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manuftw82

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Posted: 02-24-08 12:28pm

Well I don't go by that. Pro-Life is more than abortion. It's also about getting rid of the death penalty and also getting rid of euthanasia.
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Posted: 02-24-08 15:42pm

manuftw82 wrote:

Speak for yourself and not all Pro-life people.

I do speak only for myself, and I also quote dictionaries in doing so. Do you accept dictionary definitions, or are you one of the "my opinion is better than any dictionary" poster?

pro-life adjective opposed to the belief that a pregnant woman should have the freedom to choose an abortion if she does not want to have a baby
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define. asp?key=63328&dict=CALD


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If abortion is illegal people will still get them but now women will die as well as their babies. That's not pro-life that's inhumane.

No, that's prolife, according to the dictionary. As to why I support it, it is because I oppose all abortions, legal and illegal. I do believe that many fewer elective abortions will occur after they become illegal again, and I also believe that prolifers will not be doing any illegal abortions, only prochoicers do them.

We do not traditionally formulate our laws to protect the physical safety of those who commit violent aggression against innocent victims, do we?
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Posted: 02-24-08 15:43pm

manuftw82 wrote:
Well I don't go by that. Pro-Life is more than abortion. It's also about getting rid of the death penalty and also getting rid of euthanasia.

No, capital punishment has nothing to do with being prolife:

pro-life adjective against open access to abortion: in favor of bringing the human fetus to full term, especially by campaigning against open access to abortion and against experimentation on embryos http://encarta.m sn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/Dictiona ryResults.aspx?refid=1861736610

pro-life -adj.
opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life http://www.infople ase.com/dictionary/pro-life

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
pro-life -adjective opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life. http: //dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-li fe&r=66

pro-life adjective supporting the belief that it is immoral for a pregnant woman to have the freedom to choose to have an abortion (= an operation to end a pregnancy) if she does not want to have a baby http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi ne.asp?key=prolife*1+0&dict=A
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Posted: 02-24-08 21:03pm

yodavater wrote:
As to why I support it, it is because I oppose all abortions, legal and illegal. I do believe that many fewer elective abortions will occur after they become illegal again, and I also believe that prolifers will not be doing any illegal abortions, only prochoicers do them.


Thank god that's not going to happen anytime soon, and by that I mean never. Oh, and ever think there was obviously a reason it became legal in the first place? I can just imagine it now though, a world without legalized abortion. Soon we'll start putting down children in orphanages just like we do at the pound. That's only of course if women decide not to get them, but I don't think that would stop that many of them.
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Posted: 02-24-08 21:31pm

It is always amazing to me how "prolifers" become "prochoicers" when it is them and their special circumstances then return to being "prolifers" when they leave the clinic.

I would suppose that will hold true in the very unlikely event all abortions are made illegal.

"...capitol punishment has nothing to do with being prolife" So the only thing that is relevent to "prolife" is being aginst abortion? Then why do you get all in a tizzy when you are called antiabortionists? Pro life would appear to include all life or aleast all human life would that not in clude criminals and civilians in a war zone? Perhaps you could form a subset and call yourselves pro zygote/embryonic/fetal human lifeers.

And you wonder why you are seen as hypocrits?
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Posted: 02-25-08 07:51am

sistersister wrote:
It is always amazing to me how "prolifers" become "prochoicers" when it is them and their special circumstances then return to being "prolifers" when they leave the clinic.

I would suppose that will hold true in the very unlikely event all abortions are made illegal.

"...capitol punishment has nothing to do with being prolife" So the only thing that is relevent to "prolife" is being aginst abortion? Then why do you get all in a tizzy when you are called antiabortionists? Pro life would appear to include all life or aleast all human life would that not in clude criminals and civilians in a war zone? Perhaps you could form a subset and call yourselves pro zygote/embryonic/fetal human lifeers.

And you wonder why you are seen as hypocrits?


Not all.. Wink
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Posted: 02-25-08 09:41am

Believe it or not Blonde I know that.
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Posted: 02-25-08 10:48am

yodavater wrote:

... Do you accept dictionary definitions, or are you one of the "my opinion is better than any dictionary" poster?


As if that is a bad thing! Laughing
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Posted: 02-25-08 17:03pm

sistersister wrote:
Believe it or not Blonde I know that.


lol!!!!! What is wrong with some people??? Why does every comment automatically refer to "every single person", or "every last one of you", unless it is written otherwise?

The word "you" in a general term. It doesn't mean ALL unless the writer specifically says ALL.
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Posted: 02-25-08 20:31pm

SisterSister,

I wanted to ask you a question about something you said a few posts up, just out of curiosity (to clarify, I am pro-choice, and rarely post on here unless I see something so outrageous I just can't help myself Smile )

You said that "It is always amazing to me how "prolifers" become "prochoicers" when it is them and their special circumstances then return to being "prolifers" when they leave the clinic. "

My question was, how often does this happen at the clinic you work at?

Where I live there isn't much abortion controversy except for the occasional bumber sticker (always displayed by the prolife side. I did see a prochoice one once!). I can only imagine that at least one of those people protesting at your clinic has either walked in themselves or known someone close to them who has!
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Posted: 02-25-08 21:32pm

Yes we and all clinics get more than a few every month. since we have a four day procedure we really get a chance to get to know our patients and their families.

We have evn had patients that protested at the clinic in their hometown, still think it is morally wrong for everyone else and if it was not for their special circumstances they would be out at our gate with the protestors.

The thing in that no one knows what might happen and these folks hopefully will leave with a better understanding about abortion not being about bumper stickers and slogans but about real situations and choices that sometimes have to be made.

I never have been one to put bumper stickers on my car (hey I want to know who they are not make it easy to spot me) But I did see one the other day that I thought was great IF YOU CAN'T TRUST ME WITH A CHOICE HOW CAN YOU TRUST ME WITH A CHILD?
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Posted: 02-25-08 22:57pm

I'm prolife and I never had any abortions and never I put myself in a situation where I could be pregnant. I waited to have a sex life at the correct time. I'm so proud of myself. I did everything right. Smile
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Posted: 02-25-08 23:30pm

SisterSister,

yeah I figured you would get a few of those. I always wonder what goes on in their heads that makes them think that their "circumstance" is ok, but not anyone elses?

I remember once reading about a girl who was brought in by her mother who was one of the "regulars" who protested outside of a clinic. When the woman was asked if this changed her views on abortion, she replied, "I wouldn't expect YOU to understand her situation."

But wouldn't someone working in a clinic understand, if not sympathize? I mean, they (the workers) don't discriminate who they provide their services to, but when hypocritical patients come in and still radiate ingratitude and disgust, I just don't understand. Confused

I never put bumper stickers on my car either, and I just can't help but shake my head at the ones who are so superficial that they think "oh hey look at me, I'm so hardcore I want everyone driving behind me to know what my beliefs are".
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Posted: 02-25-08 23:38pm

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Posted: 02-25-08 23:49pm

ah thanks futureshock, this must have been where I read it. ::sigh:: it's a frustrating read, and I'll never understand them ( their choice I could understand, their mentality, never).

It feels odd to post so much in a day, lol O_o .
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Posted: 02-27-08 17:15pm

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Soon we'll start putting down children in orphanages just like we do at the pound. .

One of your "colleagues", a Professor Peter Singer (Princeton), has already proposed that abortion be extended to include one month old newborn babies. He is a champion of abortions rights.
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Posted: 02-27-08 17:19pm

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So the only thing that is relevent to "prolife" is being aginst abortion? Then why do you get all in a tizzy when you are called antiabortionists?

Yes, and I don't object at all to being called an antiabortionist... or even "antichoice", for that matter.

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Pro life would appear to include all life or aleast all human life would that not include criminals and civilians in a war zone?

No, it does not. The term refers ONLY to abortion. Would you care to see some valid, linked dictionary definitions?

sistersister wrote:

And you wonder why you are seen as hypocrits?

No, I don't. In fact, that's one of the milder personal attacks we experience.
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Posted: 02-27-08 17:21pm

Birch wrote:
yodavater wrote:

... Do you accept dictionary definitions, or are you one of the "my opinion is better than any dictionary" poster?

As if that is a bad thing!

Yeah, I do see that as a "bad thing". I see that as extreme arrogance, and/or a total lack of respect for academic integrity.
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Posted: 02-27-08 17:22pm

futureshock wrote:
Read this:
The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion

Stories like that prove the existence of PLINOs. (Pro-Lifers In Name Only).
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Posted: 02-27-08 18:19pm

yodavater wrote:
Birch wrote:
yodavater wrote:

... Do you accept dictionary definitions, or are you one of the "my opinion is better than any dictionary" poster?

As if that is a bad thing!

Yeah, I do see that as a "bad thing". I see that as extreme arrogance, and/or a total lack of respect for academic integrity.

http://dictionary.ref erence.com/browse/pro
http://dictionary.re ference.com/browse/life
yep see I do follow the dictionary.
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