laser surgery for herniated disc Posted: 01-24-08 17:04pm
Ok I just wanted to share my story with
others who may be in a similar
predicament. I am not advocating laser
surgery over other methods; but simply
giving an account of my experiences. A
little bit about myself; my name is
Scott. I am a 33 year old male, 5'11"
tall, 173 pounds, and was an officer in
the Air Force up until six months ago.
Now I am a student pilot learning to fly
helicopters.
The first time I noticed any pain was
around early January '07 (although not
from any specific event that I am aware
of). When I would bend over to tie my
shoes I would get a flash of pain in my
back. Nothing too bad though and I didn't
think too much of it. After about two
months however the pain was still present
(but totally manageable). I talked to my
flight surgeon who concluded I had a
pulled muscle in my back and that it would
heal on it's own over time. I separated
from a Air Force about two months later
and continued doing the stretching and
exercises they had shown me but the pain
never went away.
In late September '07 I moved to Louisiana
to attend my flight school and my dad and
I moved all my things up to a second story
apartment. I believe this was the "straw"
that broke the camel's back. A few days
after moving in I began to experience
pain radiating down my left leg and the
pain in my back began to get much worse.
I talked to a doctor and he informed me
that I most likely had a herniated disc.
An MRI confirmed a herniation of the L4-L5
disc. I went to my local Veterans Affairs
office to see if I could get help seeing
as this was a preexisting condition before
I left the service. After dealing with
them for several weeks all I will say is
that the entire VA system is totally and
forever messed up beyond all help. At
this point I felt totally screwed. I do
not have medical insurance and by this
time my pain was so severe I couldn't
attend school anymore. The clinic doctor
told me I would need surgery because the
pain hadn't gone away after two months of
physical therapy. I started looking for a
cheaper alternative to traditional back
surgery (which would probably take up all
of my remaining school money) and settled
on trying laser spinal surgery at
Microspine located in the Florida
panhandle.
After scheduling my surgery with
Microspine I got a date that was about 7
weeks out. Most of this time waiting was
spent on my back at my parents house; I
had pretty much lost the ability to care
for myself at this point. Microspine
appointments work like this: It is a four
day procedure and costs 16,900.
Day One = In-processing and MRI/Xray
consulation. Dr. Mork examined me and
informed me that I did indeed have a
"moderately" herniated disc at the L4-L5.
I shudder to think what unthinkable agony
a person with a "severe" herniation would
have to endure.
Day Two = From what I saw it involved a
very uncomfortable day of poking and
prodding so that the doctors can fully
understand the extent of the problems.
However, I was informed by Dr. Mork on Day
One that studies of my MRI were totally
obvious as to what the problem was and
that diagnotic testing would not be
required in my case. This was an
unexpected bonus for me as it shaved about
3,300 dollars off my bill.
Day Three = Surgery Day! You get to put
on one of those goofy gowns and get an IV
stuck into your hand. Then they carted me
off to the operating room. So they tell
me that the sedation they are giving me
won't completely put me to sleep. I
suppose this is so you can talk to the
doctors during the procedure and inform
them of any progress/problems. For me,
when they injected that stuff into my IV,
I felt a burning sensation in my hand and
the next thing I remember was waking up in
the recovery room with my dad. I
immediately felt nauseous and the nurse
quickly gave me a shot of something into
my IV which made me feel a lot better
almost immediately. Later that night at
the hotel I wasn't feeling too good at
all. I woke up in the middle of the night
with my back just shrieking in pain. But
after taking two Oxycodones I felt much
better.
Day Four = Post surgery analysis. I was
still hurting a bit from the incision
although my leg pain was totally gone.
They gave me a epidural shot of something
through my tail bone and nearly all the
remaining pain went away. Jumped into
the car with my dad and drove six hours
home mostly pain free.
Within a week after the surgery almost all
my back pain I had before was gone so I
decided to stop taking the Oxycodone they
gave me. Here is a word of warning, DO
NOT stop taking your pain meds all at once
like I did. You will feel B-A-D.
Flu-like symptoms, total loss of appetite;
basically feels like someone took a
baseball bat and beat the hell out of you.
It is now been three weeks since the
surgery and my pain level is effectively
at zero. My total costs were around
13,600 dollars which is far less than any
other company was able to quote me. I am
totally satisfied with my outcome and if
this blasted rain will stop I can get back
to flying tomorrow. Sorry if this is a
long read. If anyone has any questions
please email or post a question here...
Scott
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algosdoc
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Posted: 01-25-08 06:12am
Just to give you a comparison cost: the
same procedure in Germany costs $150.
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RichT
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Posted: 01-25-08 09:20am
Hello Scott,
Thanks so very much for sharing, and all
the detail you provided. Your post is
most important for all who post here or
just "visit". Each experience a person
has helps others along their path.
It was GREAT to read that your surgery and
recovery has been successful.
WONDERFUL!!!!! I hope in time you will be
able to return to your "life".
Yes, I would agree, that your costs at
Microspine were about half of what they
may have been at the other two major laser
spine institutes in Florida.
About the cost of the procedure only being
$150 in Germay. There is more to it than
that. That may be the cost for a German
citizen, but I doubt that would be the
cost for a non-citizen. In Germany they
have socialized medicine. For the
majority of medical things there is no
cost from my understanding (having good
friends in Germany).
RichT
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algosdoc
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Posted: 01-25-08 10:10am
Correct....that is the cost for German
citizens. Americans are getting massively
overcharged for medical care.
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scottchambers60
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Posted: 01-25-08 18:29pm
algosdoc
wrote:
Correct....that is the cost
for German citizens. Americans are
getting massively overcharged for medical
care.
It's unfortunate that there are so many
Americans that have no medical coverage.
I've heard arguments for both sides
concerning a "Nationalized" health care
system. All I can say is some health care
is better than no health care. As a
student pilot I have no employer health
care benefits and the cost of third party
coverage would require money I simply
don't have...
Scott
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RichT
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Posted: 01-25-08 18:57pm
Hello Scott,
You bring up some very valid points.
The U.S. system is a disaster!!! BIG
TIME.
No way should some have good medicale
coverage, and many others have none.
I have read enough from people in other
countries who have a national health care
system - WELLLllll sort of. I have not
come across one national health care
systen in which I would want to
participate in. Want to wait a YEAR to
have a MRI? Want to be in a position
where your GP/PCP "controls" the care you
have access to (like when and who you can
see regading a specialist? Where those
who have money can have excellent health
care and the rest of the population gets
what is left over?
Not this guy!!!!!! not MY family!!!!!
I have no complaints regarding the health
care coverage for my wife and myself.
Yes, the premiums are very high. HOWEVER,
54+ million Americans without any helath
care coverage is a disgrace. There has to
be a better way.
Unfortunately, to my knowledge only one
presidential candidatte has NOT been
bought off by the lobbyiests and big
business. For some reason the majority of
Americans don't seem to "get it". The
ONLY candidate who has not accepted money
from lobbies or big business is Sen. John
Edwards. HE is the ONLY ONE who can truly
change our current mess in health care in
my opinion.
Okay, sorry to get a bit off topic,
however, I AM concerned just as you are
about the "broke" system we currently
have.
RichT
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tjh299
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scottchambers60 Posted: 03-29-08 20:18pm
just a quick note, to ask how you are
doing now from your surgery? good i hope.
and with god's blessing you proceed on a
good track. my spouse went to a laser
place in florida back in nov 07 and was
pain free for 7 weeks, then went back to
work, for the expense of surgery and bills
piling up. he wouldn't stay home any
longer. but is back in the same pain as
before the surgery. he had more levels
wrong with him than you, not to say that
yours wasn't bad; i didn't mean to imply
that his was worse than yours, but they
are saying that maybe he needs another
surgery, since they only work on one level
at a time. boy it sure is costly. does
anyone know of any free grant programs for
excessive medical bills not covered by
insurance company's? would appreciate amy
info. was just curious how old you are
andhow quick did you go back to work and
what is your profession? thanks for
your reply amry
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scottchambers60
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Posted: 04-02-08 02:34am
Hello TJ. I am sorry to hear that your
husband is having a difficult time.
Having lived nearly a year with horrible
back pain I know it's something that no
one should ever have to endure. It has
been over 2 months for me since my surgery
and I've had no recurrence of back pain.
Sometimes when I wake up in the morning I
can feel the faintest dull ache in my
back/leg but it goes away as soon as I get
up. I consider myself rather lucky in
that everything seemed to go well for me.
A little about myself; I am 33 years old
and recently separated from the Air Force
and I'm now learning to fly helicopters
down in Louisiana. I'm sorry but I don't
know of any medical programs that can help
you out with the finances. Being a
student I don't have any medical coverage
either. After shelling out 14k for my
back surgery I'm not even sure I will be
able to finish school now. Time will tell
I guess. I'm sorry I can't be more help.
Hang in there!
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tjh299
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scottchambers60 Posted: 04-02-08 19:49pm
Glad to hear a reply from you and to hear
you are doing well, that's great. can i
ask do you have any pain when you do very
physical work or have you avoided doing
any for now? I'm not sure if i said in my
earlier post that my husband is an
electrician and does very physical work
daily. does anything aggrevate you back or
legs? I see that you went to microspine
and they were wonderful to you. did they
say if they would charge, if you didn't
get good results the first time around and
had to come back again? Are you married
and has your back problem put a strain on
your social life and did you quit doing
things that you liked? My husband takes
pain meds to try and get thru the day, but
most of the time they don't help either.
When he gets home it's about all he can do
just to shower and eat dinner. He doesn't
feel like going anywhere; because his legs
hurt to bad to walk much and he is usually
exhausted. This has been for 7 years come
May. Our lives have changed alot and he
just wants to be normal again, if there is
such a thing. Did you see any doctors that
told you that your pain was in your mind?
This one doctor came highly recommended
and that is what he told my spouse, boy it
was very depressing. thinking he is going
to someone good and then be then be told
that. We have seen about 22 people in the
last 7 years. Neuro, ortho surgeon,
rhuematologist, accupuncturist,
accupressurist,physical therapists (3)
times,did water aquatics,decompression
treatments, nuecleoplasty procedure,
injections, nerve blocks, chiropractors,
bought a back bubble, inversion table,
ultrasound machine and many other
treatments too. boy have we spent the
money and the doctors say there isn't
anything they can do for him. and he isn't
one to go to the doctor for anything. in
fact this is the only time except for a
cold or flu. and we have been married 28
years. well enough about us, but it feels
good to talk to someone. i hope you keep
progressing well, and may the good lord be
with you thru out life. I feel i have a
connection with people that have back
problems even if i don't know them
personally. write back soon. Have A Great
Day!!!!!!!!!!!! Mary
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scottchambers60
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Posted: 04-03-08 02:13am
Having dealt with my herniated disc for
only a year I find it inconceivable that
anyone would be able to endure it for
seven years. I am not married but I am
thankful that my parents were there to
support me during those last three months
before the surgery. Also, I am not by any
stretch of the imagination a physical
person. The most demanding labor I do is
performing my preflight inspection on my
helicopter everyday before flight.
I share your husbands dislike of hospitals
and I'm still kicking myself for not
following up the the doctors more
aggressively before separating from the
Air Force. I can also understand your
frustration with the many doctors that
can't help. I myself originally tried
physical therapy first which only made my
pain worse (IMO). Finally I saw a doctor
at a clinic who told me that the pain
wasn't going to fix itself and that
surgery was my only option. Once I made
up my mind to get the surgery it was just
a matter of researching the Laser
Institutes and finding the cheapest one
that was withing driving distance for me.
At 13,600 Microspine was by far the
cheapest. Laser Spine Institute quoted me
30,000.
During the course of my "adventure" I
discovered a few things that still bother
me. First, my doctors kept using the
phrase "Patient has some discomfort in
lower back". Let's be clear; what I had
was not discomfort, it was searing agony.
Second, I feel my blood pressure spike
whenever I hear someone mention pain
management. Thats just another way of
saying you're screwed and you'll just have
to live with it. And lastly, I think my
original doctors were just giving me
painkillers and hoping the problem went
away (after having the pain for more than
7 months). Sure, Oxycodone will make the
pain go away, but it also means you get to
walk around like a perpetual zombie. Also
no one mentioned anything about a phased
reduction of painkillers. After my
surgery I just took them everyday whether
I was in pain or not (as they instructed
me to do) until I ran out. The two weeks
after I stopped were a living hell from
the withdrawal.
Keep up the fight and someday you'll win.
Good luck and keep us posted on any
ongoing status changes...
Scott
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bmarv99
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microspine Posted: 08-07-08 00:20am
is microspine in defuniak springs a real
fix for pain?i have surgery coming up
there in a month, my insurance wll pay for
it, total cost to me about 200 bucks is it
worth it?
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Posted: 08-07-08 00:27am
Interesting...I learned a while back that
my mom was suffering from a herniated
disk...I remember one day walking in while
she was getting dressed and seeing her in
tears just lying on the bed...my mother
NEVER cries...so it was hard to see that
bc I knew she must have really been in
pain...shes been going to the chiropractor
as well as getting acupuncture done...I
haven't heard her complain of it too much
since that one time but she does have a
high tolerance of pain...i dont think
she'd ever go into surgery for this(unless
it was really needed) but I believe shes
doing better as of now..though this isn't
something that will just go away