Humans are mammals and are naturally omnivorous. You can choose not to eat meat or not to eat vegetables but you'd have to do the unnatural thing of taking supplements to make up for the nutrients you lose in having an unbalanced diet. I'm pro-choice, pro-death penalty, pro gun, pro marriag eequality (polygamy included), pro-hunting.

I'm pro-choice and vegetarian. I'm also undecided on the death penalty. I agree that violent criminals should be punished. The only reason I am undecided is because of the (very small) possibility that they could put to death an innocent person.

My vegetarianism, and views on the death penalty do not conflict with my pro-choice views because I do not recognise a fetus as a living human being until it is sentient and capable of feeling pain (at around 20 weeks).
In my opinion the animals we eat were more alive and sentient than an embryo in the early stages of development (when most abortions occur).

If you were driving down the road and there was a human child and a dog in the street, which do you do? Swerve and possibly injure yourself and your car's occupants not trying to hit either one? Hit the dog? Hit the child? Or close your eyes and hope for the best because you can't make a decision? Dogs are put down for biting people, not even killing them, biting them, should they not be put down? If all animals are equal to you then why support anything that makes them suffer? Developing property makes animals suffer, it takes away their homes, since it isnt right to take away the home of a human being why take away teh home of an animal? Cows milk is for cows, why eat icecream, drink milk, eat yogurt or other dairy products and force cows into a miserbale life of being milked all day for the benefits of humans? I mean surely you would raise heck if it were suggested women be milked all day for the benefits of cows right?

Oh and if they are all equal why not support lions eating humans since we eat so many other animals?

That is if we are going to be making an argument that humans are equal to all other animals and no life is greater than the other..

Is this post directed to anyone in particular, or is it open to anyone?

It's open. The idea that humans are equal to livestock doesn't resonate with me. We have cows hooked up to maschine being milked al day solely for our benefit, I don't think anyone would agree or stand for any notion that lactating women be hooked to pumps and milked all day and that be acceptable. If we are no better than they are then we are equal in all ways including that. My stance is we aren't they are for the most part our prey and thus can't be judged as an equal being.

You don't have to be a meat eater to support abortion and you don't have to be a vegetarian to oppose it.

Some people think that pro-lifers are supposed to value all life, not just humans (born or unborn). But, for some weird reason, these same people do not feel pro-choicers should have to value all BORN life. They usually claim they believe the born should have more rights than the unborn, so why don't they care about other born animals, too? Why just humans? Don't they care about how FEMALE cows, chickens, etc. can be killed and eaten, taking away THEIR chance at life? Or how they will have their chance at having young taken away, also?

I wish people like this would get how silly their argument is.

In general, it actually seems to me that pro-lifers ONLY value human life. Usually, it is the mere fact of having human DNA that confers any value to a creature. (I think this may be especially true of religious christian pro-lifers, due to some phrases in their bible.)

However, I am one of those nutty pro-choicers who think that quality of life is important. I believe in respect for animals, and their right to have a qood quality of life. My own view is against vegetarianism, because I like animals. If we didn't eat sheep, they wouldn't get a chance to live at all. I don't eat factory-farmed meat at all, only free range. I believe animals need the chance of a happy life, even if it is not as long as it might be if we didn't eat them.

I also do my utmost to look after my own animals. And I value one of my day-old chicks more than someone's 22-day gestated fetus. (i.e. the chick hatches at around 21 days gestation!). And I value any tiger cub over anyone's unborn child.

If you believe in the quality of life, you would have to be AGAINST women intentionally harming their fetuses (such as excessive drinkling and smoking) during wanted pregnancies, because the babies could be born permanently damaged, affecting THEIR quality of life. Or is it just too bad for them because the mother had the right?

Do you believe in killing just for food? Or do you believe in killing for whatever reason? Do you kill or have someone kill pests such as mice and rats rather than move them somewhere else safe so they could have a good quality of life? Does it really matter to you if "pests" had a good quality of life before they are killed? Do they also deserve a chance at a happy life? Do you truly respect ALL animals? (I am for humane trappings of "pests" that do NOT kill the animal by the way. I don't even like to kill bugs). I'm just wondering because I am amazed at how many people only value CERTAIN animals.

There are people out there who appear to only value animals. I wonder if they are pro-life, pro-choice, or neither?

I'm far morte fascist than that, in fact. If I was in charge, you wouldn't even be allowed to get pregnant unless you were fully qualified! I mean, you need to ensure you are physically fit, etc. But aside from that, you would need to show that you are able to look after the child, that you know how to feed it, sustain it emotionally, and provide for it adequately. There are people who feed their babies chips, cokes, etc. They smoke in the house. They are ignorant and foul-mouthed. You can do at least as much damage to a kid after its born as before.

But being AGAINT intentionally harming fetuses (and I am a taxpayer, so I don't want to have to pay for it) doesn't mean that you believe in BANNING something.



No, I do not believe in any gratuitous killing. I have trapped mice and let them go in a field. I don't kill spiders. Obviously, I don't wear fur! But I have destroyed wasps nests in my walls, because it is the only way to keep from getting stung. And I use spray against aphids in the garden, because giving them a good talking-to didn't work.

Ladybugs and ladybug larvae (you can buy them online)are GREAT aphid deterrents. Ladybugs love aphids! Just a hint

As someone who is both pro-choice and a vegetarian I thought I should weigh in.

I was a vegetarian first...from the time I was a teenager. I was always very sensitive to anything that was suffering...because of the things I have been through and the person that I am. My views and feelings about the food industry used to be pretty extreme...but I have grown alot and now I do not take offense to people eating meat. I have no interest in controlling what people do with or put into their bodies...which is also a main reason why I am pro-choice.



That being said I don't think the issues are related at all. They are two very different and VERY COMPLEX issues and I think people SEVERELY oversimplify the connection between the two before giving it any real deep thought. It's VERY easy to not look at the big picture and say if your vegetarian you should be pro-life....but you have to look deeper than that. You have to explore the issues by themselves and the reasons WHY people feel the way they do.

There is NOT ONE reason why anyone is vegetarian or why anyone is pro-choice...people are INDIVIDUALS and have their own reasons for believing what they do or living how they do. Some people are vegetarian because of the health benefits, some people for cultural reasons, some people for environmental reasons, some people were raised that way...exc. There are also MANY variations to pro-choice belief's as well....the two systems of belief are NOT automatically incompatible.

I am Vegetarian because it is normal to me to be so. It is who I am. If I don't have to kill something to eat...why should I? I am pro-choice for many reasons. I am pro-choice because I believe that every woman should have full control over her person hood and bodily anatomy. I believe she should have the freedom of CHOICE...even if it is a choice that I personally wouldn't exercise.