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bigjonny

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Creatine
Posted: 04-27-04 10:05am

Hello I was wondering if creatine is ok for me to take. I play football and basketball and im trying to get bigger and gain weight and I work out all the time but I need some more help and seeing if creatine is ok and wont ruin my health. Does it help you jump higher too? And is it worth the buy
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southcoach

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Posted: 07-14-04 16:39pm

Creatine is okay for you to take if you take it correctly. However, it works more for some people and less for others...After all everybody responds differently to things so no promises. Creatine is designed to replace lost phosphate molecules used in producing atp (energy). In other words, it gives you a little boost of energy to improve your endurance in exercise allowing you to run faster, lift more, etc. If your goal is to gain size, while it may do this, I warn you that when you stop taking it you may yet again get smaller due to the fact that the large bulk of weight you gain is due to water retention. If bulking is your goal, rather than performance, then I suggest a diet change and increase in calories. Creatine is more for performance. Hope I helped-any more questions lemme know.
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eric16

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Posted: 07-27-04 16:43pm

You shouldnt need creatine if you have a good workout and are lifting weights properly to gain muscle mass. What is your workout? How many sets/reps do you do? If you need help with a workout I know good ones for building muscle mass.
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miller2190

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Posted: 08-04-04 22:12pm

I heard creatine is really bad for you
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eric16

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Posted: 08-04-04 22:15pm

miller2190 wrote:
i heard creatine is really bad for you


its not if you take it correctly and responsibly.
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miller2190

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Posted: 08-04-04 22:38pm

I see, and bogjonny, ive never taken any kind of energy or protien/ muscle building vitamens and suppliments, and im huge! You dont need that stuff.
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eric16

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Posted: 08-04-04 22:45pm

eric16 wrote:
you shouldnt need creatine if you have a good workout and are lifting weights properly to gain muscle mass. What is your workout? How many sets/reps do you do? If you need help with a workout I know good ones for building muscle mass.

again read bigjhonny
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miller2190

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Posted: 08-04-04 23:06pm

Hey eric, if I want to get stronger, is it better to life more reps with less weight, or less reps with more weight?


Or is it good to build gradually? This is what my workout was like:
i usually did 10 reps of 135, 6 or 7 of 145, 3 or 4 of 155, 1 or 2 of 165, then 1 of 175, and 1 of 185

weight wise, what would you say is the best way to bench?
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eric16

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Posted: 08-04-04 23:38pm

miller2190 wrote:
hey eric, if I want to get stronger, is it better to life more reps with less weight, or less reps with more weight?



Or is it good to build gradually? This is what my workout was like:
i usually did 10 reps of 135, 6 or 7 of 145, 3 or 4 of 155, 1 or 2 of 165, then 1 of 175, and 1 of 185

weight wise, what would you say is the best way to bench?


ligt weight and a lot of reps will do nothing. Go with low reps and heavy weight to build muscle.

What you did was pyramid your weights. Usually they are in 4 set. A pyramid is where you lower your reps as you increase your weight. A tipical pyramid is 4 sets -12, 10 ,8. 6. As you go lower in reps you up your weight. This is very effective way to lift. Now in order to gain the muscle you must use a pyramid efffective. On your last set, which would be 6 reps, make it so your last rep is to faliure. Dont bother with light weight and high reps, you will not see improvment.
Pyramid-
12 reps- acts like a warm up. Should be able to easily do this, but feel omething
10-reps- start to get into it. Could do 12 -14 reps if you felt like it
8 reps- you could do 9 or 10 if you pushed yourself
6 reps- the last rep should be faliure

sounds like you need a good workout to. In order to see any gains you need the big 3. This is squat, deadlift, and bench. Without these in your workout you will not see gains. Including those you need isolation excersies such as the bicep curl for example.

A good workout that I do is a 5 day split. This is training one body part a day. My split looks like this
monday-chest
tuesday-back
wednesday-off
thursday-legs
friday-arms
saturday-shoulders
sunday-off

now for big muscle groups such as chest, back, legs you need 5-6 excersies for each. For shoulders about 4-5. Arms break down ito 3 bodyparts. You have the tricep whichis the most important muscle in the arm. Build your tricep to get a big arm. Then there is the bicep and forearm. You need about 3 excercises for each of those.

If you need some excercies then go ahead and ask. I will be glad to post something what I did that was very effective.
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2ferano

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Posted: 08-14-04 14:24pm

Omg! I knew you would say that! It is common knowledge that it is better for you to lift low weight with a lot of reps! High weight and low reps is no good! Goodness eric please stop giving your "advice" on this site. You are going to have people out there hurting themselves. My physical therapist and doctor both told me this, so you can come back with all of the arguments that you want eric, but it won't work.
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eric16

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Posted: 08-14-04 16:17pm

High reps and low weight doesnt build strenght and muscle mass. It builds muscle endurence, which in this case is not what is wanted. Muscle endurence, I think, is usless. I have lifted like this and have seen amazing results as have many others. Bodybuilders do this. Any fitness trainer will tell you in order to gain muscle mass and strenght you need to lift big.
You wont hurt yourself if you are smart about it and start of slow and easy until you get used to it. I know exactly what I am talking about. This is what I know best. You have no points that argue that your view is better, so that shows you dont know but what your docter said. Your docter said this because you would be new to lifting, and he would want you to start off light to learn the techniques

miller trust me on this. I am highly experinenced in this and know what I am saying. This is what I know best. Just be sure you learn all the proper lifting techniques and take it easy the first couple weeks untill you get the feeling of things. Dont just jump right into this program. Easily up the weight and slowly work your way in and you will be fine.
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2ferano

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Posted: 08-14-04 17:47pm

This is what my doctor told me because I am new to lifting? I have been lifting for over ten years! Whatever. Yeah, if you want to be a no-neck with big muscles that are absolutely useless and end up with injuries from lifting too much, then follow eric's advice. But if you want to look good, have endurance and strength (which is the whole point of lifting) then trust the experts.
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eric16

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:02pm

You are providing nothing to back up your theory. You have no idea what you are talking about. You need to lift heavy and make your muscles work in order to gain strenght and muscle mass. His question was to gain strenght. Well low weight wont do that at all. It will build endurence which will not give you anything. Its a waste and will give your muscles tone over the years at the most, if anything.

You have no idea what you are saying. Dont post information if it is false! Lifting weight will not give you injuries. If you read my earlier post I told miller to start out slow and learn the proper lifting techniques. If this is done and he knows how to lift properly and fuel is body with proper nutritions then this will in no way cause injurious at all. It will help with medical problems in the future and help with a his body image.

My ideas and and programs work. This is very effective and will not cause any problems if you learn to lift properly, start slow and learn to fuel your body correctly. You will by no means injur yourself if you follow my advice. It has worked for many people including myself.

If you think I am trying to be mean I really am not. I am sorry if I post my information harshly so dont take it personally. Its just what I do.
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2ferano

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:04pm

Don't tell me to not post information that isn't correct! You are the one who is posting incorrect information!
Lifting excessive weight will make you big, yes. But that is it. I do know what I am talking about, so don't insult me. If he wants to be a worthless no-neck then okay he can do it your way. But if he wants to gain strength, look good etc (as I stated before) then he needs to lift lower weights with more reps. Look it up!
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eric16

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:15pm

Sorry but you wont gain weight fiddiling around with a pink dumbell curling it 100 times. In order to gain strenght and muscle you need to lift heavy. This is very effective and will get you stong and look good. You wont be bulging with muscles when you lift heavy. That all depends on heredity, genetics etc...

Read my last statement in my previous posts. Stop gettng defensive, its just my way of posting.
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2ferano

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:24pm

I am not getting defensive, but you are really starting to make me mad. I am not going to keep repeating myself. However, one more time for the kids, if he wants to build strength, look good, etc, then he needs to lift a decent weight with many reps. Not five pounds with 100 reps, but not 350 lbs with 2 reps. I am done, so please stop freakin telling me I am wrong.
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eric16

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:30pm

If you read, then I said the lowest amount of reps should be 6.How about instead of just saying that low weight is the best, explain why. All you have stated is that low weight and lots of reps is best. You have given no information to back this theory up.
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2ferano

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:39pm

Because, lower weight and higher reps builds strength and endurance. Plus it gives you the "cut" look. High weight and few reps (even six) just makes your muscles big and bulky, but you really aren't very strong at all. And when people use this method (even though you say to start slow etc.) they tend to overdo it and hurt themselves.
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eric16

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:48pm

High weight, if done correctly will not injure you. It just creates bulkl? Sorry but that is false as well. Many professional bodybuilders and personal trainers use this method and they are very stong. Professional athletes lift like this. Your largness of muscles is based the person and heridity etc..
It doesnt get you cut. What gets you cut, is to bulk up and get muscle, then diet the fat that was gained during this.
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2ferano

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Posted: 08-14-04 18:52pm

Nuh uh. Light weight with many reps will get you cut! I swear!
What is creatine?
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