I agree this debate is sick - there is often little or no respect for those who are dying today and tommorow women and unborn children and this lack of respect comes from both sides of the fence in the case of both parties.

However it is essential that we debate and raise awareness about abortion. It is very important we as pro life advocates remember not everyone has the understanding or knowledge we do.

Pro choice people are not terrible mindless evil doers, they are simply misinformed mislead on the abortion issue and fearful of pro life as they see us as a group of people wishing to take away what they honestly believe to be a fundemental right.

We need to educate not alianate.

Unfortunately so many anti-abortionists come across as irrational, obsessive fanatics who are just as dangerous as the taliban in their attitude to women. They don't tend to be very convincing to women who are frightened, sick and alone.

Many anti-abortionists have been very helpful to women who really don't want to have abortions, but think it might be their only option. They are the ones who don't preach, don't condemn as evil, don't try to frighten women with all sorts of pseudo-scientific so-called facts. Instead, they offer better option, giving emotional support and often financial support in a way that demonstrates they have some sympathy with a difficult situation.

Ranting and raving aren't helpful.

Yep I totaly agree. If I was 16 and facing this decision and came on in need for support and help i'd be scared health question less. I wouldn't feel people were trying to give me facts, but pushing there beliefs down on me and making me feel horrible. You can state your reasonings without making judgments on other people

Look poo, I know that "so called facts" statement was aimed at me; I assure you what I have said is true, biologists are unanimous in that a human beings life begins at conception even pro choice biologists. I have posted testimonies to this fact from medical backgrounds you have simply stated your opinion.

Life? Well, in the sense that it is living. But not personhood.

Ok what constitutes a person - look it up in the dictionary first if you like.

1st answer a human being come on give me the next two.

You will love the last answer!

Uh ohhhh here we go again....

Samie I have a question for you. Do you feel guilty about the decision you made becasue you feel it was wrong? Or becasue you cannot have a child now becasue of the choice you made?

One of the best tests of personhood is viability, upon which the 1973 supreme court decision roe vs. Wade was based. Viability is defined as the ability to live outside the womb. It is based upon the broader logic that "a person is as a person does." in other words, people normally breathe on their own, circulate blood on their own, fight off most germs on their own and sustain normal cellular activity on their own. A fetus is able to achieve these functions once it reaches a weight of about 5 pounds. This usually occurs between the 7th and 8th month of pregnancy -- coincidentally, about the time that the baby has finished its brain and central nervous system. The extra womb time appears to be a biological courtesy.

Viability, what about people on iron lungs?

They came into this world breathing- what about them?

If you think this debate is sick, then why are you here?
Samie, prochoicers are not misled. It is so funny that just because we don't agree with you that we are automatically uneducated and misled. That is just pathetic. I truly hope that none of you are ever in a situation where you would have to consider an abortion, but that would probably be the only way for you to open your minds.