Undiagnosed URQ pain and nausea Posted: 02-24-08 01:33am
On Dec. 29th, I started experiencing URQ
pain, starting just below the right ribs
and extending around my side and up my
back, to the shoulder blades. The pain in
the URQ was sharp, while the pain in the
shoulder was dull. I went to the ER the
following night because the pain had
persisted. The ER ran a blood test &
urinalysis. Everything came back within
the normal range. I was given something
for the pain and nausea and told to
follow-up with the GP. Both the triage
nurse & the ER doc said that I probably
had something wrong with my gall bladder.
I went to my GP, who ordered an upper
abdominal ultrasound. During the
ultrasound, the techie stated that she saw
"areas of inflammation", but didn't
elaborate where or how inflammed those
areas were. I didn't hear from the GP's
office for over a week, and even if I
called, I was told that someone would call
me back later (they never did). I received
a form letter in the mail with my name and
a checkmark in the box "results normal".
There was no indication of follow-up care
and no request to see the GP again.
I decided to go to my OBGYN because I do
have a history of ovarian cysts and tend
to get them on the right side. While I
know that the pain I'm experiencing is too
high, I have also heard of cysts attaching
to the abdominal wall or organs, which can
cause severe pain. The OBGYN called for a
pelvic ultrasound, which had normal
results. During this time period, the URQ
pain & nausea continued, spiking
particularly after mealtimes.
I requested to see a different GP. Two
days before I was supposed to see the new
GP, I went back to the ER with sharp URQ
pains and nausea. My blood tests were
again normal, so I was again given
morphine & anti-nausea medication and sent
home.
The GP referred me to a surgeon. The
surgeon called for one test, a HIDA scan.
I was given the nuclear medicine through
the IV and told to wait. They started
taking me back every 10-15 minutes and,
around 45 minutes, my gall bladder
appeared on the scan. that's when they
started the second part of the test, with
the CCK infusion. The doctor introduced
the CCK slowly and I experienced URQ
abdominal cramping & nausea each time he
introduced the CCK. The HIDA test came
back normal, with a 67.8% ejection rate.
The surgeon was out of town when my
results came back (during the normal range
of 24-48 hours after the scan), so I
didn't find out my results until 5 days
after the exam. When I did, the surgeon
said that there wasn't anything else he
could do except refer me to a gastro
specialist.
After about a week, I'm able to get in to
see the gastro specialist. During that
time, I started experiencing pain
elsewhere (in addition to the usual URQ):
on my mid to lower back, at about kidney
level. I explained my symptoms and the
tests that had been done. At this point, I
was pretty frustrated with how little my
doctors were telling me, and the long
length of time between visits or contact
with the doctor, so I had been researching
possible complications of the gall bladder
online. During the appointment, I
requested an ERCP. The doctor called for a
series of blood test, telling me that an
ERCP would only be called for if my liver
enzymes were off. The doc called for a
CBC, metabolic, and tests on the liver,
kidney and pancreas. Everything came back
as normal, so an EGD was called for
instead.
The EGD found three minor issues, all of
which the doctor assured me wasn't serious
enough to be causing the pain I was
experiencing (which would be a steady 6/10
on the pain scale, with spikes at the
8-10/10). He found non-erosive
esophagitis, a hiatal hernia, and
gastritis. He took some biopsies (results
are still pending on those).
My follow-up appointment to hear the
results is March 3rd. The doctor won't do
any other tests until those results come
back. He put me on an acid reflux
medication and told me to take Alleve for
the pain. If the Alleve doesn't help with
the pain; or the pain gets worse; or I
spike a fever, I should go back to the ER.
Well, I went back to the ER on Tuesday
because the Alleve didn't help with the
pain.
The good thing about going back to the ER
was that I had the same doctor as I did
during my last ER visit. Because he knew
I'd been there before, he took a lot more
care with examining me. He called for more
extensive blood tests. He couldn't find
anything wrong with my blood test. He
asked what tests have been done with me
and then made the following suggestion:
perhaps my pain wasn't caused by my gall
bladder, but rather by a floating rib that
rubs against the gall bladder when it
slips, thus causing the URQ pain and
nausea. What's funny is that I've tried
eating normal foods since the ER visit and
found that my pain is more dependent on my
activity (such as lifting things or
stretching my right side) than on my diet.
Has anyone else experienced this? When I
see my GP on Monday, are there any tests I
should request (like a CT or MRI)? is what
the ER doc said even feasible? Are my docs
just not doing enough to diagnose a
problem with my gall bladder? Should it be
taking this long to determine if my gall
bladder is or isn't messing up?
I'm frustrated and tired of being in pain.
I'm also worried that, if it is my gall
bladder, it might burst while my doctors
are dragging their heels about figuring
out what's wrong with me. My doctors are
very reluctant to refill any medication
for me without a week-long fight, even if
it's for my nausea. I just want to find
out what's wrong and how to fix it.
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bigdxxxxx
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Abdominal pain Posted: 02-24-08 04:23am
You might have cronic lymes disease. I
have had abdominal pain for 7 years, feels
like an organ is going to rupture. Along
with headaches, sinus problems, muscle
pain, anxiety, rapid heart racing and many
more problems. The abdominal pain is
unbearable even with the percocet.
Ive been tested for everything but
nothing ever showed up in tests. They have
never checked for infections. I recently
came across cronic lymes disease and found
out not everyone gets a rash and fever.
You cant always detect lymes, but if
you have had it along time its cronic
lymes and cant be cured by antibiotics,
there is some vigorous treatment they do.
Lymes gets in your fat cells, in
your lungs, muscles,brain,bile. Since it
isnt in your bloodstream your antibodies
cant attack it. It is a crippling disease.
You dont have to have all the symptoms
thats why doctors overlook it. I am going
to an infectous disease doctor because i
definetly think i might have cronic lymes.
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bigdxxxxx
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abdominal pain Posted: 02-24-08 04:39am
When i ent to the hospital on many
occasions they thought it was my gall
bladder too, but it wasnt. Abdominal pain
is tricky i have been to 2 mayo clinics,
and many doctors. Finally they told me it
was cronic. I know it isnt cronic the pain
has been getting worse, and im bed ridden
alot. Did you find out what your problem
was? My doctor tried to cut my percocet
off, i couldnt believe it, the pain is so
bad now the percocet herdly helps. Stay
away from emergency rooms and conventional
doctors.Go to an infectous disease doctor.
Just keep trying because the pain will get
alot worse and you will end up like me, at
home in pain, rarely ever able to leave
the house. Ive decided im going to try to
find out the problem again. Search the
internet for diseases and conditions with
your symptoms, sometimes you can diagnose
yourself. If it goes on a long time they
will tell you its cronic or you have
fibromyalgia and you will suffer. Many of
us are suffering needlessly because
doctors arent that smart. Dont buy the
cronic pain story, keep trying to find out
what your problem is.
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Sassykat1
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Posted: 02-24-08 19:49pm
I have been told, and I believe it, that
not all gall bladder problems will show up
with testing.
After all that I have read, I would not be
in any hurry to have my gall bladder taken
out. Boy there are a lot of people
struggling with chronic health problems
because of that and once it's gone, you
can't get it put back in.
Unfortunately a lot of responsibility lies
on the patient to research and look into
your own diagnosis. Still, it can be
daunting. If you
ve read over any of my posts, you'll see
I'm a big believer in trying to help out
myself and through supplements/home
remedies I have helped myself and would
like to say it is possible.
I have read that acid reducers can make
some problems worse, and almost all
prescription pain meds are addictive and
can cause other problems.
Be wise and weigh all advice given to you
carefully before making any decisions.
If you don't get any help from your
doctors, keep researching your symptoms
until what you find makes sense to you.
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bigdxxxxx
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abdominal pain Posted: 02-25-08 01:50am
I have had abdominal pain for 7 years, the
first thing they wanted to do is take out
my gall bladder before i even had the
tests they had told me that was probally
he problem. it wasnt. i have been to the
hospital 3 times thinking my apendix was
about to rupture,it wasnt. My abdominal
has been getting worse and worse, i get
barely stand it percocet, its unbearable.i
started at one a day and am now at 5 a day
plus alot of advil. i really dont care if
its addictive, im in pain. they say people
in pain usually dont get addicted to pain
meds. so if you were ever cured you would
stop taking them and i would.acid reducers
are ok from time to time, but there are
many reports that show they are very bad,
taking out organs is not a good
idea, many people end up getting 2-3
organs removed and still have the pain,
also the surgery is risky and the scar
tissue can put you in more pain. abdominal
pain is very hard to diagnose if they cant
see the problem or find it in a test.so
they usually tell you its cronic and you
suffer for life. cronic pain usually stays
about the same, it doesnt keep getting
worse. people suffer for years
needlessly.we suffer in silence,people in
alot of pain who cant work or go out and
do much are tucked away in bedrooms while
the rest of the world goes on.you dont
here much about people that suffer in
terrible pain.
if your pain continues to get
worse its not good, i have tried alot of
home remedies. most doctors are not aware
that not all diseases or conditions, you
dont have to have all the symptoms so they
can overlook what you have. that is why i
am going to an infectous disease doctor,
which no doctor ever reccomended.
i am also wondering if alot of
stress or anxiety can put you in pain. i
was married for many years to a very
abusive man and have had several abusive
boyfriends. now i have been with my
boyfriend for almost 8 years, i starting
getting sick months after we got together.
for the most part he is good at heart, but
there is something very wrong with him, he
is very controlling of my every move. he
is always stressed out all the time and
yells at me, criticizes me, and insults
me. this is abuse and i told him it was.
he keeps saying he will be nicer but it
doesnt happen.i really wonder if he can
without help. im afraid to tell anyone
what i have been going thru with this man
for all these years. he has taken care of
me when i was bed ridden for years, but he
might be the cause of my pain.
i feel very trapped and my family
doesnt talk to me hardly ever because i
became sick, everyong i knew and loved
disapeared when i got sick and in pain.
this happens alot to people, i just never
thought it would happen to me.
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Sassykat1
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Posted: 02-25-08 18:17pm
You poor thing. I do sympathize with you.
Stress does affect us most certainly. If
the pain is in your right side, under the
ribs following the line of the right
nipple, but directly below the last rib -
that is exactly where the liver and gall
bladder are located. If you have stomach
upset and pain that spreads to the back
associated with food or after a meal
especially with any amount of fat, I would
really guess it would be the gall bladder.
But you probably could heal it on your
own. This is my guess, my gut instinct,
after struggling with my own problems.
And I only want to help.
As far as the other stuff. An abusive
boyfriend is no way to live your life. Do
you have any children with him? If not,
you should seriously think of creating a
healthier life for yourself.
I lived with an abusive boyfriend for 3
years. I had kids from a previous
marriage and his behavior was affecting
them. That was really what gave me the
courage to leave him. I then suffered
nightmares about him for about 5 years.
Please do not be afraid to tell people
what you have been going through. Don't
you think it's time for some peace? Other
people actually want you to reach out to
them and share your life. We need to
nurture each other with love and kindness.
We should not allow mean people to have
authority over us. I was trying to think
of the right way to word that...I just
don't think you should feel obligated to
put up with someone being mean to you.
I will pray for you.
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bigdxxxxx
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Posted: 02-26-08 00:44am
Actually the pain is in the lower abdomen,
it feels like im in the last hour of labor
and its at my lower right side, feels like
an appendicitis. my organs throb, hard to
tell where the pain is coming from really.
i have been abused from every man i have
ever been with,like an endless cycle. my
boyfriend does really good things for me,
but very controling.he was abused when he
was younger, so he gets angry easily. he
doesnt hit me though. i have children with
my ex husband. did you find out what your
problem was? is it resolved?
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Sassykat1
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Posted: 02-26-08 18:25pm
I think I have had several problems over
the winter because I've had lots of other
symptoms. I had all the symptoms of an
ulcer and I took Mastica or Mastic Gum and
that helped considerably. In fact I would
recommend it for anyone. It acts as an
antibiotic in some cases and also supports
the digestive system. I also had blood in
the urine, high white blood cell count,
probably a kidney infection and also my
gall bladder which seems to slowly, very
slowly, but definately is getting better.
Thank goodness. For a while I thought I
was going to pass away this winter! I
actually have days where I feel normal and
the slight pain in my gall bladder is very
subtle. It was so bad before, that it
felt swollen. I think maybe it was
inflammed for a while.
Maybe, like you said, you have a
bug/virus, infection of some sort. I hope
you don't have lymes. Doesn't that come
from ticks?
Verbal abuse and controlling is just as
bad as physical abuse, in my opinion.
That's how my exboyfriend was. He would
rant and rave, sometimes get drunk. He
would control me all the time and put me
down. He would tell me my family didn't
care about me. He isolated me so that I
was dependant on him. It took a scary
couple of months of planning to leave him
sneakily while he was at work. I lived in
fear of making him mad. Just like that
expression "walking on broken glass" -
that's exactly how it was. It's a
terrible way to live. It sounds like you
have lived this way for a very long time.
Do you remember what it is like to live
in peace? How old are your kids?
As far as my health problems...The doctors
around here aren't that great really and
they just guess. I was suppose to make an
appt with a surgeon concerning my gall
bladder, but I don't want surgery! So I'm
trying to get better on my own. If I feel
like I'm going to pass away again, then
I'll make an appt, but not before! Plus I
don't have health insurance.
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MishaTX
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Posted: 03-01-08 05:16am
Hi bigdxxxxx,
I'm sorry to hear about your stomach pain
and I want to ask you a question. You
stated that you have pain in your lower
right side - do you have any other
symptoms like mucus in your stool,
diarrhea, or constipation? Do the syptoms
get worse after eating or when you are
stressed out?
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MishaTX
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Posted: 03-01-08 05:52am
Hi bigdxxxxx,
I'm sorry to hear about your stomach pain
and I want to ask you a question. You
stated that you have pain in your lower
right side - do you have any other
symptoms like mucus in your stool,
diarrhea, or constipation? Do the syptoms
get worse after eating or when you are
stressed out?
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MishaTX
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Posted: 03-01-08 06:16am
jmc2007,
It's possible that it could be your
gallbladder, or something else. I went
through 4 years of pain and testing before
they found my problem. I did have some
negative liver function tests and a
Ejection fraction of 17%. The doctors in
the ER were still trying to convince me
that it was an ulcer, and one surgeon
trying to tell me that it was my hernia
causing the pain. Had this hernia for
years and it never caused pain like that.
With me, it was my gallbladder; biliary
dyskenisia. My problem was structural. It
had nothing to do with sludge or
gallstones, so all the supplements in the
world wouldn't have helped me( and I tried
many of them).
My bile and cystic ducts are very tiny,
and it was not pushing the bile through my
gallbladder as well as it should. This was
causing my gallbladder to contract wildly
whenever I tried to eat something. It felt
as though I had a clenched fist sitting in
my upper right side.
The surgeon discovered this when he
operated on me. In fact he said my ducts
were so tiny that he was not able to
perform the cholangiogram, and actually
amputated my cystic duct in the process.
None of the tests that I had taken
previous to surgery had discovered this
fact.
The same thing with the ducts in my
breasts. When I went in to have a tumor
removed, the technician who performed my
tests prior to surgery said that my ducts
were as tiny as spider webs. So in my case
it seems to be some genetic problem with
my body's "duct" system.
I had surgery 3 weeks ago, and so far I
haven't had any negative side effects. My
surgeron told me that I wouldn't and I
haven't. No nausea, no vomiting, no
long-term diarrhea. I had diarrhea twice,
and that was after taking laxatives to
kick start my digestive system after my
appendix was removed(I had it taken out at
the same time as my gallbladder).
With the esophagitis, hiatal hernia, and
gastritis - I have suffered from all of
these.
I currently have a medium hiatal hernia.
All of these conditions can cause
epigastric pain with nausea and vomiting,
but I never had upper right quadrant pain
that swept around to my back until I
started having problems with my
gallbladder.
Get copies of all of your test results and
x-rays - even the ones from the ER,
because you can have them on hand when all
of your other tests are coming back
normal. You do have some proof that there
have been some negative results, and this
will aid the doctor in finding out what is
going on. Furthermore, they won't be able
to tell you that it's all in your head.
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Sounds like gallbladder... Posted: 03-19-08 11:02am
JMC,
I have done so much research on all this
information for myself personally. Like
you, I have horrible URQP, and right under
my right ribcage it is tender and I swear
my gallbladder is protruding from my side!
I am on 10/500 loratab for pain..and anti
everything from nausea to spasms. I had an
upper GI, HIDA SCAN that came back at 96%,
and ct scan that showed zero stones. Liver
enzimes are high and GI doc said I had
gastritis. Here's what I have found. The
higher your infraction rate means the
higher amount of bile being forced into
your stomach and intestines. This causes
all your upper GI problems including
nausea and vomiting. Yes, of course the GI
doc will find Reflux, Gastritis etc...When
you eat, as in my case, I feel better
stomach wise because my tummy's not empty
but on the flipside, my upper quadrant
pain becomes unbearable. Everytime your
gallbladder flares up, it becomes inflamed
and can scar. When the scar tissue becomes
severe enough, this will cause more
flares! Also, the scar tissue forms and
can attach itself to other organs such as
your liver, and now you have some really
nasty problems. As much as you change
your diet, or eat or not eat, that scar
tissue will always be a problem, so really
you have no choice but to get your
gallbladder taken out. It's your doctors
job to rule out everything other than your
gallbladder, as you really do need it.
Your liver has to work double duty
afterwards, and there could be additional
lower and upper GI problems from your
gallbladder being gone. Myself..I don't
want my gallbladder out..no way..but mine
is sick and causing more trouble than I'm
willing to put up with, but I wan't my
doctors to check out every avenue before
this will be considered. Your high
infration number is what is holding
everything up right now, but don't give
up...Keep us posted on how you are doing!
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