Although I don't know about a baby feeling pain in the womb, it's been proven that babies cannot hear voices outside the womb until about 34 weeks gestation. And since abortions are illegal past 12 weeks, I don't believe the baby could hear it's mother's voice saying this, especially since it's ears aren't even fully developed and functional yet. And babies can hear, but they don't understand what they are hearing. That would be like saying you have a really good friend, best friend even, from another country. And you two are as close as brothers.....Yet when he speaks in his native language you automatically understand??? I don't think so. Now I am anti-abortion but my god you have to be the biggest fool I have ever conversed with.

No, I think that you will find that I have my facts right. I am a man who only ever lends an opinion when I know that I am 100% correct, and in this case I am.



gordon drivelbottom has spoken

Chrissy-im saddened to say that there's actually no legal limit to abortion & women can have them up to 9months (obviously this is restricted to medical reasons for mother & baby) some women have to even give birth to the baby

Thats exactly what i've been trying to tell them, but will they listen? No.

Hmmmm.....Here in florida its illegal past 12 weeks.....No wait 14 my bad....That what the doc told me.

I don't doubt that a baby can feel, the nerves are there, and that is what gives feelings. But a baby can not hear untill later in the pregnancy. So I disagree that a baby can hear its getting aborted, and fearing what is coming. And as for a baby understanding, that is only a personal belief. The brian is not developed enough to understand what anyone is saying to them, not even after they are born. The brain continues to develop 18 months after the babys is born. This is why they are compleatly helpless at birth.

Gordon, you are not 100% right. You are not even close.
Maybe where you and sparkly are you can have an abortion up to nine months, but you cannot here, so your facts obviosly are not right.
And a baby cannot understand what is being said when in the womb. That is just stupid. I am sure they can "feel" it which is not a good thing, but they cannot understand words. If they could, they would just come out talking up a storm!
And I just love how you assume that all women who have had an abortion have multiple ones. You are so misinformed. It is so funny when you tell people that they are wrong and you "are a man and only lend my opinion when I am 100% right"
who has been lying to you?

From my topic - just the facts: life

eighteen weeks: though still a lightweight at only 7 to 8 oz (6 inches long) this baby is now complete needing only nourishment, warmth and growth. In fact infants as young as 5 months have been able to survive premiture births. Mother begins to feel fluttering kicks and movments from her little one now. **** there is evidence the baby hears outside noise - music, traffic, t.V, people talking and of course his favorate sound his mothers voice****

gordon is 100% correct the baby can here inside the womb and does infact feel pain!

It is also thought the baby feels emotion and understands the mother

So what does the ability to feel pain signify?

Animals feel pain -- so the "feel pain" argument only works if you are a vegan.

It also works if you believe in human rights

No, it doesn't really -- unless you say that all human pain is bad, but no animal pain matters. Personally, I think it is much worse to cause pain to a living, emotionally aware animal than to a bunch of cells a few days, weeks or months old.

Please read my topic - just the facts: life

Yes, I read that. A three month old foetus is actually quite disgusting looking, rather like an alien life form in a bad science fiction movie. It can feel pain? So what? Why is that more important than the feelings of animals in laboratories used for experimentation? Or animals terrified in abbatoirs? Or that people who are convicted of animal cruelty, beating or starving or torturing cats and dogs, get a tiny fine and a slap on the wrist?

What is most valuable to you may not be of the same valuable to most people. So I leave it at this...

Good people reading the thread, read the posts and decide for yourself which is of more value

1 a living human being who can feel pain think probably understand or

2. An animal who can feel pain think and probably understand

My facts are right where i'm from hotasfrick!!

Thats right sparkly - give it to him!

Slugfest!

Yes a human will normally come first before a child, but if animals wernt anything to worry about, then why is it that people get fines, and even jail time for niglect and such? Because just like a human, that animal can feel, and understand. And with cats and dogs (and I am sure other animals) they are able to hate and love. Just because they don't walk on two feet, and speak how we understand does not make them any less of a concern! I know this forum is for abortions, but I really have to give my two cents on this little matter. When you take an animal in, it is a life commitment! By law, if you feed that animal, you are then responsible for anything that animal does, or for whatever it needs. Gets sick? You are required to take it to a doc, hungry? Feed it! See someone hitting an animal? Report it. When an animal is found not just dead, but killed, an investigation is set up to find out who did it! Now with a human, don't all of these aply as well?? So the good point was made, if it is not ok to abort a baby (for the right reasons!!!) then no it is no way in hell ok to put an animal to sleep just because someone doesn't want to deal with the problem it is going to have, or for that animal to be experamented on!

So to say humans are more important then animals makes you pretty heartless, considering those animals too are dependent on humans.

I havn't had my baby yet, but I already love this baby like crazy!! I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I lose this baby! But guess what, I have cats too, and if something were to happen to them, and I lose them, I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Love isn't just for human kind! Its for all life!

That is fine and dandy sparkly, but it is not correct for where we are so you cannot tell chrissy that she is wrong.
And samie, gordon is not 100% right because he said that a baby understands what the mother is saying and no, it does not. So, maybe you should read whole posts before saying that a a complete fool like gordon is correct.
And coming from someone who has had an abortion you sure are being awfully prolife.