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Should people with AIDS, CANCER,etc, be able to get Medical Marijuana?
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Should People with Cronic Illness Be Free To Get Marijuana?
Posted: 01-31-08 19:16pm

Should it be legal to prescribe Medical Marijuana to people with AIDS,Cancer or other life threatening chronic illnesses?
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Posted: 01-31-08 19:41pm

Of course it should be legal to get medicinal mj for these ails-- they have fewer side effects with mj than those RX drugs that can cause all sorts of damage and even death from taking-- c'mon nobody has ever died from or od'ed on mj. this is a no-brainer--but like Drew said they like to equate mj with heroin!!! Geez!!the world we live in --
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Posted: 01-31-08 20:00pm

Of course smoking marijuana should not be legal for those with any illness since it has not been proven to be safe (a requirement of the FDA to approve any drug) . Marijuana is today just like cigarettes were in the 1950s...it is chic for everyone to be doing it, but just as with cigarettes in the 1950s it is assumed to be safe because the studies have not been done to prove long term safety. It has killed thousands if not tens of thousands of people from cancer, lung diseases, traffic fatalities, and drug culture crimes. It is a no-brainer for the FDA.
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Posted: 01-31-08 22:30pm

The Fda is not doing long term research on some of these new rx drugs they put out there that are damaging peoples' organs and in some cases even killing them-- i am sure you have seen the commercials and heard of the litagation. Personally , i think the fda is a joke...like so many other agencies these days --they are not doing their jobs and throwing these drugs out there for pharmaceutical profits. It is a fact that cigarettes and alcohol are killers--the research on marjuana pros and cons are at an all time high (no pun intended)--there are no pros to cigarette smoking or alcohol consumption --none....however both of these are legal. You actually think the fda is out there to protect the people? i agree with u the fda has no brain or conscience. Peace==did u even watch and listen to the video????
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Posted: 01-31-08 23:18pm

The FDA does not perform any research but approves drugs submitted to it as "safe and effective" insomuch as is possible given the data available. If there is insufficient data, then the FDA requires further studies by the manufacturer.
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Posted: 01-31-08 23:55pm

The fda is the overseer of all the drugs that are put out there on the market for human use. Yes, and again there is something wrong with its checking and balancing system when drugs that are supposedly "safe and effective" wind up killing people or causing irreversible organ damage or lesser but still significant side effects. And they even have the audacity to promote some of these drugs on tv and state that "death may occur"--as the very last possible side effect. Again, i say they are not doing their job at protecting people from potentially harmful drugs--neither are the people doing the research. Why don't u do some research on the fda kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies? It does not seem that further studying is being expected by manufacturers of drugs that they are publicly stating serious side effects may occur!!! And that indeed should be a "red flag" for the fda --or they themselves will just know better not to touch the drug.i would really like to know if u bothered to view Drew Carey's video or did u just vote 'no" on the poll.
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Posted: 02-01-08 06:43am

I have no interest in what a comedian says about marijuana.
The FDA does not promote drugs nor does it advertise them on TV. Manufacturers list all serious side effects as required by law but if you note the stratification of these events have been collated into statistical probability segments in drug information sheets. No drug is completely safe, no chemical is completely safe. The FDA's job is not to insure products have no side effects with proper or improper use. Their position is to define the side effects, determine relative risks of these side effects, then if sufficiently safe to release on a population when USED AS PRESCRIBED, permit the manufacture, advertising, and sale of the product. It should be pointed out, the FDA is not a monolithic structure, nor is it intransigent. The regulation imposed on drugs today compared with 40 years ago is several orders of magnitude greater. Don't you ever ponder why acetaminophen or aspirin have very short information sheets with virtually no side effects at all listed? It is not because there are not any side effects, nor are the drugs safer than many prescription drugs in the same classes today. The reason is that the FDA has evolved over time into an entity that requires full disclosure for new drugs. You decry the release of drugs with bad side effects....well guess what? Acetaminophen (Tylenol) kills hundreds to thousands of people each year in the US as does aspirin. There is no long list of side effects during their advertisement since they were approved using different standards during a different era in which far fewer clinical studies were required before approval.
Certain delivery systems such as smoking a drug have so many known inherently malevolent side effects that consideration of such would be verboten by the FDA. If the FDA ever considered marijuana to be made available, it would definitely not be in a form in which causes cancer, lung disease, liver damage, and death, but would be in the form of a pill. Oh, the recreational drug users posing as medical orphans trying to get the drug "legally" will state the drug is not effective as a pill. But how would they know? They have never tried it. The FDA may eventually legalize some form of marijuana, but it will not be smoked and it will not be in a form that recreational users will want. And if approved, it too will have a long list of side effects including death.
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Posted: 02-01-08 08:17am

backpain1955 wrote:
Of course smoking marijuana should not be legal for those with any illness since it has not been proven to be safe (a requirement of the FDA to approve any drug) . Marijuana is today just like cigarettes were in the 1950s...it is chic for everyone to be doing it, but just as with cigarettes in the 1950s it is assumed to be safe because the studies have not been done to prove long term safety. It has killed thousands if not tens of thousands of people from cancer, lung diseases, traffic fatalities, and drug culture crimes. It is a no-brainer for the FDA.


If marijuana is proven safe, will you be for legalization for medical use?
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Posted: 02-01-08 09:19am

Yes, but there will have to be a way to separate it from the drug culture and illegal activities that surround that culture.
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Posted: 02-01-08 10:11am

Of course the fda does not promote dugs nor advertise on tv!!!! By "they" i meant the pharmaceutical companies. It seems u like play semantics and dwell on the little things so as not to deal with what is actually being said. If i say "they" , u automatically refer back to the fda instead of the pharmaceutical companies --give me a break --i am sure other people know what i am talking about.... it is lost on u.
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FDA KICK BACKS from PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES
Posted: 02-01-08 10:37am

bobbette wrote:
Of course the fda does not promote dugs nor advertise on tv!!!! By "they" i meant the pharmaceutical companies. It seems u like play semantics and dwell on the little things so as not to deal with what is actually being said. If i say "they" , u automatically refer back to the fda instead of the pharmaceutical companies --give me a break --i am sure other people know what i am talking about.... it is lost on u.


In increasing numbers, pharmaceutical fraud whistleblowers have come out of the woodwork to target the pharmaceutical industry. Several hundred pharmaceutical fraud cases covering more than 500 drugs are now under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice under the False Claims Act. Settlement of the first 16 pharmaceutical fraud cases (including kickbacks, Medicaid rebate fraud, and best price violations) brought by whistleblowers has returned over $4 billion to the U.S. On the radar screen in addition to pricing schemes, off-label marketing fraud and pharmaceutical kickbacks, are NDA fraud, cGMP fraud, clinical trial fraud, average sales price fraud, Medicaid rebate fraud, and a variety of other fraudulent schemes exposed by whistleblowers.

Recent News Focus:

Nolan & Auerbach represents whistleblowers in Schering-Plough Qui Tam Case

2 of the 3 whistleblowers in this case are clients of Nolan & Auerbach. Their recovery relates to the off-label marketing of Temodar, Rebetron and Intron A. The final relator share recovery by our two clients is over $12 million.

In January 2007, Schering Sales Corp. and its parent company were sentenced to pay $435 million as part of a settlement with the Justice Department over accusations it improperly marketed drugs for unapproved uses and lied to the government about drug prices. Under the settlement which was announced in August 2006, Schering Sales pleaded guilty to conspiracy and agreed to pay a criminal fine of $180 million. Its parent company, Schering-Plough Corp., agreed to pay another $255 million to resolve civil aspects of the case, including a qui tam lawsuit. The qui tam lawsuit included allegations that Schering-Plough marketed drugs for uses that had not been approved by the Food & Drug Administration. One drug was Temodar, a drug the FDA approved only to treat a rare type of brain tumor called anaplastic astrocytoma. The company also promoted the unapproved use of Intron A for the treatment of cancer on the surface of the bladder.

Kickbacks

In April 2007 the Government announced that Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. will plead guilty to a single count of offering to an outside vendor a kickback in the form of an award of a contract to manage a Genotropin patient assistance program as an inducement for recommending the purchase of its medicines.

Federal law prohibits pharmaceutical kickback fraud because it is thought to color the judgment of the physician, i.e. the physician will prescribe a prescription drug based not on what is best and economical for the patient, but based upon what prescription drug product most increases the physician's bottom line. This is bad for the patient and bad for Medicare, Medicaid and other Government healthcare programs. Other examples of kickbacks are as follows:

Offering Pharmaceutical Kickbacks to Physicians in the Form of Phony Drug Studies - Some pharmaceutical companies have provided remuneration for clinical studies as a means to induce physicians to prescribe their products. The "research" performed has no legitimate value, and is merely a pretext for payments for referrals.

"Phony Speaker fees" paid for by Honoraria - Some pharmaceutical companies have used "honorarium" fees or "speaker" fees for physician marketing. Approved by management, they were ostensibly compensation to physicians for agreeing to speak at a formal speaking engagement. In most instances, they were kickbacks for prescriptions, with the physician never speaking at any formal function.

Phony Grants - Approved by management, pharmaceutical sales representatives have been allowed by certain companies to give "grants" to physicians, physician groups and medical facilities ostensibly for an educational program or research program. They have actually been used to provide kickbacks to physicians and companies to do whatever they wanted with the money, in return for business.

Phony Unlimited Preceptorships - Preceptorships are ostensibly a teaching session in which a physician would teach the sales representatives certain technical aspects of his practice in exchange for a sum of money, say $500.00. If the preceptorships were used to induce the physicians to prescribe a drug product (rather than in exchange for teaching), the payment violates the Anti-kickback Statute.

Phony Investigator Meetings - In some pharmaceutical companies, investigator meetings are ostensibly called for physicians to talk about potential non-indicated uses of drugs. Sales representatives are allowed and instructed to spend lavishly on all physicians, both the speakers and invitees. It has been typical for investigator meetings to last only two hours, yet pharmaceutical companies paid for the physicians' airfare, hotel, golf, spa treatments, etc. at luxury hotels around the country.

Advisory Board Meetings - These meetings are typically for the ostensible purpose of getting input/feedback from physicians on drug performance, how they treat disease states. During Advisory Board meetings, honoraria, lavish entertainment and expenses for physicians have been paid for by the pharmaceutical companies.

Offering Pharmaceutical Kickbacks to Physicians in the Form of Samples - Some pharmaceutical companies have encouraged and facilitated the widespread provision of free vials of injectable drugs to physicians. How much the physician is given depends upon what the sales representatives negotiate. It is attractive to the physicians because each vial provided as a "free sample" is worth from $100.00 to $1,000.00 in revenue. Due to this inducement, the physician then determines that it would be quite profitable to start treating his patients with the injectable drug that he profits most on.

A physician and a former vice president for sales for TAP Pharmaceutical Products ("TAP") exposed a pharmaceutical kickback scheme in a case, which settled for $875 million ($290 million in criminal fines and $585 million in civil damages and penalties). TAP, Abbott Laboratories' joint venture with Takeda Chemicals of Japan, pled guilty to a criminal charge of conspiring with doctors to overbill government insurers for Lupron. The allegations involved manipulating the AWP (used at the time to set reimbursement rates for the Medicare program), and providing pharmaceutical kickbacks in the form of free samples to physicians.

Off-label Marketing

Off-label whistleblowers have caused several pharmaceutical companies to modify their illegal promotions where the FDA has not.

In April 2007 the Government announced that Pharmacia & Upjohn Company LLC entered into a Deferred Prosecution Agreement with the Department of Justice (DOJ) that includes a fine of $15 million to address the improper promotion of Genotropin, supposedly based upon a full self-disclosure of the off-label promotion of Genotropin by a Pharmacia subsidiary before Pharmacia was acquired by Pfizer.

In May, 2004, Pfizer, Inc.'s Warner-Lambert unit agreed settle a qui tam lawsuit that alleged it promoted its epilepsy drug Neurontin, for uses not approved by the FDA. In addition to pleading guilty to criminal charges (which included a $240 million criminal fine) that it misbranded the drug, the company paid a civil fine of $152 million and agreed to pay an additional $38 million to various state consumer protection agencies, bringing the total settlement amount to $430 million for this pharmaceutical fraud case.

Clinical Trial Fraud

An article that appeared in The Wall Street Journal Europe reveals how pharmaceutical trials sponsored by pharmaceutical companies as well as those conducted by the government and other public entities may not always produce the same results, with results seemingly too often being in favor of the entity funding the study. For example, in an analysis published in the American Journal of Psychiatry, it was found that in every publicly available trial funded by Pharma that compared five new antipsychotic drugs against each another, the results of nine out of 10 studies concluded that the best drug was the one manufactured by the pharmaceutical company sponsoring the study. The article suggests that such divergent results can be the result of biases in trial design and even in interpreting the study outcome. Experts say that this situation is even more prevalent in trials that measure symptomatic relief as opposed to whether or not a disease was actually cured, as such trials lend themselves to less stringent results interpretation this is a case of pharmaceutical fraud. Nolan & Auerbach is currently representing whistleblowers in sealed qui tam cases involving drugs that were approved by the FDA based upon fraudulent manipulation of clinical trial data - clinical trial fraud.

cGMP Fraud

A corollary of clinical trial fraud are violations of the current Good Manufacturing Practices. cGMP fraud is a practice that also frustrates the scientific process and jeopardizes the integrity of the drug product. "cGMP" fraud is the acronym for the current good manufacturing practice regulations.

The cGMP regulations stem from Congressional concern over the danger that impure and otherwise adulterated drugs might escape detection under a system predicated only on seizure of drugs shown to be in fact adulterated. That is, Congress desired to require manufacturers to abide by laws that, if complied with during the manufacturing stage, would theoretically prevent pharmaceuticals from contamination, bioavailability, or potency defects, for example. The cGMPs require manufacturers to have adequately equipped manufacturing facilities, adequately trained personnel, stringent control over the manufacturing process appropriate laboratory controls, complete and accurate records, reports, appropriate finished product examination, and so on.
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Posted: 02-01-08 10:42am

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I have no interest in what a comedian says about marijuana.
The FDA does not promote drugs nor does it advertise them on TV. Manufacturers list all serious side effects as required by law but if you note the stratification of these events have been collated into statistical probability segments in drug information sheets. No drug is completely safe, no chemical is completely safe. The FDA's job is not to insure products have no side effects with proper or improper use. Their position is to define the side effects, determine relative risks of these side effects, then if sufficiently safe to release on a population when USED AS PRESCRIBED, permit the manufacture, advertising, and sale of the product. It should be pointed out, the FDA is not a monolithic structure, nor is it intransigent. The regulation imposed on drugs today compared with 40 years ago is several orders of magnitude greater. Don't you ever ponder why acetaminophen or aspirin have very short information sheets with virtually no side effects at all listed? It is not because there are not any side effects, nor are the drugs safer than many prescription drugs in the same classes today. The reason is that the FDA has evolved over time into an entity that requires full disclosure for new drugs. You decry the release of drugs with bad side effects....well guess what? Acetaminophen (Tylenol) kills hundreds to thousands of people each year in the US as does aspirin. There is no long list of side effects during their advertisement since they were approved using different standards during a different era in which far fewer clinical studies were required before approval.
Certain delivery systems such as smoking a drug have so many known inherently malevolent side effects that consideration of such would be verboten by the FDA. If the FDA ever considered marijuana to be made available, it would definitely not be in a form in which causes cancer, lung disease, liver damage, and death, but would be in the form of a pill. Oh, the recreational drug users posing as medical orphans trying to get the drug "legally" will state the drug is not effective as a pill. But how would they know? They have never tried it. The FDA may eventually legalize some form of marijuana, but it will not be smoked and it will not be in a form that recreational users will want. And if approved, it too will have a long list of side effects including death.

Talking to old school folks like you is a waste of breath, algosdoc! Rolling Eyes
And another thing algosdoc, why are you still posing as backpain 1955?????? So pathetic..keep reaching....
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Posted: 02-01-08 10:53am

asspain1955 wrote "I have no interest in what a comedian says about marijuana. " Then why are you spouting off, ALGOSDOC???? Watch the video or shut up already...
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Posted: 02-01-08 10:57am

http://www.youtube.co m/watch?v=HG9fawpC3GA

Bobbette did not say that the FDA advertised drugs. The only kind of doctor you are is a spin doctor and a fraud, algosdoc/asspain1955....
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Posted: 02-01-08 11:12am

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backpain1955 wrote:
Of course smoking marijuana should not be legal for those with any illness since it has not been proven to be safe (a requirement of the FDA to approve any drug) . Marijuana is today just like cigarettes were in the 1950s...it is chic for everyone to be doing it, but just as with cigarettes in the 1950s it is assumed to be safe because the studies have not been done to prove long term safety. It has killed thousands if not tens of thousands of people from cancer, lung diseases, traffic fatalities, and drug culture crimes. It is a no-brainer for the FDA.


If marijuana is proven safe, will you be for legalization for medical use?


futureshock, this person has at least 2 other profiles under different names as suspected by the admin. they go by backpain1955 and algosdoc.FYI

By the way backpain1955/algosdoc, you STILL haven't been on the back pain forums according to your profile....not even one time...and I directed you to it and you said you would DEFINITELY go to it for your "back pain" and yet, low and behold, you have only hit the medical marijuana threads....does anyone else find that odd?? Confused flags flags
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Posted: 02-01-08 11:38am

Homerx--of course it is more than odd--but let the baby have it's bottle--it'll be empty soon-----B---Isn't Drew Carey not only a very intelligent , amusing comedian but also a long-standing activist for many worthy causes?? I have such disdain for people who discredit others without even knowing about who they really are and what good they are doing in the world. Someone who won't even watch a video re: the topic posted on this site is not even worth talking to--closed-minded. plp B
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Posted: 02-01-08 11:50am

Here's what TV sitcom star Drew Carey doesn't like: censorship, anti-smoking laws, drug laws, immigration laws, "stupid big government in general" -- and award shows. (They're "publicity stunts" for needy actors, he explains.)

Here's what Drew Carey does like: freedom, competition, free minds, free markets, and -- he won't deny -- beer, dirty jokes, and gambling.

Those likes and dislikes tell you pretty much everything you need to know about Carey. He's not afraid to speak his mind. He's proud of his blue-collar sensibilities. And he's a libertarian.

Carey left no doubts about his political philosophy in a November 1997 interview with Reason magazine. He had a quick answer when asked, "What's your basic attitude toward government?" Carey said: "The less the better. As far as your personal goals are and what you actually want to do with your life, it should never have to do with the government. You should never depend on the government for your retirement, your financial security, for anything. If you do, you're screwed."

Carey's libertarian perspective extended to a wide range of issues. Some examples from the Reason interview:


• On censorship: "What right does [a politician] have to tell me what I can and cannot watch? Change the channel if you don't like what's on TV!"

• On the free market: "Some people don't like competition because it makes them work harder, better. I'm competitive at everything. It's a natural driving force, a way of testing yourself, of measuring how you're doing. How can people not know that competition makes everything better?"

• On drug laws: "Liquor prohibition led to the rise of organized crime in America, and drug prohibition has led to the rise of the gang problems we have now."

• On government power: "P.J. O'Rourke once said the government has passed enough laws -- it should just stop. It oversteps its bounds so often. Giving it a little bit of power is like getting a little bit pregnant..."

• On freedom versus security: "I think a lot of people are afraid of freedom. They want their lives to be controlled, to be put into a box... People like that cradle-to-grave concept because it says you don't have to think too much, you don't have to worry too much, because someone else is looking out for you. But that also means you can't do as much as you want. Why should someone else put a limit on how much fun I can have; how much I can accomplish?"


Carey's career is a tribute to exactly how much -- in the Washington Post's classic description -- "a tubby dork in a crew cut and thick-rimmed glasses" can accomplish.

After a stint in the U.S. Marine Reserves (where he adopted his trademark crew cut), the Cleveland native spent several years doing stand-up comedy. He was catapulted to household-name status in 1995, thanks to his top-rated ABC sitcom, The Drew Carey Show. The program, which ran for nine years, starred Carey as a put-upon office worker in Cleveland, and combined standard blue-collar sitcom gags with innovative song-and-dance sequences. (And an occasional libertarian plug: On a January 15, 1997 show, Carey's character wore a Reason tee-shirt.) The Drew Carey Show won the comedian two People's Choice Awards.

In 1997, Carey published the best-selling book, Dirty Jokes and Beer: Stories of the Unrefined, which combined autobiography, short stories, an inside look at his TV show, and bawdy jokes.

Carey also hosted the comedy improvisational shows Whose Line Is it Anyway? (ABC, 1998-2004) and Drew Carey's Green Screen Show (The WB, 2004). In 2007, he took over as host of the popular syndicated game show, The Price Is Right.

Despite all the success, Carey's libertarian views haven't changed. In 1998, he engaged in an act of civil disobedience when he lit up a cigarette in a bar in California to protest the state's new anti-smoking law. "I don't think there should be a total ban," he told CNN. "It should be up to each bar owner and patron to decide if they want to smoke or not."

And in 2004, Carey penned an introduction to a Reason retrospective book, Choice: The Best of Reason. "We need a magazine like yours to help fight the stupid drug laws, the stupid immigration laws, and stupid big government in general," he wrote. "'Free Minds and Free Markets!' Right on, my man. Freedom!"

-- Bill Winter



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"I never thought I was a libertarian until I picked up Reason magazine and realized I agree with everything they had printed.." -- Drew Carey in Time (August 9, 2007)
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Posted: 02-01-08 20:15pm

backpain1955 wrote:
Of course smoking marijuana should not be legal for those with any illness since it has not been proven to be safe (a requirement of the FDA to approve any drug) . Marijuana is today just like cigarettes were in the 1950s...it is chic for everyone to be doing it, but just as with cigarettes in the 1950s it is assumed to be safe because the studies have not been done to prove long term safety. It has killed thousands if not tens of thousands of people from cancer, lung diseases, traffic fatalities, and drug culture crimes. It is a no-brainer for the FDA.


If I was dying of cancer I wouldnt give a rats ass about the FDA. Medical marijuana also administers the marijuana through a smokeless pipe. It cost about $300 for the apparatus and you can get the same effect as smoking it. It heats the marijuana to a temp that releases the thc but doesnt put harmfull smoke in your lungs. There are also pills availible. Or you could always bake up some brownies, yum! Its not harmfull in any of these forms. And the way the FDA works is total BS they do get kickbacks even if they dont make the advertisements as you say they are getting paid for passing the drugs.
Also the goverment makes more on fine's and arrest, probation, court cost ext. Than if they were to legalize it and just tax it. Just like they probably make more money on keeping alchohol legal, they can tax it and then arrest you for DUI, public intoxication, abuse,....
Marijuana doesnt cause those things so if they made it legal they would only get $$ from taxing it.
I think medical marijuana should be given to those in possibly terminal cases.
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Posted: 02-01-08 20:22pm

oOHeather, I couldn't have said it better...Thanks for taking my POLL!! Peace and Love,HomerX
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Posted: 02-01-08 21:15pm

Thanx heather!!! i did not know about the smokeless pipe-- how cool. Sorry, it was my error to infer that the fda did research-- they are the watchdogs for the research being done and of course the pharmaceutical companies are the ones doing the ads-- i had not had my coffee completely downed when i wrote that-- but they get kickbacks anyway. Some people think our govt and govt. agencies are doing a good job and looking out for our best interests. Bobbette
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