I have to completely and totally agree with Kinna on this one! And this is coming from someone who a) has gone through the extremes of both worlds, enjoying looking at porn myself and sometimes with my husband to feeling totally disgusted and degrated by my husband looking at it. B)someone who has studied Psychology for the past 15 years with emphasis in the field of sexual studies. Wolf, I feel that you are arguing your point to lead your life the way you feel comfortable with, and you are making points that you feel make your liife choices correct. There really is no need to feel as if you need to justify your situation. In reality, you are actually amoungst the few that are simingly completely and honestly okay in a world of pornography, and that is okay. I say amougst the few because there are many who SAY they are okay with it, only to end up in my office a complete wreck because they can no longer deal with it. The reality of the situation is that while many women (and even men) say they are okay with it, and have no issues in it. This is usually because of our human "instinct", we typically like to go along with things to avoid confrontation etc., in other words why argue an issue that so many say will never change because it is the man's instinct and he can't help it? This whole gibberish concerning instinct is just that. Yes we all posses innate instinct, however, you (Wolf) seem to be using those as more of a stereotype or an excuse. Just because a male has the "intincts" of seeking out youthful/reproductive mates does not mean that that is an excuse to get on the comp. and masturbate to porn, really, is this what you believe...someone has done a number on your mind;) and just because women have the instinct to procreate with and seek out masculine independant men, does not give her the excuse to rub all over every male at the gym, why would this be any different than your definition of "intinct" for a man (if you are saying that they only do this based on instinct)? Or better yet, I have an example for you: a while back (a long while back), I enjoyed looking at porn as well (without my husband, just like many men do without their wifes),and yes I had even masturbated to them; when my husband found out HE was mortified, felt betrayed etc. funny how that works huh? Upon asking him what the issue was he said it is not right for me to be finding enjoyment and sexual gratification by looking and thinking about having sex with other men. At first I was angry at the fact that he could be upset with me, but then I got it! Just because we have these instincts does not mean that they are exactly and solely gender specific and that they only apply to one gender or another. Just as his feelings on the matter where not that of the typical male (or maybe they would be if you put your man in that same situation), but saying that it is okay for men and not for women based on the fact that sex is a male instinct is assinine! When we discussed this issue with friends the men had the same feeling, that they would be a bit uncomfortable with their women looking at other men for sexual gratification. Bottom line, depending on who you are (not what gender you are), pornography can be very degrading to your partner (and yes they may even silence that feeling, since society these days says it is normal for men to view porn, and in return women should not have ill feelings because of it). The fact that society says this puts many womens feelings in the background (feelings that happen to be very instinctual to us), and we are just supposed to let males have this overwhelming freedom when it comes to porn, because "o, poor baby needs to get off", HELLO, so do women! So why are our feelings not allowed but a males feelings are while he is masturbating to someone else other than his partner, not sure if you are aware but masturbating IS a form of sex! So would it be okay if a male went and watched a women have sex and did not touch her but masterbated to her? He's not having intercourse with her, by your standards, so why would that be any different than porn? Where does the line cross, and when is enough enough? You have no clue how many people start out on the innocent path to pornography, have it end up an addiction, and how many relationships and families it ruins; more than many addictions that people concern themselves with today. So for people to say it's no big deal,we'll see! So to the alcoholic should we say, "ah go ahead keep drinking since it makes you feel good, or because your sick and can't help it", probably not the best solution, you would most likely attempt to sit with them, talk to them, and tell them how it negitively effects your life, and talk about ways to get through it. I am not saying that pornography can't be a positive thing in a healthy, loving relationship where both partners enjoy that aspect in their life, but I am saying that surely if one partner or the other feels disrespected by it then those feelings should ultimately be considered not just what makes us feel good. So if a partner does not agree with it big deal, suck it up and find other ways to enjoy eachothers company and spice up you'r own sex life without involving others, in the form of pictures and video. To me the pictures and video are just an excuse for not getting in trouble for going out and doing the real thing! Think of how your partner feels (if they object pornography), to know that you just got off to another man/women, even if it was just a picture/video, there is still a real person behind it, real genitalia, and real bodies, etc. You can have your little fantacies, save them for a rainy day, when you and your partner can enjoy them together, that's the whole point of being in a partnership, you do these things together! I could not imagine completely ignoring my husband's feelings just because I felt I had a "right" to be masturbating to other men, to me that is comletely and totally juvenile! It's not a man's right to masturbate to other women if he is in a relationship, and the same goes for women (if you want to have your fantacies in your head while you do so then so be it, but why must your partner have to be devistated to learn that you have to maturbate while watching another women have sex). However, if it is something that both partners seek out and enjoy then so be it, but it should not be something that one partner should feel they are forced to live with just because someone is male or female. As for the comment on women getting upset if they are told they can't go shopping....give me a freakin' break, I am told all of the time that this week is not a good week (financially) to go shopping etc. I don't go around screaming or crying or threaten to leave on the basis that "this is what I am on this earth for, I am women and I must shop, and you just have to deal with it"...come on, not a very good comparrison! And surely a women shopping does not make a man feel completely and utterly terrible about himself and how he looks, nor does it make him feel that his partner is not attracted to him because she went freakin' shopping (if anything he would feel flattered that she would want to "decorate" herself for him)! Funny, I am a women and I can deff. take no for an answer when it comes to shopping, even though you claim that shopping is a womanly instinct, and I certainly don't HAVE to shop just because I am a women, and truthfully there are many times I don't even enjoy it, but it must be done so we can have things that we NEED to survive, (food, clothing etc.). Yes, humans need sex as well to survive, but merely to procreate, that goes for both sexes, but I don't think in anyway that involves pornography. Looking at pornography is just like anything else we choose to do with our time...we choose to do it, we don't have to! And I feel like anything else we "sacrifice" in a relationship, if a partner has ill feelings toward another partner because of it, it should simply be addressed, make a change and don't make a silly excuse like "I NEED to do this because I am a freakin' male", that's just rediculous and completely dismissing of your partners feelings, not a good combo. for a relationship. Obviously I have very many opinions on the matter, but I am telling you from someone who has looked at both sides of the spectrum, that as innocent as it seems, pornography can hurt a relationship very much, while some it can help, it just depends on the couple. But if you are a couple then you have to act as a couple and take eachothers feelings into consideration, and just as a male does not want to be judge for looking at porn, neither does the mate that opposes it, keep that in mind! You should never feel that you are settling for something just because supposedly most people don't have an issue with it...know that this is not the reality when it comes to men watching pornography (and their partners reaction), and you are completely normal if it just so happens that you don't want your partner mastubating to someone other than you!