Parents shouldn't have to be forced to
take care of another child, either.
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krystineM
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Posted: 05-12-08 13:55pm
so taking her down to get an abortion is
the next best thing!?
forcing it upon her is the next best
thing?
there are other options, but i dont think
that young teens, or the parents of the
teen think about the other option. I think
they only think about getting rid of the
baby so it does not become a burden on
them, despite what the teen mother has to
say.
Sure parents dont want to care for their
teens kid, but they could baby sit the
child while the teen goes to work, and
then pay the parents back after they get
their situation together.
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Posted: 05-12-08 15:46pm
krystineM
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so taking her down to get an
abortion is the next best
thing!?
If she wants one, yes.
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forcing it upon
her is the next best
thing?
Absolutely not. Abortion is the choice of
the pregnant woman and no one else.
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there are other
options, but i dont think that young
teens, or the parents of the teen think
about the other option.
They think about it all the time; there
wouldn't be so many pregnant highschool
drop outs if they were all aborting. In
fact I'd be willing to be that MOST teens
give birth as opposed to abort. A very
tiny percentage adopts; I'd be willing to
bet that fewer teens adopt than abort.
Most keep.
Some abort.
Few adopt.
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I think they only
think about getting rid of the baby so it
does not become a burden on them, despite
what the teen mother has to
say.
The teen's mother has no obligation to
care for that baby and I would tell my
daughter the exact same thing. Abort if
you want, keep if you want or adopt if you
want. However, if you keep it, you will be
out of my house. Raising a baby is the job
of an adult, so if you're keeping it that
tells me you consider yourself an adult,
and I will treat you as such.
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Sure parents dont
want to care for their teens kid, but they
could baby sit the child while the teen
goes to work, and then pay the parents
back after they get their situation
together.
I'll babysit your child if you don't live
in my house and if you're paying me. I
already raised my daughter; I'm not
raising my grandchild. What about my life?
I just spent 15-18 years raising a child.
I want to go surfing.
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Mabel
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Posted: 05-12-08 17:13pm
cmyked
wrote:
I'll babysit your child if
you don't live in my house and if you're
paying me. I already raised my daughter;
I'm not raising my grandchild. What about
my life? I just spent 15-18 years raising
a child. I want to go
surfing.
BRAVO!!!! BRAVO!!!! I feel the same way.
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Posted: 05-12-08 20:20pm
krystineM
wrote:
Sure parents dont want to
care for their teens kid, but they could
baby sit the child while the teen goes to
work, and then pay the parents back after
they get their situation
together.
That is so selfish and naive to think,
expect, or assume that teen's parent, will
or should take part in raising a
grandchild by babysitting. I don't care if
you ever pay them back, not like they
would accept it anyway. Parents of teens
are on the edge of their child rearing
days and want a little bit of free time
before grandchildren are born.
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Posted: 05-12-08 21:36pm
krystineM did say "they COULD" not "they
SHOULD".
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Posted: 05-12-08 22:47pm
I know what your saying Birch but I don't
think that it is right to assume your
parents will help out, after all they just
(or at least thought) they were almost
finished raising kids.
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krystineM
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Posted: 05-13-08 13:05pm
Yes its the teens [both boy and girl]
fault with the pregnancy,
and yes they should take action and be
responsible.
But we all know that raising kids is hard,
i mean you dont necessarily have to have a
kid to not know that..but having the
parents there as support and to help them
out a little -not take over and raise the
kid- goes a long way, don't you think?
no teen knows what their doing when a baby
is born, hell no adult knows exactaly what
their doing when a baby is born too!
Don't you think that giving them a little
helping hand would help them out to be
better parents?
I don't understand why they can't continue
to go to school though, i mean it is hard
to do while pregnant, but it can be
done...
And lele25, im not quite sure how that
would be selfish for grandparents to baby
sit their grandchild, first off daycare
costs an arm and a leg, yet a teen is
supposed to pull this money out of her
a$$? and second, wouldn't you rather have
your child around family[grandparents,
cousins, aunts, uncles] -than around
people who do not care about your kid
really [day cares do their job, but dont
care or listen to things a child can't
have ex. allergies etc.]and around other
kids you dont know well,- and let them get
to know their grandparents more and build
a close relationship with them? This would
be a burden or a selfish thing to do? Some
grandparents would kill to have a better
relationship with their grandchild, let
alone see them a little more..
I dont think it's selfish if 1 they
offer/ask to do this for you and 2 they
are willing to give you a helping start
And it was not an assumption.
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Mabel
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Posted: 05-13-08 13:42pm
This is all assuming that the
grandparent/s are home during the day.
What if they are working too? Then, like
every other parent, the Teen in question
would have to get daycare.
I don't know about Canada, but in the
states, Teen Moms are getting their
daycare paid for while they finish school.
And a lot of alternative schools have
daycare on site. It is a co-op program,
but the teen parents also get credit for
helping out. Free daycare AND class
credit. That is pretty sweet.
As an parent, I know that I am done having
children. If I wanted more children, I'd
have more of my own. Or I would adopt. I
don't want someone choosing for me when I
will be raising or financially supporting
more children. It isn't MY CHOICE. A
parent (the teen in question) gets this
choice, but the grandparent doesn't? That
is a bad argument.
If you are old enough to procreate, you
are old enough to support that child. If
you aren't, you need to make other
arrangements. This is what having a child
is all about. If you cannot afford
daycare, use birth control. If you think
going to high school while pregnant is
hard - try going to college full time
while working full time AND having a
child. It isn't getting any easier for
anyone - but don't think someone else
should shoulder your responsibility as a
parent.
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Posted: 05-13-08 14:42pm
In Canada you have to pay, teen parent or
not, you pay...im guessing maybe there is
a discount or some part of it that is paid
by government, but as far as i know, we
have to pay for it. I know that some high
schools have daycare so teens can go to
school, and have the child in daycare, but
i think you have to pay for that, also
universities and some colleges do as well.
But that does sound pretty sweet.
Like i said before, its not financially
supporting them, just giving a helping
hand, is babysitting grandchild that much
of a burden on grandparents? Sure kids are
tough to deal with, but its your
family...
Not every child will go to daycare just so
you know. Either a one parent works, and
one is the stay-at-home-parent, OR
grandparents offer to babysit for them.
I dont think its that bad to just offer
your kid a helping start when their a new
parent. Not supporting them financially,
just giving them a helping start in the
path their taking.
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Posted: 05-13-08 15:24pm
Ingi asked but you didn't address it, I'm
guessing that the teen's parents are
working. Yes, it would be a burden if they
were supposed to babysit while the teen
was at school and then when she had to
work.
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krystineM
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Posted: 05-13-08 15:34pm
yes, but they could possibly set
up/arrange a day or two where the teens
parents could offer to babysit the child.
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Mabel
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Posted: 05-13-08 15:53pm
Again, if the parents are working, it
places an undue financial burden on the
parents not to work for a few days every
week.
If the 'Teen Mom' has the choice to be a
parent or not. Shouldn't she take the
responsibility of being a parent? That is
what being a parent is.
I know you have fabulous intentions about
how everyone should parent and it would be
a wonderful utopia where no one argues and
everyone hugs - but trust me, when your
child is 14 and is acting ALL OF 14,
you'll have a different viewpoint on the
parenting issues
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krystineM
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:00pm
..they dont get days off during the week?
they couldn't offer to do this while they
have time off to spend time with their
grandchild?
Those around her could offer a hand to the
teen mom.
I know that if my teenager came home one
day and said 'mom, im pregnant,' i
wouldn't say ok well time to pack your
things and out you go!
I'd offer my help and support as much as i
could, but explain that, yes this is their
responsibility, and you cannot expect
others to do everything for you, we can
only give so much help, but you have to
meet us half way, and not take us for
granted.
Im sure i'll have different views, but i
would never tell my kid you have to do it
all on your own, because i think that's
where teens get into trouble when a teen
parent [not all the time] but some give up
easier or have their kids taken away, some
do manage, its still a struggle, but i
would let my child know that i will be
here to support and help her know matter
what.
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:08pm
What do these parents do on the weekends /
their days off? I mean, they might jump
out of airplanes or go mountain climbing.
They could spent their days off doing what
they choose to do now that their kids are
'grown' enough to take care of themselves.
These parents have already raised their
children and spent their weekends doing
soccer games, family dinners, etc.
I raise my children to know about birth
control. I raise my children to know that
when you make the decision to have a
child, that is YOUR decision - it is not
mine. I'll be grandma and that will be
great. But that doesn't mean my life goes
on hold. I've been a mom for a long time
now (longer than you've been alive) and
when my kids are old enough, I'll be done
with the mom thing and have moved on to
the Me Thing.
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:17pm
Are grandparents not thrilled about a new
baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active
people, but i would guess that they would
want to spend a bit more time with the new
baby than go jumping out of a plane where
they could do that really if you think
about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different
than yours, because even though my
parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are
older now, have done the mom and dad
thing, they all still want to play an
active role in the childrens lives. And
they dont consider watching their
grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting,
to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they
enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much
spending time with the kids in our family.
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:18pm
krystineM
wrote:
I'd offer my help and
support as much as i could, but explain
that, yes this is their responsibility,
and you cannot expect others to do
everything for you, we can only give so
much help, but you have to meet us half
way, and not take us for
granted.
Nothing wrong with this.
If that's the grandparent's choice, of
course.
I think if a child of mine was pregnant, I
would support their choice, but support
the choice of abortion stronger than the
choice of parenting.
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:20pm
krystineM
wrote:
Are grandparents not
thrilled about a new baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active
people, but i would guess that they would
want to spend a bit more time with the new
baby than go jumping out of a plane where
they could do that really if you think
about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different
than yours, because even though my
parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are
older now, have done the mom and dad
thing, they all still want to play an
active role in the childrens lives. And
they dont consider watching their
grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting,
to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they
enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much
spending time with the kids in our
family.
Didn't your mom kick you out though?
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:24pm
Ingi
wrote:
krystineM
wrote:
Are grandparents not
thrilled about a new baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active
people, but i would guess that they would
want to spend a bit more time with the new
baby than go jumping out of a plane where
they could do that really if you think
about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different
than yours, because even though my
parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are
older now, have done the mom and dad
thing, they all still want to play an
active role in the childrens lives. And
they dont consider watching their
grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting,
to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they
enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much
spending time with the kids in our
family.
Didn't your mom kick you out
though?
My mom kicked me out long before i became
pregnant.
I may not be living under the same roof as
her, but we have put our differences
aside, and we are getting along now.
What does her kicking me out have to do
with her wanting to spend time with her
grandchild?
I guess i should have put my family AND my
fiancee's family do things differently.
Birch, why not support or suggest adoption
rather than abortion?
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Posted: 05-13-08 16:31pm
krystineM
wrote:
Ingi
wrote:
krystineM
wrote:
Are grandparents not
thrilled about a new baby in the family?
Sure they could very much be active
people, but i would guess that they would
want to spend a bit more time with the new
baby than go jumping out of a plane where
they could do that really if you think
about it, anytime.
I guess my family is a little different
than yours, because even though my
parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents are
older now, have done the mom and dad
thing, they all still want to play an
active role in the childrens lives. And
they dont consider watching their
grandkids/nieces or nephews babysitting,
to them its quality time with the kids.
They still get to do all the things they
enjoy doing, but they also enjoy very much
spending time with the kids in our
family.
Didn't your mom kick you out
though?
My mom kicked me out long before i became
pregnant.
I may not be living under the same roof as
her, but we have put our differences
aside, and we are getting along now.
What does her kicking me out have to do
with her wanting to spend time with her
grandchild?
I guess i should have put my family AND my
fiancee's family do things differently.
Birch, why not support or suggest adoption
rather than
abortion?
Getting kicked out doesn't sound very
supportive of you, that is what I meant.
Sounds like she wasn't supportive of you
to the point of making you leave her home.
And you didn't move in with your dad, so
one could venture a guess that there was a
lack of support there too.
I'm just saying, a persons choice to have
a child is their own personal choice. They
shouldn't expect someone else to pick up
any of the burden. If grandparents choose
to spend a few hours a week with their
grandchildren, that is great for everyone!
But it shouldn't be seen as an obligation
for anyone.