lucy315
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Protesters raising money?
Posted: 01-22-08 02:31am
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Hi all! I know I don't post much, but I
check in everyday. I guess I'm what you
could call a "lurker".  Anyway, I'm not
sure if this has been posted before. I
looked back a few pages and didn't see
anything about it. If so, my apologies.
The Planned Parenthood near my area is
doing something called "pledge-a-picket".
It's where people can donate money to
Planned Parenthood on behalf of the
protesters outside of the clinic.
Apparently, since this clinic is the only
one for miles, many pro-lifers gather
there. There are restaurants directly
across the street, and the owners are
losing money because of the crowds, the
shouting, and the gory pictures they show
on their signs. Some of the protesters
have become violent, and have been known
to block the doors of the clinic from
patients as well. Many of the young
protesters are local college students.
Supposedly, certain teachers give their
students extra credit if they protest on
the weekends! (I personally think this is
ridiculous)
I saw this on the news in my area tonight.
I guess with the anniversary of Roe vs
Wade, they are expecting more then usual.
Although from the way they were talking,
this is not the first Planned Parenthood
to do the "pledge-a-picket". So far in my
area, they have raised over $1,200. Here
is a link to the center's
"pledge-a-picket" banner:
http://www.ppnep.org/PAP%2
0Banner.htm
Just wondering what you all thought of
this.
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sistersister
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Posted: 01-22-08 10:46am
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We have done this in the past along with
people pledgeing so much per cross they
put up. It is a great fund raiser. The
money goes to funds that pay for abortions
for those that do not have the funds to
pay themself.
Personally I like the idea of the anti
choicers being part of the means for which
a woman is able to exersize her
reproductive choice.
On another debate forum there is a anti
choicer that I have for several years
donated money each time she is disgusting.
So far she has paid for several first
trimester abortions, many meals for those
who are having the three day procedure and
several cab fares for patients.
As the saying goes if you are handed
lemons make lemonade.
To all of you who are pro-choice Happy
Aniversery, and many many more to come.
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Posted: 01-22-08 11:36am
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It's become a popular method of combating
the harassment of "prolife" protestors.
The irony is delicious. For every woman
they terrorize, every motorist they
threaten to distract and every child
exposed to their propaganda, more money
goes to help the women whose bodily
freedom they wish to restrict. It's
better than counter-protests in my eyes.
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yodavater
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Re: Protesters raising money?
Posted: 01-24-08 13:04pm
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| lucy315
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Some of the protesters have become
violent, and have been known to block the
doors of the clinic from patients as well.
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Got any police reports? You do know it's
a federal crime to do that, don't you?
Have you filed any police reports
yourself?
| lucy315
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Supposedly, certain teachers give their
students extra credit if they protest on
the weekends!
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I'm glad you said "supposedly", because
that indicates that it's no more than a
rumor, right?
| lucy315
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Just wondering what you all thought of
this. |
It's kind of like carrying coals to
Newcastle, actually..... since PP is
already awash in hundreds of millions of
"excess revenue", according to their own
reports. But, it's your money.......
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lucy315
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Re: Protesters raising money?
Posted: 01-24-08 13:53pm
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| yodavater
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Got any police reports? You do know it's
a federal crime to do that, don't you?
Have you filed any police reports
yourself? |
Although I have driven by this clinic
before, and have seen the protesters, I
have never actually "been" there. So, I
have no idea if any police reports have
been filed, and I have never filed one
myself.
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I'm glad you said "supposedly", because
that indicates that it's no more than a
rumor, right? |
This was on the news in my area. I got
the information from the report they did
and the interviews they showed on TV.
They did interview both sides. I have no
idea if it is actually true, but it's not
the first time I have heard of this.
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yodavater
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Re: Protesters raising money?
Posted: 01-24-08 13:57pm
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[quote="lucy315"]
I have never actually "been" there. So, I
have no idea if any police reports have
been filed, and I have never filed one
myself. [/q]
So it's all second or third hand, right?
| lucy315
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I have no idea if it is actually true, but
it's not the first time I have heard of
this. |
I'm sure you know that hearing something
more than once is not considered "proof".
Thank you.
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lucy315
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Re: Protesters raising money?
Posted: 01-24-08 14:13pm
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[quote="yodavater"] | lucy315
wrote: |
I have never actually "been" there. So, I
have no idea if any police reports have
been filed, and I have never filed one
myself. [/q]
So it's all second or third hand, right?
| lucy315
wrote: |
I have no idea if it is actually true, but
it's not the first time I have heard of
this. |
I'm sure you know that hearing something
more than once is not considered "proof".
Thank you. |
Thats exactly why I put "supposedly".
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sistersister
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Posted: 01-24-08 14:20pm
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Stats 1977 to 2000
Overal stats on clinic violence
contributed to and compiled by the
National Abortion Federation. (this is
from clinics like the one I work at where
we record and send in all the data on
police call arrests and acts of
vandalism.
7 murders
17 attempted murders (my boss being the
target of one of these)
40 bombings (two of which were of a clinic
in San Diego in which I saw the damage,
and one in the clinic where I work now)
163 arsons
80 attempted bombings or arson attacks
368 invasions
882 incidents of vadalism
115 incidents of assualt and battery
332 death threats
3 kidnnapings
60 burglaries
420 incidents of stalking
8,246 harassing phone calls and recieved
pieces of hate mail
526 bomb threats
and a total of 33,830 arrests at clinics
I can list these individually with their
related details if yodavater would like.
I can also do the same for the available
data from 200 to 2007.
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Posted: 01-24-08 15:18pm
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7 murders? I thought that would be
higher.. Even though 1 is terrible.. I
figured with all the stuff you hear about
radical protesters it would be more..
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Posted: 01-24-08 15:25pm
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The rest of the horrible things they've
done isn't radical enough? They need to
homicide more people before it becomes a
"real" problem?
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Posted: 01-24-08 15:26pm
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This is getting real old. Either just
delete the entire post or leave it up so
we know what it is. I'm tired of seeing
this message and wondering what was posted
that was soooooooooooooo terrible.
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Posted: 01-24-08 15:52pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | The rest of the horrible
things they've done isn't radical enough?
They need to homicide more people before
it becomes a "real"
problem? |
not at all. I just thought it would be
higher than it was.. People do stupid
things all the time and over the amount of
years I thought the death rate would be
higher.
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Posted: 01-24-08 15:53pm
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| msrosie
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This is getting real old. Either just
delete the entire post or leave it up so
we know what it is. I'm tired of seeing
this message and wondering what was posted
that was soooooooooooooo
terrible. |
It's done so that people don't have to be
offended. It will stay like that unti one
of the admins looks at it.
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sistersister
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Posted: 01-24-08 16:36pm
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If the attempted ones, such as my boss
being shot point blank by shelly shannon
(she was aiming at his head the only
reason she was not sucessful is he threw
his arms up and the shots were deflected
when she hit the bone in his arm) there
would have been 24 murders. would that
have made it more serious?
One would have been too many. The fact
that there have been seven assasinations
speaks volumes about the movement and its
tactics.
all you have to do is read the justifiable
homicide document see who signed it and
then see who turns out as fully excepted
members of groups that mouth that they do
not endorse the violence.
The fact is that there has been a
consistant attempt up to the present to
intimidate the clinics by assasination,
arson, vandalism and harrassment. We can
only hope that there will be no more
murders of Doctors and escorts and
receptionists by the prolife movement to
prove how prolife they are.
At any rate the stats are the stats. If
this was any other political group it
would be considered violent based on its
recent past history and tactics.
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Posted: 01-27-08 15:08pm
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| sistersister
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I can list these individually with their
related details if yodavater would like.
I can also do the same for the available
data from 200 to
2007. |
I'm sure you can, and I'm sure it would be
from a prochoice source. There is a
prolife source that lists violence done
against prolifers by prochoicers also:
http://www.abortionviolence.com
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Posted: 01-27-08 15:10pm
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not at all. I just thought it would be
higher than it was.. People do stupid
things all the time and over the amount of
years I thought the death rate would be
higher. |
Seven compared to 45 million is quite a
disparity, isn't it?
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Posted: 01-27-08 15:56pm
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Abortion is not homicide so the two are
not comparable. Apples to oranges.
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Posted: 01-27-08 17:44pm
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| yodavater
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not at all. I just thought it would be
higher than it was.. People do stupid
things all the time and over the amount of
years I thought the death rate would be
higher. |
Seven compared to 45 million is quite a
disparity, isn't
it? |
yep! 7 compared to the millions of unborn
humans is not very much is it?
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Posted: 01-27-08 17:57pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | yodavater
wrote: | | meblonde01
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not at all. I just thought it would be
higher than it was.. People do stupid
things all the time and over the amount of
years I thought the death rate would be
higher. |
Seven compared to 45 million is quite a
disparity, isn't
it? |
yep! 7 compared to the millions of unborn
humans is not very much is it? |
Still playing semantics without science I
see ... That was 7 ... PEOPLE...to
whatever number of nonsentient
embyro's..aka .. Not people.
So yes the greater crime is in the
homicide of actual real living post birth
people.
Why don't you consider those murders a
crime Blonde?
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Posted: 01-27-08 18:01pm
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| Jincks013
wrote: | | meblonde01
wrote: | | yodavater
wrote: | | meblonde01
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not at all. I just thought it would be
higher than it was.. People do stupid
things all the time and over the amount of
years I thought the death rate would be
higher. |
Seven compared to 45 million is quite a
disparity, isn't
it? |
yep! 7 compared to the millions of unborn
humans is not very much is it? |
Still playing semantics without science I
see ... That was 7 ... PEOPLE...to
whatever number of nonsentient
embyro's..aka .. Not people.
So yes the greater crime is in the
homicide of actual real living post birth
people.
Why don't you consider those murders a
crime Blonde? |
I do.. but I also consider the ones you
don't.  read back Jincks to
what I said about any one of them being
~killed~
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