric level is high, yet there is no gout
attack. My webpage: http://www.Icuredmygout.Org
describes my gout experiences as well as
gout causes, diet, prevention, and the
cure. Please post your comments so
other readers can benefit from them.
Best regards. ( I am not selling
anything.)
hi, I had read you webpage. And really
great to hear there is actually a cure for
gout. Just a question, do you need to
take soda daily just like those pill.
And in my country, there is those can
drink like coke or pesi but is soda, do
you know if we can take that instead of
mixing ourself ?
Thankyou.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 227
Posted: 06-02-05 12:55pm
Baking soda in water is not a treatment
for gout in mainstream medicine. I just
accidentally found it to be extremely
useful for my gout. I have not read about
how much or how long can a person take it
to treat gout. First time I used it I
took it for 2 weeks. Then I stopped it
for weeks or months. Now I take it on and
off when I feel like it. I have no
problem with it in past 3 years.
Although soft drinks like coke, pepsi,
7-up,.., are often called soda pops, they
do not contain baking soda (sodium
bicarbonate). Carbon dioxide is pumped
into the drink to make bubbles, which
turns into carbonic acid. These drinks
have a ph of 2~3 and are very bad for
gout.
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low
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Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 5
Posted: 06-09-05 03:09am
jyy2
wrote:
baking soda in water is not
a treatment for gout in mainstream
medicine. I just accidentally found it
to be extremely useful for my gout. I
have not read about how much or how long
can a person take it to treat gout.
First time I used it I took it for 2
weeks. Then I stopped it for weeks or
months. Now I take it on and off when I
feel like it. I have no problem with it
in past 3 years.
Although soft drinks like coke, pepsi,
7-up,.., are often called soda pops, they
do not contain baking soda (sodium
bicarbonate). Carbon dioxide is pumped
into the drink to make bubbles, which
turns into carbonic acid. These drinks
have a ph of 2~3 and are very bad for
gout.
thanks for the reply.
I mean those can drink that we mix with
brandy. And it contain purely sodium
bicarbonate and carbonated water only.
Thanks again.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 227
Posted: 06-09-05 21:02pm
I don't know what exactly is in the drink
you have mentioned. To be sure, mix your
own baking soda in water.
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low
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Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 5
Posted: 06-10-05 00:40am
jyy2
wrote:
i don't know what exactly is
in the drink you have mentioned. To be
sure, mix your own baking soda in
water.
thanks
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wilhm
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 1
Posted: 07-14-05 14:32pm
Hi jyy2,
i'm in my early 40s and had my first
attack of gout a few months back. It
started in one big toe then a few days
later I got it in the the other foot
aswell. To make things worse I injured my
ankles whilst trying to walk and ended up
on crutches for a couple of weeks! I
still have residiual soreness and
stiffness in both big toe joints. I
discovered your website and have started
on the baking soda to try and eliminate
the stiffness completely. It seems to be
having some effect. I've also given up
coffee because I noticed the soreness
reduced when I stopped drinking it for a
few days and returned once back on it.
I have question regarding the action of
baking soda: if the uric acid crystals are
usually coated in a protein, doesn't this
act as a buffer,preventing them from
dissolving in the blood even if the ph is
increased by bs?
Thanks again for all the info you've
provided on this subject - it's been a
great help.
Regards
wilhm
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lonebluelady
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 1
Here's a Random Tip... Posted: 07-20-05 03:27am
My dad and my grandpa both have really bad
outbursts of gout. My grandpas gone to
the doctor a million times but is always
on alot of different medications, so
everything seems to counteract. My dad
has never gone to the doctor for it, but
randomly (not sure how this happened
really) he discovered that taking midol
helps. My dad thinks it might be because
it's a mild dieretic (sp?) but who
knows... He's been using it for years
though and swears by it. Thought it might
be worth something to somebody
erin
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frieshoo
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Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 1
Baking Soda Is Working For Me. Posted: 09-08-05 11:33am
The baking soda treatment is working for
me. I have had 4 attacks of gout in the
last 2 years. The last attack hit my
left knee... I was sick of the meds the
doctor gave me, and started looking for
alternative treatments. I found this
article by a doctor, and gave the baking
soda a try.
after three days the pain, and most of the
swelling was gone. I'm going to take
1/2 tsp of baking soda every night, I
believe it's the reason the gout left so
quick.
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dfranco
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Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 2
Thanks Jyy Posted: 10-04-05 22:13pm
Hi all,
i got a gout attack about 13 days ago and
is my first one. This weekend I try to
read as much as I could about gout and I
was getting crazy: don't eat this!! Eat
that!!! Etc, etc, the only thing that
made sense was what I read on jyy's page
about baking soda. Yesterday the pain on
my right toe was as bad as at the
beginning of the attack. The doctor
prescribed me colchicine and the only
thing I got from it was big side effects
and even I lost 5 kilos in one night
because of the diarrhoea (what a way to
loose weight!!!). I decided to give a try
to the baking soda last night and this
morning the pain almost disappeared. I
haven't changed my diet much, the only
thing that I stopped and that maybe
triggered my gout was alcohol, it's been
almost one month since I decided no to
drink alcohol any more.
I feel lucky that I came across with jyy's
page and good to know that baking soda is
helping a lot of people with the agonizing
pain produced by gout.
Thanks jyy.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 227
Posted: 10-07-05 14:47pm
I am very glad your gout attack has
subsided overnight. May I ask, when did
you start taking colchicine and at what
dosage? And, when did you stop drinking
alcohol -- a month ago or the day you took
baking soda? I am trying to understand
more about gout and baking soda. Thanks.
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dfranco
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Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 2
Hi Jyy Posted: 10-13-05 20:50pm
I stopped drinking alcohol exactly one
month ago and the gout attack started 2
weeks after that. I went to the doctor 4
days after the attack and she prescribed
colchicine, two tablets the first time and
one tablet every 2 hours, I checked on the
internet about the drug and was
recommended no to swallow more than 16
tablets. I started having bad side
effects after the 13th tablet so I stopped
anyway.
Colchicine didn't do much for me really,
only bad side effects, even the doctor was
surprised the drug didn't work. That
weekend was long weekend here in australia
so I could stay at home without having to
walk too much. I decided to try baking
soda and I bought ibuprofen and the pain
was almost gone on the next day.
I went back to see my doctor for my blood
test and she prescribed something stronger
instead of ibuprofen, i'm now swallowing
voltaren 50:
(diclofenac sodium 50 mg), I take 100mg
per day. Unfortunately I have to walk a
lot at work and my big toe still a little
bit swollen but without much pain. I'm
still drinking baking soda and using
voltaren. This is my third week since the
attack.
It seems to be that many factors triggered
my gout attack, all at the same time : we
are in spring in australia now; drastic
changes in my life (stopped drinking
alcohol); started drinking vegi juices in
the mornings which are 80% tomato juice; I
have always had high levels of uric acid
and no looking after the food I eat.
Seems to be that bs is doing well and i'll
try to look after my diet ,i've been
reading a lot about alkaline diets, eat
more vegetables I think.
See you later
cheers dfranco
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JonBo
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Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 3
Posted: 10-13-05 23:05pm
Hi folks,
oh, the dreaded gout! I've been
suffering with this off and on since I was
25 years old (now 40). At first,
colchicine and indocin was prescribed.
Colchicine is absolutely worthless.. I
remember one episode in my early 30s at a
superbowl party, not drinking, but
visiting the toilet every 10 minutes and
feeling like I was going to die...
Luckily, it was a bad game (think denver
won). Gout got worse over the period.
What a bad deal.
Then came allopurinol, which I have had
major success on now since 1997. I have
had only a half dozen mild attacks since
then, and most of these were due to
excessive beer binges.
I have now since given up the alcohol
altogether.. Funny thing about gout is
that you think it's punishment for
gluttonous sins, then you realize, it gets
you when you are as clean as a monk on
organic veges. It definitely is an equal
opportunity attacker.. 8 weeks off the
beer, working out like schwarzennegger, my
wife digging my toned biceps and abs..
And I get my first bad attack in 8 years!
So, it must have to do with "body state"
or "equilibrium".. Any changes to the
uric acid levels, up or down, or ph.. Up
or down siqnificantly will trigger an
attack.
As I write this, i'm slurping down my
first baking soda water drink. I will
have another just before bed too..
Currently on ibuprofen all day.. Will
take 400 mg tonight before bed.
Thanks for your help! This therapy makes
sense.. Doctors don't know much about
nutrition.. I think they skip that one at
school.. Too busy looking at test
tubes.
