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aochriss

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Posted: 05-11-08 18:40pm

Parents shouldn't have to be forced to take care of another child, either.
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Posted: 05-12-08 13:55pm

so taking her down to get an abortion is the next best thing!?
forcing it upon her is the next best thing?
there are other options, but i dont think that young teens, or the parents of the teen think about the other option. I think they only think about getting rid of the baby so it does not become a burden on them, despite what the teen mother has to say.
Sure parents dont want to care for their teens kid, but they could baby sit the child while the teen goes to work, and then pay the parents back after they get their situation together.
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Posted: 05-12-08 15:46pm

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so taking her down to get an abortion is the next best thing!?

If she wants one, yes.

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forcing it upon her is the next best thing?

Absolutely not. Abortion is the choice of the pregnant woman and no one else.

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there are other options, but i dont think that young teens, or the parents of the teen think about the other option.

They think about it all the time; there wouldn't be so many pregnant highschool drop outs if they were all aborting. In fact I'd be willing to be that MOST teens give birth as opposed to abort. A very tiny percentage adopts; I'd be willing to bet that fewer teens adopt than abort.

Most keep.
Some abort.
Few adopt.

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I think they only think about getting rid of the baby so it does not become a burden on them, despite what the teen mother has to say.

The teen's mother has no obligation to care for that baby and I would tell my daughter the exact same thing. Abort if you want, keep if you want or adopt if you want. However, if you keep it, you will be out of my house. Raising a baby is the job of an adult, so if you're keeping it that tells me you consider yourself an adult, and I will treat you as such.

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Sure parents dont want to care for their teens kid, but they could baby sit the child while the teen goes to work, and then pay the parents back after they get their situation together.

I'll babysit your child if you don't live in my house and if you're paying me. I already raised my daughter; I'm not raising my grandchild. What about my life? I just spent 15-18 years raising a child. I want to go surfing.
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Posted: 05-12-08 17:13pm

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I'll babysit your child if you don't live in my house and if you're paying me. I already raised my daughter; I'm not raising my grandchild. What about my life? I just spent 15-18 years raising a child. I want to go surfing.


BRAVO!!!! BRAVO!!!! I feel the same way.
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Posted: 05-12-08 20:20pm

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Sure parents dont want to care for their teens kid, but they could baby sit the child while the teen goes to work, and then pay the parents back after they get their situation together.


That is so selfish and naive to think, expect, or assume that teen's parent, will or should take part in raising a grandchild by babysitting. I don't care if you ever pay them back, not like they would accept it anyway. Parents of teens are on the edge of their child rearing days and want a little bit of free time before grandchildren are born.
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Posted: 05-12-08 21:36pm

krystineM did say "they COULD" not "they SHOULD".
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Posted: 05-12-08 22:47pm

I know what your saying Birch but I don't think that it is right to assume your parents will help out, after all they just (or at least thought) they were almost finished raising kids.
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Posted: 05-13-08 13:05pm

Yes its the teens [both boy and girl] fault with the pregnancy,
and yes they should take action and be responsible.
But we all know that raising kids is hard, i mean you dont necessarily have to have a kid to not know that..but having the parents there as support and to help them out a little -not take over and raise the kid- goes a long way, don't you think?
no teen knows what their doing when a baby is born, hell no adult knows exactaly what their doing when a baby is born too!
Don't you think that giving them a little helping hand would help them out to be better parents?
I don't understand why they can't continue to go to school though, i mean it is hard to do while pregnant, but it can be done...
And lele25, im not quite sure how that would be selfish for grandparents to baby sit their grandchild, first off daycare costs an arm and a leg, yet a teen is supposed to pull this money out of her a$$? and second, wouldn't you rather have your child around family[grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles] -than around people who do not care about your kid really [day cares do their job, but dont care or listen to things a child can't have ex. allergies etc.]and around other kids you dont know well,- and let them get to know their grandparents more and build a close relationship with them? This would be a burden or a selfish thing to do? Some grandparents would kill to have a better relationship with their grandchild, let alone see them a little more..
I dont think it's selfish if 1 they offer/ask to do this for you and 2 they are willing to give you a helping start
And it was not an assumption.
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Posted: 05-13-08 13:42pm

This is all assuming that the grandparent/s are home during the day. What if they are working too? Then, like every other parent, the Teen in question would have to get daycare.

I don't know about Canada, but in the states, Teen Moms are getting their daycare paid for while they finish school. And a lot of alternative schools have daycare on site. It is a co-op program, but the teen parents also get credit for helping out. Free daycare AND class credit. That is pretty sweet.

As an parent, I know that I am done having children. If I wanted more children, I'd have more of my own. Or I would adopt. I don't want someone choosing for me when I will be raising or financially supporting more children. It isn't MY CHOICE. A parent (the teen in question) gets this choice, but the grandparent doesn't? That is a bad argument.

If you are old enough to procreate, you are old enough to support that child. If you aren't, you need to make other arrangements. This is what having a child is all about. If you cannot afford daycare, use birth control. If you think going to high school while pregnant is hard - try going to college full time while working full time AND having a child. It isn't getting any easier for anyone - but don't think someone else should shoulder your responsibility as a parent.
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Posted: 05-13-08 14:42pm

In Canada you have to pay, teen parent or not, you pay...im guessing maybe there is a discount or some part of it that is paid by government, but as far as i know, we have to pay for it. I know that some high schools have daycare so teens can go to school, and have the child in daycare, but i think you have to pay for that, also universities and some colleges do as well.
But that does sound pretty sweet.
Like i said before, its not financially supporting them, just giving a helping hand, is babysitting grandchild that much of a burden on grandparents? Sure kids are tough to deal with, but its your family...
Not every child will go to daycare just so you know. Either a one parent works, and one is the stay-at-home-parent, OR grandparents offer to babysit for them.
I dont think its that bad to just offer your kid a helping start when their a new parent. Not supporting them financially, just giving them a helping start in the path their taking.
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Posted: 05-13-08 15:24pm

Ingi asked but you didn't address it, I'm guessing that the teen's parents are working. Yes, it would be a burden if they were supposed to babysit while the teen was at school and then when she had to work.
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Posted: 05-13-08 15:34pm

yes, but they could possibly set up/arrange a day or two where the teens parents could offer to babysit the child.
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Posted: 05-13-08 15:53pm

Again, if the parents are working, it places an undue financial burden on the parents not to work for a few days every week.

If the 'Teen Mom' has the choice to be a parent or not. Shouldn't she take the responsibility of being a parent? That is what being a parent is.

I know you have fabulous intentions about how everyone should parent and it would be a wonderful utopia where no one argues and everyone hugs - but trust me, when your child is 14 and is acting ALL OF 14, you'll have a different viewpoint on the parenting issues Wink
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:00pm

..they dont get days off during the week?
they couldn't offer to do this while they have time off to spend time with their grandchild?
Those around her could offer a hand to the teen mom.
I know that if my teenager came home one day and said 'mom, im pregnant,' i wouldn't say ok well time to pack your things and out you go!
I'd offer my help and support as much as i could, but explain that, yes this is their responsibility, and you cannot expect others to do everything for you, we can only give so much help, but you have to meet us half way, and not take us for granted.
Im sure i'll have different views, but i would never tell my kid you have to do it all on your own, because i think that's where teens get into trouble when a teen parent [not all the time] but some give up easier or have their kids taken away, some do manage, its still a struggle, but i would let my child know that i will be here to support and help her know matter what.
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:08pm

What do these parents do on the weekends / their days off? I mean, they might jump out of airplanes or go mountain climbing. They could spent their days off doing what they choose to do now that their kids are 'grown' enough to take care of themselves. These parents have already raised their children and spent their weekends doing soccer games, family dinners, etc.

I raise my children to know about birth control. I raise my children to know that when you make the decision to have a child, that is YOUR decision - it is not mine. I'll be grandma and that will be great. But that doesn't mean my life goes on hold. I've been a mom for a long time now (longer than you've been alive) and when my kids are old enough, I'll be done with the mom thing and have moved on to the Me Thing.
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:17pm

Are grandparents not thrilled about a new baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active people, but i would guess that they would want to spend a bit more time with the new baby than go jumping out of a plane where they could do that really if you think about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different than yours, because even though my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are older now, have done the mom and dad thing, they all still want to play an active role in the childrens lives. And they dont consider watching their grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting, to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much spending time with the kids in our family.
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:18pm

krystineM wrote:
I'd offer my help and support as much as i could, but explain that, yes this is their responsibility, and you cannot expect others to do everything for you, we can only give so much help, but you have to meet us half way, and not take us for granted.


Nothing wrong with this.

If that's the grandparent's choice, of course.

I think if a child of mine was pregnant, I would support their choice, but support the choice of abortion stronger than the choice of parenting. Cool
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:20pm

krystineM wrote:
Are grandparents not thrilled about a new baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active people, but i would guess that they would want to spend a bit more time with the new baby than go jumping out of a plane where they could do that really if you think about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different than yours, because even though my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are older now, have done the mom and dad thing, they all still want to play an active role in the childrens lives. And they dont consider watching their grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting, to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much spending time with the kids in our family.


Didn't your mom kick you out though?
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:24pm

Ingi wrote:
krystineM wrote:
Are grandparents not thrilled about a new baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active people, but i would guess that they would want to spend a bit more time with the new baby than go jumping out of a plane where they could do that really if you think about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different than yours, because even though my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are older now, have done the mom and dad thing, they all still want to play an active role in the childrens lives. And they dont consider watching their grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting, to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much spending time with the kids in our family.


Didn't your mom kick you out though?


My mom kicked me out long before i became pregnant.
I may not be living under the same roof as her, but we have put our differences aside, and we are getting along now.
What does her kicking me out have to do with her wanting to spend time with her grandchild?
I guess i should have put my family AND my fiancee's family do things differently.

Birch, why not support or suggest adoption rather than abortion?
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:31pm

krystineM wrote:
Ingi wrote:
krystineM wrote:
Are grandparents not thrilled about a new baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active people, but i would guess that they would want to spend a bit more time with the new baby than go jumping out of a plane where they could do that really if you think about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different than yours, because even though my parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are older now, have done the mom and dad thing, they all still want to play an active role in the childrens lives. And they dont consider watching their grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting, to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much spending time with the kids in our family.


Didn't your mom kick you out though?


My mom kicked me out long before i became pregnant.
I may not be living under the same roof as her, but we have put our differences aside, and we are getting along now.
What does her kicking me out have to do with her wanting to spend time with her grandchild?
I guess i should have put my family AND my fiancee's family do things differently.

Birch, why not support or suggest adoption rather than abortion?


Getting kicked out doesn't sound very supportive of you, that is what I meant. Sounds like she wasn't supportive of you to the point of making you leave her home. And you didn't move in with your dad, so one could venture a guess that there was a lack of support there too.

I'm just saying, a persons choice to have a child is their own personal choice. They shouldn't expect someone else to pick up any of the burden. If grandparents choose to spend a few hours a week with their grandchildren, that is great for everyone! But it shouldn't be seen as an obligation for anyone.
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