Marijuana. As Safe as You Think? Posted: 02-09-08 14:24pm
Their IS research pointing to marijuana
not being as safe as many try and say.
People who smoke marijuana are getting 3-5
times more tar into their lungs then the
average cigarette smoker. Many have
larger amounts of mucous, chronic coughing
and other symptoms similar to smokers.
Marijuana is shown to cause a loss in
motor skills and a large effect on
critical parts of the brain that control
learned skills and the changes caused by
smoking marijuana are similar to those
cause by many other major drugs.
Pregnant and breastfeeding women are also
causing harm to their children. The THC
is passed on to the child and this causes
a loss in motor skills development causing
their child to lose control of their
muscles.
As we can see marijuana is not the
*harmless drug* that many think. I do
believe it can be effective in helping
cancer patients and in medicinal purposes
but should the average person be allowed
to harm themselves for the joy of a high
and in the process add to a growing drug
trade industry? I don't think so.
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you dont have to smoke it! Posted: 02-09-08 15:14pm
Thats the great thing about marijuana, you
don't have to smoke it so the whole
problem of lung cancer and mucous and
chronic coughing and smokers problems
don't necessarily apply. As stated in many
other medical marijuana threads, there are
many ways to ingest it without having to
smoke it. Smoking anything isn't good for
you. But you can cook it in brownies,
spaghetti sauce, you can inhale the vapors
threw a vaporizer, you can get the THC in
liquid form for spraying into your mouth,
etc. So yes, marijuana is safe as stated.
And by the way, no one is insinuating that
pregnant women should use MJ or tobacco or
alcohol, etc...a little common since goes
a long long way.
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-09-08 15:19pm
The facts, medical data, science, and
logic regarding the hazards of marijuana
use are not of interest to those that have
decided to smoke the weed for recreational
purposes under the guise of being a
"medicine".
I would suggest you send your remarks to
the DEA and FDA as a concerned citizen.
Most people that use marijuana for
"medical" reasons do not cook it in
spaghetti or in brownies...they smoke it
and will continue to do so.
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Posted: 02-09-08 15:47pm
Hi. Lizet!! It is your personal right to
assess the mj situation up for yourself
and act accordingly... it is everyone's
personal right to do the same. The
pollution and enviornmental allergens are
not good for u either, but u have to
breathe. The debates about good vs. bad
effects of mj will go on forever. As
homerx stated there are many ways to
ingest mj--for medicinal use or
recreational use--it has been on this
planet for thousands of years and i am
sure utilized in a variety of ways and for
different reasons. There are probably as
much pros as cons about mj as far as
research goes...it is up to each person to
decide to decline or use as they see fit.
I think it is extremely rude to trash
another person's views without knowing the
complete circumstances of their use of mj.
Where has tolerance and respect for
another's opinion gone? Life is hard,
there are alot of things out there that
will kill u--eventually something will--
educate yourself and make your own
personal decision re: mj --or anything
else --for that matter. Good luck!
Bobbette
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lizet
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Posted: 02-09-08 16:09pm
Quote:
tr>
Because the
effects are felt almost immediately by the
smoker, further inhalation can be stopped
at any time and the effect therefore
regulated. In contrast, those ingesting
marijuana experience effects that are
slower to develop, cumulative, longer
lasting, and more variable, making
unpleasant reactions more likely with this
method of
administration.
Actually most of the effects I listed tend
to be worsened but ingesting marijuana.
You can not stop when *enough is enough*
because it takes much longer to feel it
and by then you could have already
consumed more than desired. Also, the
effects are felt for longer periods of
time and are in fact worse than smoking.
And personal jabs will get you no where,
especially when you misspell it
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lizet
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Posted: 02-09-08 16:21pm
Also, Bobbette, I never trashed anyone's
views. I was stating medical fact that
everyone should know before deciding to
light up. It is NOT as healthy as
everyone makes it out to be. Their are
legitimate health concerns for people
smoking marijuana and I believe they
should know that.
Also, I did say it can be effective as a
medical treatment, but I also believe that
it should be a legitimate prescription,
not just *I don't feel good let me get
stoned and maybe that will help*
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Posted: 02-09-08 17:53pm
Lizet--I was not referring to anything you
posted--i was referring to back pain's
response to homerxs' post. ---Bobbette
ps what misspelling were u referrring
to?--Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Posted: 02-09-08 18:58pm
back pain 5150-- you are inferring that
anyone who recognizes the medicinal
effects of mj is a "user". You are wrong
for that, and again, just another one of
your posts that have been reported. i
will take the advice of other posters who
have said when they see "back pain5150" or
"Algosdoc" posts, they scroll right past
it and never look back. Peace-- good luck
with your mj phobia/trauma...goodbye
...Bobbette P.S. i think you r more open
and objective on the back pain sites.
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lizet
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Posted: 02-09-08 19:12pm
In all honesty, I do think it should be
legalized, I just want everyone to stop
saying it is soooo healthy. It isn't.
Their is tar and side effects that should
be known.
That being said, I think America can only
gain from the legalization. It is not as
bed as cigarettes or alcohol (by any
means) but i can honestly say I would
never do it. I do not smoke and rarely
drink (and never excessively) so I am not
picking and choosing my *drugs of choice*
based on stigma.
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Posted: 02-09-08 19:18pm
oh no, Lizet!!!!! I can see it coming --
the fda talk is coming have fun with it!
Really though, you r making informed,
intelligent choices for yourself!!! Good
luck--Bobbette
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lizet
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Posted: 02-09-08 19:23pm
Thanks! And the misspelling was directed
at homerx and his jab at my common *since*
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Posted: 02-09-08 19:39pm
Interesting...I have no idea who back
pain5150 is, so this must be a reference
to a poster that is not on this forum. I
am certainly relieved this person that you
presume to "infer" something has been
reported! I hope they were reported to
the appropriate forum since they don't
seem to be posting here. It is certainly
constructive to report every post that we
disagree with, since by eliminating the
posters with an opposing opinion, we will
be able freely espouse a uniform view. I
applaud the effort to stamp out anyone
that disagrees with you....that is the
adult way to handle conflict.
If marijuana turns out to be a great
drug that has less side effects and is at
least as effective as other currently
available drugs when subjected to rigorous
scientific study, and it is produced in a
form that will minimze the health issues
from smoking it and in uniform controlled
dosages, I would agree that it should be
legalized. However in the absence of
these conditions, it is no more reasonable
to legalize it than heroin.
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Posted: 02-09-08 19:43pm
Lizet--i don't know if u have checked out
the medicinal mj forums. They are very
interesting and give the pros and cons and
a variety of peoples' opinions (most are
open and tolerant of others views). The
tenth post on that forum is medical mj by
homerx. It is his story. He also has had
a stroke a couple of years ago and had to
learn to read and write all over again. i
know he uses spell check, but i guess it
got away from him. Check it out...
Bobbette
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lizet
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Posted: 02-09-08 19:46pm
Ok, thanks. I take personal jabs fairly
seriously when some one is questioning my
common sense.
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Posted: 02-09-08 20:49pm
lizet
wrote:
Quote:
tr>
Because the
effects are felt almost immediately by the
smoker, further inhalation can be stopped
at any time and the effect therefore
regulated. In contrast, those ingesting
marijuana experience effects that are
slower to develop, cumulative, longer
lasting, and more variable, making
unpleasant reactions more likely with this
method of
administration.
Actually most of the effects I listed tend
to be worsened but ingesting marijuana.
You can not stop when *enough is enough*
because it takes much longer to feel it
and by then you could have already
consumed more than desired. Also, the
effects are felt for longer periods of
time and are in fact worse than smoking.
And personal jabs will get you no where,
especially when you misspell it
I have no idea what personal jabs you are
referring to. Care to give me a clue?If
you are talking about the common since
thing I was talking in general, not about
you personally so if you took it
personally then i am sorry.And yes, I had
a stroke and had to learn to read and
write all over again so sorry if it
offends you when I misspell a
word...please forgive my ignorance.
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Posted: 02-09-08 21:05pm
lizet
wrote:
In all honesty, I do think
it should be legalized, I just want
everyone to stop saying it is soooo
healthy. It isn't. Their is tar and side
effects that should be known.
That being said, I think America can only
gain from the legalization. It is not as
bed as cigarettes or alcohol (by any
means) but i can honestly say I would
never do it. I do not smoke and rarely
drink (and never excessively) so I am not
picking and choosing my *drugs of choice*
based on
stigma.
Thanks, lizet, I personally think alcohol
should be illegal so to each his own.. I
do not drink alcohol ever and it
definitely kills innocent bystanders...
I do not know what you have read about me
but I do have a terminal disease and my
doctor has proscribed me Marinol and has
told me to feel free to use Medical
marijuana. I do not smoke it, I cook it
and put it in teas and food so i am not
affecting my lungs with toxic smoke. If we
got off on the wrong foot or if I offended
you then please except my apologies. And
my spelling isn't so good since my stroke
but believe it or not, I won 2 spelling
bees in high school and used to read 2 or
3 novels every week. I really miss that.
peace and Love
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Posted: 02-10-08 00:08am
Yes, in the beginning I did smoke it until
I was given the knowledge about using it
in other ways i.e. cooking and eating and
drinking and vaporizing,etc. You are
heartless, backpain...my step father was
terminal with colon cancer for 9 years,
but he died. My uncle was terminal with
lung cancer for 11 years, but he died.
Terminal does not mean you are dying
tomorrow. You are a real humanitarian. I
hope you can see,lizit, what kind of
person you are dealing with when you are
dealing with backpain.
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-10-08 00:33am
If we considered anyone with a severe
illness to be "terminal", then chronic
obstructive lung disease would be
"terminal", and we would have millions of
"terminal" people in this country. Same
for serious heart disease, slow growing
cancers, and some benign tumors. People
would be touted as being "terminal" for
30-40 years. The term in fact, has some
very definitive meanings and should not be
bandied about in an inaccurate manner for
whatever reason the person might have for
doing so.
"A patient who has such an illness may be
referred to as a terminal patient or
terminally ill. Often, a patient is
considered to be terminally ill when the
life expectancy is estimated to be six
months or less, under the assumption that
the disease will run its normal course. A
patient with a slowly progressing disease,
such as AIDS, may not be considered
terminally ill because the best estimates
of longevity were greater than six
months."
Since AIDs is fortunately now no longer
considered a terminal disease for most
people in the US due to expanded treatment
options, it is beneficial for those
claiming to be terminal to ask their
doctors if they are expected to die in 6
months. If not, then live. Live well and
without falsely embracing terms that have
a very specific meaning if those terms do
not apply.
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lizet
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Posted: 02-10-08 00:33am
Backpain, I am pretty sure AIDS is
terminal. Not much you can do about it.
And Homer, I am fully aware. No worries.
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Posted: 02-10-08 01:13am
Back pain - well--you have ruined yet
another thread with your interloping
(homerx was directly addressing lizet--not
u)--- then with your needlessly cruel and
incessant rantings. u know nothing of
forum etiquette and should be banned from
these forums for your aggressive, mean
rantings. Soon u will be able to have
exclusive interactions between yourself
and Algosdoc.