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Your just evading the question!

What is more important in the 9/11 debate - loss of human life or another persons choice?

What 9/11 debate? What does that have to do with abortion? Was the whole thing actually masterminded by some anti-abortionists to get mur der some abortion provider who was there visiting his stockbroker?

Why wont you just answer the question?

Because I think you are being silly and irrelevant. Your analogy is pathetic.

I just think its because

if you say human life I would say then for the same reasons human life is most important in the abortion debate

and if you say

another persons choice you and pro choice will look like terrorists.

So when they counted how many people died, how many fetuses were in that total?

I dont even know the total!

But what has that got to do with it are you trying to say we dont count fetus' as human beings or fetus' are of less value.

If a fetus is a human being(biological fact) then it can not be less human than we are, therefore it is of the same value as any other person.

That is a very nice sentiment for you to have.
But it doesn't change the fact that it is up to a woman to make that decision when necessary.

Agian we are back on to the law argument - not every law is a good law.

Do you not regard all human beings of the same worth?

Of course not!
And I do not regard fetuses as people, human beings, whatever term you want to use. Neither does the law, and neither has society through most of history, or have most religions.

So what if I said black people are not worth as much as white people law told us so, society told us so, historicaly its told us so and religiously it told us so.

Racist? Or just pro choice about lynching and slavery?

What if I said jews were not worth as much as anyone else, laws have told us so, societies have told and are still telling us so history has told us so and most deffinatly religiously it tells us so

anti semite? Or just pro choice about the holocaust?

Through out history, oppresion and attrocities have been deffended by the use of the term choice, laws and religions. Abortion is no different it is an attrocity on the unborn human being.

That is your opinion but that doesn't make it wrong, it's just that it is no more right than anyone else's view.

"it is no more right than anyone else's view"

who said that - adolf hitler?

Nuremberg trials

judge: "the jewish are human beings innocent law abiding citizens to kill them is murder"

adolf hitler: "that is your opinion but that doesn't make it wrong, it's just that it is no more right than anyone else's view"

imagine if that was his excuse for the holocaust.

He would have been laughed at and put in an insaine asylum by proving himself mad.

You are of the view that aborting fetuses is the same as kil ling a living human being. But there is no reasonable justification for that opinion. There are also people out there who think that stepping on ants is morally wrong, that killing cows is as bad as mur der. There are even extreme vegetarians -- vegans --, who think it is wrong to kill plants to eat them! Personally, I think it is morally wrong to keep animals in inhumane conditions for the purpose of eating them. So I don't buy any battery-farmed poultry, or meat from countries where they have poor standards of animal welfare.

Your analogies are too extreme to make sense -- they only work on people who already agree with you!

Like I have shown - biologicaly like you, a fetus is a living human being if you dont like that fact then thats up to you and at the moment the law is on your side - so why worry what I say!

Good point, why worry?

Sami I think you've made it clear only for yourself. ... I think .. Therefore it is. ...

I thought it was - I think therefore I am. But that is a philosopical quote! Not a scientific fact!

You are misunderstanding jesse. She is explaining that you seem to think that if you, i.E. You sami, think something, then it is.

Just out of curiosity, what else do you consider a scientific fact? Just so we know what the parameters are.

Ha ha, whats funny is that no one even agrees what a fact is!
Definitions of fact on the web:

a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case"
www.Cogsci.Princeton.Edu/cgi-bin/webwn


a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts"
www.Cogsci.Princeton.Edu/cgi-bin/webwn


an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"
www.Cogsci.Princeton.Edu/cgi-bin/webwn


a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are not facts"
www.Cogsci.Princeton.Edu/cgi-bin/webwn


a statement or piece of information that is true or a real occurrence.
Www.Iteawww.Org/taa/glossary.Htm


(n.) in the context of logic programming, a fact is a horn clause with a head but no body.
Wotug.Ukc.Ac.Uk/parallel/acronyms/hpccglos s/all.Html


something that is known to have happened or to be true or to exist
www.Colorado.Edu/geography/virtdept/module /gsl/gslglossary.Html


a statement about the relationship between objects.
Www.Pcai.Com/web/glossary/pcai_p_s_glossar y.Html


numeric data that is the core of what is being analyzed.
Www.Microsoft.Com/technet/prodtechnol/sql/ reskit/sql7res/part12/sqcglo.Asp


a relationship held between two or more entities
www.Itl.Nist.Gov/iaui/894.02/related_proje cts/muc/info/definitions.Html


an indisputable truth.
Www.Carm.Org/atheism/terms.Htm


that which is known to be true on the basis of observation.
Highered.Mcgraw-hill.Com/sites/0072400773/ student_view0/glossary.Html


an indisputable truth.
Www.Carm.Net/atheism/terms.Htm


a fact is an expression which represents a true statement in the current world state.
Www.Laas.Fr/~felix/dekartes/propice-doc/no de224.Html


a claim that is either true or for which there is excellent evidence or justification. Sometimes “fact” is used for the circumstances asserted by such a claim, as when we say that a claim “states a fact.” this means only that the claim is true or that there is excellent evidence or justification for it.
Www.Mhhe.Com/mayfieldpub/ct/ch01/glossary. Htm