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Q: Just the Truth: Abortion & Mothers Life
asked by: samie on April 30th, 2004
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"abortion is war on women, cleverly disguiesd as promotion fo their rights. The truth is that abortin is never neccessary, and has devastating physical and mental effects on mothers."

"as obstetetricians and gynecologists, we affirm that there is no medical circumstances justifying direct abortion, that is circumstances in which the life of the mother may only be saved by directly terminating the life of her unborn child"

eamon o'dwyer, prof of obstetrics & gynecology, ucg
david jenkins, prof of obstetrics & gynecology, ucc
kieran o'driscoll, prof of obstetrics & gynecology, ucd
julia vaughan, consultant obstetrian & gynecologist,

wher abortion is not an option, for example in ireland doctors must channel their skills and energies into saving lives rather than resorting to the "bad" medicine of abortion. Proof that this situation is more beneficial to both mother and child can be seen in the united nations report(1993) stating "ireland is the safest place in the world for a mother to have a baby"

modern medicine

ectopic pregnancy is where a pregnancy remains in the fallopian tube. It is extremely rare in nature.The removal of an ectopic pregancy is not in the abortion debate and has never been considered as such. Modern medicine has allowed doctors to take the baby from the fallopian tube and succesfully place it in the womb

pre-eclamptic toxemia is high blood presure with general swelling which may lead to fits. This condition is now completely managable. It generally occures in the second half of pregnancy. When severe, an early delievery will be induced which will save the life of both the mother and her child.


In modern medicine, mothers do not die. Mothers are at risk only if they attened "pro choice" doctors. High blood presure, kidney and heart diseases respond to treatment. To suggest as "pro choice" doctors do abortion for high blood presure is like cutting of a foot for an ingrown toe nail.


Heart disease.


The incidence of heart disease in pregnancy is extreamly low. In the largest maternity hospital in europe (holles st hospital in dublin) there were 558 cases of heart condition (both mild and severe) to 159,680 births between 1969 and 1990 abortion would not have benefited any of these mothers.

Numerous reports of heart surgery durring pregnancy include succesful correction of most types of congenital and acuired cardiac disease. Maternal mortality is dependant on the specific nature of the procedure being performed and is not increased in pregnancy. Succesfull pregnancy following heart transplantation has also been reported.






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linuxChique
replied on May 15th, 2004
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Re: Just the Truth: Abortion & Mothers Life
samie wrote:

ectopic pregnancy is where a pregnancy remains in the fallopian tube. It is extremely rare in nature.The removal of an ectopic pregancy is not in the abortion debate and has never been considered as such. Modern medicine has allowed doctors to take the baby from the fallopian tube and succesfully place it in the womb


i would love to know where you got this information. Everything I have ever read or heard from a doctor states that ectopic pregnancies cannot be moved. They do not accept the new location and will not implant at the new location, but instead, just pass out of the mother's body even when relocation is attempted.
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purple333
replied on May 15th, 2004
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Samie This Is Debate Material!!
Since samie insists on crusading where she knows she shouldn't Evil or Very Mad I will post to lend support to those who come here seeking help, understanding & empathy rather than abuse & denunciation.

Samie's on a one woman mission to make any woman who ever considers abortion much less has one feel like the worst scum ever created, she views all such women & any person who is pro-choice as homicide ers. She is like those religious fanatics who can quote the bible at will, but only know or acknowledge the parts that suit there particular views, so samie says/tells the information that supports her views & totally disregards any information (& certainly disregards any woman's feelings/needs etc) that might remotely suggest that there are times when abortion is warranted.

Samie's problem is that she had an abortion & she feels quilty/sorry etc about it so now she wants everyone who has had, may have or who is pro-choice to suffer with her. That way she thinks & is trying to pass on her feelings of guilt to others.

The simple fact is that everyone is different & so are the circumstances of everyone & so the decision that is right/wrong is different for each person & also different in each case for each person. In other words what is right for me on one occasion may not be on another even though it may appear that my circumstances are the same.

Women do die in childbirth today all over the world. They die due to problems caused by being pregnant, problems which occur during labour & problems which occur after the birth. Crying or Very sad

samie & other anti-choice activists conveniently forget that until very recently thousands of babies self-aborted (miscarried) due to their inability to survive - this was gods way of reducing the drain seriously retarded children have on their families & society biut now medical science makes it possible for these babies to survive. In many cases this is wonderful :d but in some cases medical science should butt out & let nature take it's course.

Since medical science has decreed that it is the new god (whether the dr is pro-or anti-choice) women themselves deserve the right to be able to make the decisions which are right for them & which they believe to be right for their family & the child they are carrying.
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samie
replied on May 17th, 2004
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I have noticed if your pro life you are pigeon holed into one or more of the following categories.

1, religious zealot, nut, extremist, bigot
2. A women who has had an abortion regrets it and taking it out on others
3,. A women who has never had an abortion who doesn’t understand what women go through
4. A man hell bent on destroying human rights

we are never called

1. Religious moralists
2. Experienced women with a unique and very valid point of view
3. Women who appreciate children and recognise the wonderful gift of life
4. A modern man who loves both children and women.
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oopoopoop
replied on May 17th, 2004
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Those who are pro-choice can also be called
1. Religious moralists
2. Experienced women with a unique and very valid point of view
3. Women who appreciate children and recognise the wonderful gift of life
4. A modern man who loves both children and women.

If you are so into name calling that it matters!
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samie
replied on May 17th, 2004
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Never said they couldnt just we never get called those things oh and all the major religions and most lesser religions oppose abortion so dont know how pro choice could be called religious moralists.
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carvytaph
replied on May 31st, 2004
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Re: Samie This Is Debate Material!!
purple333 wrote:
since samie insists on crusading where she knows she shouldn't Evil or Very Mad I will post to lend support to those who come here seeking help, understanding & empathy rather than abuse & denunciation.

Samie's on a one woman mission to make any woman who ever considers abortion much less has one feel like the worst scum ever created, she views all such women & any person who is pro-choice as homicide ers. She is like those religious fanatics who can quote the bible at will, but only know or acknowledge the parts that suit there particular views, so samie says/tells the information that supports her views & totally disregards any information (& certainly disregards any woman's feelings/needs etc) that might remotely suggest that there are times when abortion is warranted.

Samie's problem is that she had an abortion & she feels quilty/sorry etc about it so now she wants everyone who has had, may have or who is pro-choice to suffer with her. That way she thinks & is trying to pass on her feelings of guilt to others.


The simple fact is that everyone is different & so are the circumstances of everyone & so the decision that is right/wrong is different for each person & also different in each case for each person. In other words what is right for me on one occasion may not be on another even though it may appear that my circumstances are the same.


Women do die in childbirth today all over the world. They die due to problems caused by being pregnant, problems which occur during labour & problems which occur after the birth. Crying or Very sad

samie & other anti-choice activists conveniently forget that until very recently thousands of babies self-aborted (miscarried) due to their inability to survive - this was gods way of reducing the drain seriously retarded children have on their families & society biut now medical science makes it possible for these babies to survive. In many cases this is wonderful :d but in some cases medical science should butt out & let nature take it's course.

Since medical science has decreed that it is the new god (whether the dr is pro-or anti-choice) women themselves deserve the right to be able to make the decisions which are right for them & which they believe to be right for their family & the child they are carrying.


since you think you know sami so well, maybe you should take your thoughts and comments to a personal level.
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2ferano
replied on May 31st, 2004
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What are you talking about?
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