Or better yet, 100% methods of preventing pregnancy.





Disclaimer: Saying "abstinence" will make you look dumb.

My birth control pill was 100% effective. In two weeks I finish my last pack as I'm now going to try to conceive! Job well done by the pill!

Before the pill I tried abstinence and that one also worked 100% and was free!!

No birth control pill is 100% effective. Just because you didn't get pregnant on it doesn't mean that other people haven't

Yeah, they are like 99.8%.

You are catholic I believe NA.. Abstinence is not 100% effective according to your religion, it didn't work for mary and I don't care how 'divine' the cause was.. she was abstinent and was still impregnanted by 'god' via an 'angel' which proves abstinence is not 100% effective.

The pill is not 100% effective; I have a 13 year old daughter who was a pill baby.

Catholic and taking the birth control pill. Aren't you just lovely!

Sure. And toddlers are a pain in the ass too. Should it also be legal to kill them, if no one volunteers to take them off your hands?

Yeah. Babies are pure evil.

The pill is around 99% percent effective as long as it is taken exactly per the directions. That includes taking it at twenty four hour intervals at the exact same time each day.

Nothing is 100% including tubal ligations. Not even practicing abstiance, becuase you can be like so very many women in this country, raped.

As for those catholics taking the pill yet vocally apposed to abortion, interesting how they pick and choose what to follow in their church teachings to fit their needs.

I don't think I have ever heard a patient tell me that they made their choice based ont he fact that kids are a pain in the ass. I have heard them say they did not want kids and I do think someone who does not want a child should not be forced to have them.

Many women I see have pregnancies they really wanted, some have even had invitro to get pregnant, then something has gone wrong and after much soul searching and looking at the alternatives they chose to abort.

Wouldn't it be nice if the only ones who got problem pregnancies or carried fetus with anomalies were prolifers. Perhaps "god" or the gods and goddesses should arrange that. Then the plers could gestate themselves into nirvana and other women would never have to face these problems.

The prolifers are never going to put the actual time money or effort into providing for born children. Born children are messy and as I have said before they can not take a born child and fold it up and put it in the car trunk like they do their fetus posters. Born children take real effort and to care for them you are on their time schedual not yours. Besides the post born have their own oppinions and unlike the the preborn they may not like the prolifers speaking for them,

The following is just my oppinion from twenty plus years of observing and talking to prolife protestors (and a great deal from watching my fundie relatives)

As to the women that truly seem to think being some males doormat is the only way to be a woman. They need profesional help. I have found that with a good many of the "prolife" couples protesting at the gate while the woman claims to be "subserviant" she is the real one in charge of the couple. Face it there are is areally high percentage of vagina whupped men in the movement. I think men that are prone to being such are drawn to the movement becuase on the surface they get the illusion of being in charge and the women that are so vocal about other women choices really do not like their own sex. It is not that they see themselves in a negative light but that they see themselves as the exception that proves the rule (I'm good and all other women that are not exactly like me are not) They really have huge egos and the prolife movement reinforces their "specialness" and feeds those egos without them really having to do anything that demands real sacrifice.

That's a really interesting take on it, sistersister. I never thought of it that way but now that I think about it, your observation concerning the illusion of power in many "traditional" relationships rings true.

Yoda-Obviously, it's against the law to kill toddlers because they aren't growing inside of women's bodies. Anyway, I don't believe abortion is "killing."

You pro-lifers still haven't answered my question about why you don't push the medical community to find those cures.

Evil or not, you can't deny that babies are a pain in the ass. I hear about these women dumping them in trash cans or sticking them in microwaves, and I honestly am not shocked. Not that I'm saying those things are an acceptable choice, but I can understand the desperation that so often leads to those types of choices. Especially when you consider that many of these women couldn't obtain abortions or put their babies up for adoption for whatever reason and therefore were forced into having these children that they didn't want in the first place.

Lots of things in life are a pain in the ass. There is one way of dealing with them that works for me. It's called maturity.

I agree with this. So many people are unaware of what the stresses of these situations are like. Yes, many women have children in deplorable conditions and make it just fine. But what one woman can handle is another story. Many women cannot handle it. I can't imagine being in extreme poverty and dealing with a screaming child all day while dealing with the other trials and tribulations of life.

Can you tell me what a toddler can do so wrong to you that you would wish to dump him/her in a trash can or stick him/her in a microwave?

You are using a false dilemma fallacy here NA. Kash is not supporting nor justifying the action she is pointing out the reasons for such actions.

No one is justifying those actions. But from personal experience, I have dysphoric episodes and when I do I don't reason properly and I tend to hurt myself then when I get out of it I don't even realize what I've done. I would NEVER hurt someone else but I could see if someone else had one they might. It's not justified to hurt someone else but I know what it feels like to be so angry and so hurt that you just snap and lose touch with reality. If you've never been there it's kind of hard to explain.

How is it not "killing"? The 'thing' is alive, you have an abortion, it's dead. Something had to happen!

Abortion definitely is killing. I think what divides lifers and choicers over this is the context in which it is used. Obviously, killing a fetus or embryo isn't the same as killing a person or animal.