Facial Hair And Acne From Hugging Posted: 05-14-04 01:22am
Women who have partners that use
prescription topical testosterone (male
hormone) are at risk for elevated male
hormone themselves according to the
product label. Symptoms from this
situation could be increased facial hair,
new onset of abdomen or chest hair, and
acne. If more severe symptoms are
paresent there may be balding, irregular
periods and voice changes. A clinical
study has shown that levels of male
hormone can increase 4-6 fold in female
partners of topical male hormone users
under certain conditions. Some experts
say they have never seen a problem case
from such transference of the drug. My
theory is that no one has looked. Is
anyone aware of a situation where such
symptoms have developed because of a
partner's topical male hormone use?
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-17-04 14:36pm
What are topical male hormones used for?
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Research Doc
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Posted: 05-18-04 00:32am
Topical male hormone (testosterone) is
used by men with a deficiency in male
hormone.
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-25-04 16:12pm
Yes, but what is it used for topically?
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Research Doc
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Topical Testosterone Posted: 05-26-04 20:07pm
Men with testosterone deficiency can have
symptoms that include tiredness, lack of
energy, loss of interest in work and sex,
and impotence. One delivery system for
testosterone replacement is a topical
delivery system designed for the
testosterone to be absorbed into the body
through the skin. It can produce adequate
testosterone levels in the man, but at the
same time any gel rubbed off on partners,
children, or pregnant women can also
deliver testosterone through the skin into
the partners body potentially resulting in
"male like" side effects or harm to the
baby.
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-27-04 06:50am
Thank you. I understand now. My
question is: why don't they take a pill
instead then? That way it cannot rub off
onto anyone else?
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Research Doc
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Posted: 06-02-04 06:38am
Testosterone pills that can be swallowed
are not available because the testosterone
is digested in the stomach. Injections,
patches, gels, and a buccal tablet (stays
between the cheek and gum) are the
available delivery systems for natural
testosterone. Gels are by far the most
widely used by doctors. Many doctors and
patients are not aware of the recently
approved buccal tablet.
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Muscles181
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Topical Steriods Posted: 06-13-04 23:10pm
Steroids are simply testosteron that has
been adjusted for a desired result.
Somtimes more androgenic (male
characteristic-facial hair, deep voice,
aggresivness) somtimes more anabolic
(muscular gains). Yes! There are oral
steriods! They are harder on the liver
than injectables and stay in the body for
only a few days. Injectables have much
longer effects. If you inject 200 mg of a
steroid that your liver eliminates 17mg a
day then on the 1st day you use 200 mg,
the second day 183mg and so on until it is
eliminated. Oral steriods are almost
soley used (usually abused) by athletes
because of their short life in the body
and have little medical use for hormone
replacement. They are somtimes used to
maintain muscle mass when a patient is
unable to maintain usual physical activity
such as mono. Injectables are the more
common choice for the long term user who
has a testosterone defficiency. Topical
steriods are not used to alter hormones at
all!!!! They do but not as effectivly not
to mention the dossage is rediculously
low! They are used for skin disorders and
rashes such as excema. Codisone is a
steroid and so are the ingredients in many
anti itch cremes. I know. I am a
football player and powerlifter and have
severe excema on my feet. Although I do
not use anabolic steroids myself I know
people who do and have seen the effects
and know for a fact that I experience
very few of the side effects of steroids
from the use of topical steroid cremes.
Look at a bottle of embolene, the most
powerful topical steroid availble. A
large tube contains 17mg of actual
steroid. The usual dosage of testosterone
or steroids is often around 200! And a
tube of embolene can last me a few months.
The effect on women however can be
significant. Because of the low level of
testosterone in women they are very
sensative even to small quainties of it.
Effects of steroids in women are dependant
on dosage. Even small quantities can have
a major and somtimes permanant effect. In
men however it is usually time related
because the have large quantities of
testosteron anyway. If the part of your
body you put the creme on rubs up against
your woman she will be affected even if
you notice no side effects of steroids at
all, so you should be careful. I mainly
wrote this to dispute the previous post
saying that topical testosterone was used
for hormone treatment. In men you would
have to rub a few tubes all over your body
a few times a day to get noticable effect
from anything over the counter and even
with most prescriptions.
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2ferano
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Posted: 06-14-04 01:18am
Hey, thanks for the info! I was confused
earlier, that is the only reason I had
asked those questions. But, thanks for
clarifying.
Just out of curiosity, the hormone
injections (and pills) that they give you
when you have bad hives (or something like
that) what are classified as? I mean,
will these particular steroids build
muscle mass if used continuosly, or are
they just used for the above mentioned?
I am not wanting to use them, I just
wondered as I have been given it before
for hives.
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Reply to Muscles181 Posted: 06-14-04 07:10am
Thanks so much for the information on
testosterone use in athletes. I am not an
athlete and am only aware of prescription
use of testosterone and other prescription
anabolic steroids (often used to treat the
wasting conditions of chronic disease such
as cancer and aids). Your information on
oral anabolic steroid side effects is
spot-on...They can be dangerous. However,
I am also very familiar with the use of
prescription "testosterone" and the
topical use is the most frequently
prescribed testostereone by
endocrinologists and urologists for men
with "hypogonadism". Hypogonadism is a
condition where the testicles produce too
little testosterone usually resulting in
levels less than 200 pg/ml. The normal
range is from 300-1050 pg/ml. These
individuals are symptomatic and are not
sure why they are so tired and
uninterested in their previous pursuits.
There are many men in the us so affected,
but few who seek treatment. The highest
occurrence of hypogonadism is at age 50
and older. Of those who seek treatment
the most prescribed medication at this
time is a testosterone gel which brings
testosterone levels back into the normal
range. If you are interested in the
prescription products I refer to, you can
find them on the fda website. On the fda
website you can also find the study
results for the gel which demonstrate
tranference to partners. More than
165,000 men in the us use testosterone gel
to treat their hypogonadism, mainly men in
their 50's, 60's, and 70's. Transference
to children (of the few younger men; and
grandchildren of the many more older men)
has been documented to be a problem. I am
seeking information on cases where the
female partner may also be symptomatic
from the testosterone gel transference
from prescriptions given to hypogonadal
men by endocrinologists and urologists.
The study done by the manufacturer and
posted with the review on the fda website
was done with male/female partners and the
testosterone level in the women rose
significantly in that study. You are
lucky to be young and virile, other men,
especially older men are not so fortunate.
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Error In Units Posted: 06-19-04 08:55am
Please accept my apology for an error I
noted in my earlier reply. The normal
range for testosterone in adult men is
300-1050 ng/dl (not pg/ml).
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More Reply to Muscles181 Posted: 06-25-04 11:43am
Just today I ran across a report in a
medical journal that may be of interest on
this topic. Here it is:
pediatrics 1999 aug;104(2):e23 (issn:
1098-4275)
yu ym; punyasavatsu n; elder d; d'ercole
aj
division of pediatric endocrinology,
department of pediatrics, university of
north carolina, chapel hill, north
carolina 27599-7220, usa. Ymy62@
med.Unc.Edu.Com.
Virilization, including penile enlargement
and growth of pubic hair and facial acne,
developed in a 2-year-old boy over a
period of months. This sexual development
was induced by incidental and
unintentional dermal exposure to a
testosterone cream that was applied to his
father's arm and back as a part of body
building regimen. Except for penile size,
the other signs of virilization diminished
several months after the exposure was
discontinued.
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