I am a week out of surgery and wanted to
share my experiences so far. I researched
far & wide and decided to go for open
surgery rather than laporscopic.
I also read enough to know that i did not
trust mesh from Duval (makers of Bard and
Krug mesh). This company waited until the
FDA forced them to recall one of their
meshes. The company knew about all the
complaints and would not voluntarally
recall the product.
Find a surgeon who performs 200+ hernia
sugeries per year. The last thing you
want is a rookie practicing on you!!
The first 24hrs after surgery was great.
Then the constipation and bloating kicked
in. It took 48hrs before i had a
movement. I chose to get off the pain
meds rather than deal with the bloat.
I sleep in a recliner for 3 days because i
only felt pain when going to lay down and
getting up. Basically, all you need to do
is move slow and no hard laughing,
coughing or sneezing. I iced the area
around the incition area for 20 min on and
20 min off. I did this whenever i thought
about it.
Now, i will copy and paste the best
information i found about recovery
(especially in the first week).
Recovery overview-
You will go to the recovery room after
your operation. You will probably have
minimal discomfort because the local
anesthetic that was injected will make the
area numb for 6 to 12 hours.
Following this initial period, you will
notice pain and stiffness at the site of
surgery. The more you walk the less
stiffness and pain you will experience. It
is not uncommon for you to have more
discomfort on the second and third day
after an open hernia repair than you did
on the first.
This is because the local anesthetic has
worn off. By the sixth to seventh day,
you should be ready for all of your normal
activities.
Your Diet-
You can eat a regular diet without any
restrictions after surgery. This, of
course, will be limited by other illnesses
you may have, such as diabetes, heart
disease and hypertension.
Here are some general tips:
%u2022 On the first day eat small, light
meals and liquids. Progress to a normal
diet as tolerated.
%u2022 Nausea and vomiting from anesthesia
are not uncommon for 24 hours. If you feel
nauseous, take clear liquids only. Call
the office if nausea and vomiting persist
for greater than 36 hours.
%u2022 Do not take any alcoholic drinks
for at least 24 hours and while you are
taking narcotic pain killers such as
Vicodin (hydrocodone) or Tylenol
(acetaminophen) with codeine.
Activity Guidelines-
With the exception of heavy lifting and
vigorous exercise, you can resume normal
activities, including driving, walking and
sexual activity, once you feel you are
ready. Pain is the body%u2019s way of
letting you know you are doing something
you shouldn%u2019t. If it hurts,
don%u2019t do it. Here are some
guidelines:
%u2022 For 24 to 48 hours after surgery
you will most likely not want to do much.
Although you should get rest during this
time, it is equally important to get up
and walk.
%u2022 It is okay to go up and down
stairs, and it is encouraged.
%u2022 Do not drive while you are taking
narcotic pain medicines and while your
incisions hurt. This may reduce your
ability to move quickly.
%u2022 Your thought processes may take 24
to 48 hours to return to normal because of
anesthesia. Do not make any important
business or personal decisions during this
time.
%u2022 You can return to work when you
feel comfortable that you can perform your
job safely and at the level you and your
employer expect. Usually this is a
minimum of one week. If your job involves
heavy lifting you should stay out of work
for 2-4 weeks.
%u2022 Most people find that they fatigue
easily during the second and even the
third week, so don%u2019t overload your
schedule.
%u2022 Do not return to exercise or
strenuous activity until you are seen for
a follow-up.
Pain and Discomfort-
It is normal to have pain after your
operation. How much pain a patient
experiences usually depends on the
individual and not on the operation. Pain
normally is located over the incision and
in the groin. If you or your family were
not informed of anything unusual after
surgery, rest assured that everything is
fine and the procedure went according to
plan.
Ice-
You should keep ice on the area of surgery
for 24 to 48 hours. This will minimize
postoperative swelling and reduce pain.
There is no benefit to using ice after the
first 48 hours.
Medication-
You have been given a prescription for a
narcotic: hydrocodone (Vicodin) or
acetaminophen (Tylenol) with codeine. You
can take one or two tablets every six
hours. If you experience itching or a
rash, call the office immediately and stop
the medication.
If your pain is not controlled by the
medication you have been given, call the
office. It is helpful to take some type of
pain medicine (narcotic or
over-the-counter) before getting out of
bed and before going to sleep for the
first few days after surgery.
If you do not like the drowsy feeling
these medications cause or you do not need
as much medication, you can try the
following:
%u2022 Ibuprofen (600 mg every 6 hours),
%u2022 Tylenol (two extra strength every 6
hours) or Aspirin (two every 6 hours)
Bowel discomfort-
After surgery you may notice alterations
in your bowel habits.
%u2022 Diarrhea can occur from the surgery
itself or from the antibiotics you
received. This is best treated with
Metamucil, Amphogel or Yogurt.
%u2022 Constipation is very common and
results from the narcotic pain medicine
you are taking. To avoid constipation,
take Hailey%u2019s MO or Milk of Magnesia
as directed on the bottle once per day
while you take the narcotics.
Groin discomfort-
After surgery, men may notice swelling of
their penis and or scrotum and women may
notice swelling of the labial area of
their vagina. This is from the surgery
and will go away. Ice (and for men a
scrotal support) will reduce any
discomfort.
You may also notice black and blue
discoloration of the groin and/or genitals
as well as numbness of the area. This.
too, is not cause for alarm, even if it
occurs a few days after the surgery. It
usually goes away in a few days.
Incisional Care-
%u2022 Your incisions are covered with a
gauze pad. It is not uncommon for the pad
to become saturated with blood during the
first 24 hours. Do not become alarmed;
just change the bandages as needed.
%u2022 You can take a shower 24-36 hours
after surgery. Be sure to gently dry your
incisions and replace the bandage.
%u2022 After 2-3 days, it is not necessary
to keep your incisions covered but it will
usually make you more comfortable to do so
as you increase your activity.
%u2022 If you do not see metal clips or
sutures, the sutures are in the skin
itself and will dissolve. This occurs 3-4
weeks after surgery and may be associated
with a little drainage from the incision.
%u2022 It is common for patients to notice
some black and blue or maroon
discoloration around the incisions. This
is caused by a small amount of blood and
is normal. It should not alarm you. It is
also common for this to only become
apparent 2-3 days after surgery, as blood
in the tissues moves to the surface.
%u2022 If your incision is red, hot and
tender, you may have an infection. In that
case call the office. You have been given
antibiotics in the operating room prior to
surgery. Unless it was discussed with you,
you do not need them after surgery.
%u2022 It is normal for the incision to be
hard and swollen after surgery. This is
called a "healing ridge" and and it is a
signal of wound healing. It is not a
hernia and it will go away in 8-12 weeks.
%u2022 Do not tan your incision for one
year after surgery; it will leave a dark
scar.
%u2022 Some people believe that Vitamin A
and Vitamin E, when applied to the
incision, help wound healing. These can be
obtained at a natural food or drug store.
When to Call the Office-
Call the office immediately if you
experience:
%u2022 Significant bleeding
%u2022 Difficulty breathing
%u2022 Persistent light headedness
%u2022 Chills and/or fever greater than
101°F
%u2022 Pus or infection at the incisions
%u2022 Inability to pass urine
%u2022 Severe pain
%u2022 Any worrisome condition
AT HOME-
You will notice significant pain for the
first one to five days, especially when
coughing, laughing, sneezing or moving too
fast. You will have oral pain medications
for time period.
You should get up and walk periodically
and you may use the stairs, although you
will want to move slowly. Some people
sleep in a recliner the first or two
because it is difficult to go from a
standing to a flat lying position and
versa.
As the pain eases, you should wean off
pain medicines and switch to an
antiinflammatory (Tylenol, Advil, Motrin,
etc.) As the pain resolves, you may begin
activities as tolerated by your body. If
you overdo it, you will feel worse pain
either or the next day. As you feel
better, you should ease back into
activities slowly.
Constipation -
It is common to become constipated after
abdominal surgery. Due to the surgery
itself, anesthesia and the narcotic pain
medication, the bowel may be slow to
respond. Walking, minimizing the use of
narcotics and using stool softeners may
help to minimize constipation.
If you have not had a bowel movement for
several days and you feel very
constipated, which may increase your pain
because of the pressure, you may need to
take Milk of Magnesia or magnesium
citrate. You may use these as directed or
in smaller doses over the course of a day
(for example, sipping magnesium citrate
over four to six hours to gently cleanse
your bowels.)
You also might need a gentle enema if you
do not get adequate esults from oral
medications. You should avoid medications
that induce your bowel to spasm such as
Ex-Lax. You may also try fiber foods
(fruits/vegetables) and supplements
(Fibercon, Metamucil, etc.). You must
drink plenty of water%u2013six to eight
glasses a day%u2013for the fiber to work
optimally.
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the first link - correction Posted: 02-24-08 22:33pm
Can't get it to work in this forum. Just
google "Ultrapro Hernia System"
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Posted: 02-25-08 08:54am
I have heard negatives about the Ethicon
also. Many of people are suffering from
the meshes not just Davol. I'm not trying
to worry you, but please be careful of
what you do and monitor your pain, it can
take a while for the pain to develop even
after an open repair.
The meshes are hardening causing a great
deal of problems. I really hope you are of
one the people who do not have suffer like
so many of us are.
Best Wishes..
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UltraPro
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Posted: 02-26-08 08:50am
You are not worring me. I have read about
all the problems and lawsuits concerning
mesh.
I chose an experienced surgeon and used
the best mesh available. I feel i have
stacked the odds in my favor.
The UltraPRo is a patially absorbable.
This means less mesh is left after it
disolves. Also, the Dr said it is alot
softer than other meshes.
I intend to report my progress and issues
here, on this forum. Hopefully, I come
out of this without problems and help
others who are searching for information.
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Posted: 02-26-08 14:16pm
Keep us posted as to your progress.
I wish you the best..
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11 days after sugery - Healing ridge Posted: 02-26-08 20:27pm
7 days after surgery I went to the follow
up appointment. The doc said the swelling
under (and around) my incision was called
the healing ridge.
On the tenth day I noticed the healing
ridge was getting harder. There is no
pain when it’s lightly pressed (that’s
as far as I am willing to test it).
I did some research on the healing ridge
and found this information:
The HEALING RIDGE, which is a normal
occurring event, is a term we use to
describe the area of swelling and hardness
beneath the incision after hernia repair
surgery. This area of temporary swelling
normally occurs and is progressive in
extent for about 2-3 days after surgery.
It may harden somewhat, feeling like a
roll of quarters or even a small
'cucumber' beneath the skin in the region.
It remains virtually unchanged for 2-3
weeks after which it gradually softens and
flattens (taking an additional 2-3 weeks
to complete on average).
Another source says The healing ridge
usually lasts for several months before it
softens and disappears. Heat can quicken
the process a bit but it still takes time.
If on your follow up examination there is
nothing to suggest infection or hernia
persistence/recurrence, and you are
generally feeling better with
progressively less pain and more mobility
(albeit a slow process), I would guess
that things will gradually resolve.
The size and duration of the 'ridge' is
related to the size and complexity of the
hernia itself. The ridge is caused by
local tissue swelling and inflammation
around the implanted mesh as it 'heals'
into the surrounding muscle. It is not,
per se, a complication, but is part of the
normal process. We allow our patients to
resume normal activity rapidly despite the
presence of the healing ridge feeling that
such activity maintains flexibility of the
region and inhibits overly dense scar
tissue formation.
Conclusion: I will try some heat therapy
and start taking small doses of ibuprofen.
If the healing ridge is still there after
6 - 8 weeks, i will call the doctor.
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Posted: 02-27-08 11:01am
I still have this ridge that you are
talking about and it's going on 3 years
since one of my hernia operations.
People also develop keliod scars,
hardening can be felt with keliods as well
as the thick ugly scar.
All I can say is keep a close watch on it
and if you develop pain, pins and needle
feeling, weakness, muscle pain then you
should look into the mesh problems
further.
I honestly hope you will be OK and don't
suffer the way many of us are.
Take Care
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Posted: 02-28-08 21:18pm
I suppose it could be Hydrocele or Seroma
too.
But, for now, I trust that it is a healing
ridge because thats what the majority of
people get.
The scaring from the incision looks very
clean. Not at all thick or ugly
Rest assured, i will watch for the
symptoms you describe. Thanks for the
tips! I do have my fingers crossed.
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9 weeks after surgery Posted: 04-20-08 17:12pm
It has been almost two months since my
last post. I used a heating pad for
20mins a few times a day and took
prescription strength Ibuprofen. I did
that for a few weeks. The healing ridge
went down considerably. Therefore, I
stopped the heat and ibuprofen.
Now, if I press and feel around, on or
near the scar, I feel a small long knot.
I feel a very slight bruise type feeling
when doing this. The area may bulge a
little compared to the other side.
However, it’s not that noticeable.
Supposedly, this healing ridge will be
completely gone in the next week or so.
April 7 - 15, I hiked (no loads) with no
problems. I sit around with a desk job
with no problems. Up and down stairs with
no problems. Rode my bike around the 'hood
with no problems.
I started hand drumming again and do feel
something afterwards. It feels kind of
like a hernia--a dull pain (but no
bulging). Actually, drumming was the
worst I felt the hernia before surgery.
Therefore, drumming may be more strenuous
an activity than I realized. And, my
hernia (before surgery) was never painful
in a sharp way...more of a dull ache.
Now my game plan is to ease into
stretching and more drumming. If the pain
persist or gets worse, I will lay off and
return to the doctor for evaluation.
That’s the update. Until next time....
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Thanks Posted: 04-20-08 17:47pm
Thanks for the update.
Keep a close watch on the ridge and knot
you are feeling.
When you are drumming are you using your
leg also, the side the hernia was on?
It could be the muscles are knotting up on
you, but as I mentioned before keep a
careful watch on how you are feeling.
You might want to start writing down what
makes the pain increase.
I'm glad you can hike and bike, it sounds
as though things have gone fairly well
for. I hope it continues...
Keep the updates coming..
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Posted: 04-20-08 20:14pm
No leg movement is involved with hand
drumming. The legs are wraped around the
drum and the arms do all the moving.
However, the stomach/groin area must get
tight with pressure/strain.
So far, probems only appear with drumming.
Infact, before surgery, i noticed pain
during a two hour drum circle (thats when
i realized i had a hernia). Two days
later i went on a two hour mountain bike
ride with no pain. Sounds wierd huh?
Thanks for the comments. I see that over
two hundred visits have made it to this
information. Hopefully, its been useful
in some way.
I will keep the updates coming. This
ain't over yet...
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Posted: 04-21-08 01:59am
Hi
I know you are keeping a close watch of
your discomfort it might help to write
down what makes the pain worse.
Have you checked out the sticky at the top
of the hernia forum? If not there are a
few links I have put in there (through the
administrator). Check out the FDA one when
you have time.If you have questions let me
know.
I keep saying this, I don't want to see
anymore people suffer the way I am and
many others.
BTW..When I asked about the drumming I
wasn't sure if you used your leg as I know
some drummers do..kind of a dumb question
looking back at it.
You might be having what is known as
myofacial pain/discomfort.
If you feel you are not getting better see
your doctor and file an adverse event
report with the FDA, your personal
information is not published on their
site, they remove that but keep it for
their records in the event there is
another recall on meshes.
Keep the posts coming, the more people get
informed about the mesh outcome the better
it will be for everyone.
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update 14 weeks after hernia surgery Posted: 05-17-08 22:14pm
I did not do any stretching following my
last post.
A few sites on the internet say
postoperative discomfort may last several
months after any surgery. Postoperative
hernia-area pain is called Inguinodynia.
I went to the general surgeon on May 6,
2008 (about 11-12 weeks after surgery).
I described my pain as follows:
First, I explain that drumming caused a
dull ache to appear. Dull ache type of
pain-- similar to the dull ache I felt
when I had a hernia. When I sneeze, I
feel a sharper type of pain at the medial
end of the scar-- similar to (but nowhere
near as intense) the way it feels right
after surgery when you laugh (or
something) and it hurts. If I press on
the incision-area when sneezing the pain
is reduced significantly (almost none). I
told him there was a time, before I
started drumming again, when I did not
feel pain from sneezing.
The doctor did the following:
Pressed around the region of the surgical
incision. No pain is felt with pressing.
He poked his finger up my groin area and
asked me to turn my head a cough (several
times). Again, no pain is felt.
The conclusions of the visit:
1. Not a reoccurring hernia. My
interpretation: No obvious hernia.
2. The pain I describe does not sound
like nerve entrapment.
3. Does not think the sutures came loose.
It extremely rare for that to happen.
4. I asked if the mesh could have come
loose. He said no.
5. The way I sit when drumming puts
strain on the ____. Maybe have some
inflammation there.
6. He said he is not sure what he can do
about it.
a. Nerve blockers are
temporary
b. Cutting nerves leaves the
area numb
The Doctor’s advise:
Stretch and Ibuprofen Make appointment
in three months if it gets worse or I
cannot live the life I want.
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Posted: 05-19-08 07:27am
This gets me upset to hear what your
doctor is advising. Many surgeons are not
taking this pain seriously.
I recently found out a friend who had
surgery for another mesh related operation
has sutures and tacks near or in the
nerves. Similiar to what I have but I also
have hardening mesh.
Did he offer to do a scan CT or MRI this
can help give a bit more information on
the mesh, tacks or sutures?
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JSB
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Don't Have Hernia Repair Posted: 07-07-08 21:58pm
I had an inguinal hernia repaired 8 weeks
ago. It ended my life as I knew it - now
I have hideous chronic pain, and
difficulty working because lying flat is
the only time I'm comfortable. Doctors
will tell you this surgery is routine and
free of complications, but that is
completely untrue. Now the doctor who
messed me up wants to ablate several
nerves, which will probably just make
things worse.
There is only a 0.2% (that is 2 in a
thousand) chance of a hernia causing a
serious problem. But chronic pain is an
outcome of hernia surgery in, depending on
which medical journal you read, between 5%
and 54% of the time. Why did I trade a
0.2% risk for a 54% risk? Dumb, and I'm
stuck with the consequences now.
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Posted: 07-08-08 08:25am
JSB
Welcome
I know exactly how you feel. For now try
putting ice on the are for a little
relief. It's not cure by any means but
it's a temp help. It's possible the doctor
the cut a nerve during the operation.
Feel free to pm if you'd like. This is a
nightmare.
Have you filed an adverse event report
with the FDA?
There's a sticky on the top of this forum
regarding how to report problems.
What type of mesh did you have implanted
in you?
All the information can be obtained from
your surgeon or the hospital you had the
operation done at. Tell them you need the
type of mesh, name of the manufacturer of
the mesh, lot number and product number.
Try to get all the medical records from
the day of your operation.
Please pm if you need help with this.
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update 27 weeks after hernia surgery Posted: 08-20-08 23:09pm
I did follow the doctor’s advice and
took prescription strength ibuprofen for a
few months. The pain never got worse.
I have not been drumming consistently, but
when i do, I am not noticing the dull ache
from 13 weeks ago. No pain when sneezing
either.
I did notice, some 12 weeks ago, feeling
uncomfortable in the hernia repair area
before a large movement –if you know
what I mean. I suppose pressure builds in
the old hernia area.
I have been riding my mountain bike on the
trails with no problems. And, there are
plenty of bumps, roots and a tough
inclines. I went jogging several weeks
ago and felt good.
I am still not 100% because every so often
I feel a trace amount of something. I
can’t call it pain or an ache. It’s
hard to describe.
I am about to begin daily practice with
the drums as well as start a jogging
routine. I will keep posting updates as I
go along.
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Posted: 08-21-08 08:42am
Thanks for the update.
Do you feel any numbness, burning,
stabbing, pins and needles?
I hope you are past the worst of this and
you do not encounter any futher problems.