Conception: a new idividual reveives 23
chromosomes from each parent. He or
she is a unique individual human being,
never to be repeated. Anew person has
been created. Any further formation is
purely a matter of growth and
maturation.
Six weeks: the design of the new human
person begins to show results. The
cells are seething with life, the heart is
beating, blood is being pumped through the
umbilical cord and the whole embryo is in
constant motion. The embryonic heart
has 140 - 150 fluttering beats a minute -
twice as many as his mother.
Eleven weeks: the baby is about 2 inches
long and at 3/4 oz weighs as much as his
first birthday card! With his infant
like proportions and profile, this baby
looks like a perfect miniature doll.
But unlike any doll, he's become very
expressive, wrinkiling his forehead,
turning his head, opening and closing his
tiny lips.
Eighteen weeks: though still a lightweight
at only 7 to 8 oz (6 inches long) this
baby is now complete needing only
nourishment, warmth and growth. In
fact infants as young as 5 months have
been able to survive premiture births.
Mother begins to feel fluttering kicks and
movments from her little one now.
There is evidence the baby hears outside
noise - music, traffic, t.V, people
talking and of course his favorate sound
his mothers voice.
Arms and hands develope earlier than legs
and feet but by two months the lines of
palms and footprints are already engraved
in the skin.
Some english docors had been vigorosly
defending their experiments on live
aborted babies after a storm of protest
blew up in england when a member of
parliament told the press that private
abortion clinics had been selling live
aborted babies for research.
Dr lawn was quoted in the camebride
evening news as saying "we are simply
using something which is destined for the
incinorator to benifit mankind" the
langham street abortion clinic admited
sending aborted foetuses to the middlesex
hospital (the people, may 17, 1970) a
spokesperson for the clinic said the
foetuses were aged between eighteen and
twenty two weeks.
In the news of the world, for the same
date, may 17 1970 the same man, mr philip
stanley is also quoted as saying "the
position is quite clear. A foetus has
to be 28 weeks to become legally viable.
Earlier than that it is garbage"
destroy this temple and in three days I
will raise it up
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purple333
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Posted: 04-24-04 01:34am
Yes, using aborted babies for medical
research seems wrong but if we want to
cure hereditary conditions & gain help
in curing a wide number of others then
perhaps this is not only the best &
fastest way but the only way.
As to babies being this size etc at x
& y ages & having 23 chromosones
from each parent - all sounds so "mary
poppinssy" unfortunately in the real world
many of those 23 + 23 chromosones carry
hereditary illnesses & even death,
many carry deformities which will preven
the bay being anything other than a
vegetable.
Whilst the mothers (note just the mother's
never the men!!) may die or be left
permanently sterile or ill as a result of
the pregnancy regardless of whether a
healthy child is born or not.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-24-04 06:39am
Some of these arguments might have more
validity if most human beings weren't such
a waste of space.
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sparklypixie12
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Posted: 04-24-04 07:46am
Someone sounds bitter
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purple333
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Posted: 04-24-04 12:41pm
Poopoopoo has a good point many human
beings are a total watse of space -
consider terrorists, child sex offenders,
child abusers, those who have kids just to
get #whatever it is they think they
want/will/can get#, murderers, rapists,
many of our (in any country) politicians,
drug addicts who rob etc to support their
habit, & I could go on. How about
instead of culling helpless animals we
start culling useless humans.
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littlehunybunny
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Culling Sounds Great! Posted: 04-24-04 15:35pm
Purple, I have always thought about that!
There are so many peopel breeding who just
shouldn't be!!! Lets cull these wack jobs
and see if it betters human kind! Hehe
:d
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Gordon Drivelbottom
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Your Sick Posted: 04-25-04 21:17pm
You people make me genuinely sick. How
dare you condone abortion in any form?
Samie has made a lot of sense, yet you lot
reply with your half-baked ideas and
comments and expect people to take you
seriously. Abortion should be classed as
the crime that it is and then you people
would have to accept it.
gordon drivelbottom has spoken
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littlehunybunny
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Culling Posted: 04-26-04 03:50am
Actually what I ment by that is, take all
these wack jobs and prevent them from
breeding, not killing their children. I
personaly am aginst abortions, accept for
certen reasons such as rape, or high risk
problems to the mother and or child.
Though I do not agree that abortions
should be made past 3 months of pregnancy,
unless a late find shows certen death to
the mother and or the child apone
birthing. But one thing is for sure, even
though I am aginst it, I never turn my
face to those who do it or accept it. God
is forgiving, and so I will be too. It
only makes you a worse person by turning
your back to these people, and hating
them. God does not hate anyone, no matter
what. So what makes it alright for you to
hate? Hate in itself is a sin! So you
are sinning over a sin. It makes you no
better then them. A sin is a sin.
Weather you kill someone, or just simply
hate someone, its all a sin. So while
these ladies deside that not having their
child is the best thing in their life at
that point, you are sinning just as much
by hating those woman. I could never see
myself aborting my child, but then I don't
know how I would feel if placed in the
same shoes as some of these ladies. But I
will be damned if I turn away from them,
and not accept them for their choices.
God has not turned away from them. So if
you want to talk about how horrible these
people are, then you need to learn how to
keep your trap shut, because you are no
better for sinning hatefully about them.
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-26-04 13:10pm
Well gordon, not really. It is legal and
classified as not a crime and "you people"
don't accept that, now do you? So, why
in the world would you honestly think we
would accept it if it were the other way
around? Oh, I know because you are not
intelligent enough to understand it.
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allusivepond
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Posted: 04-26-04 16:19pm
There are so many words to describe u that
im stuggling to narrow them down but ill
do my best.
If abortion shoud be classed as a crime I
thort discrimination already was. Isnt
that wot ur doing when u insight hateful
remarks upon a subject u will never
experience and will never know and can
never fully understand.
Learn to open ur mind and ur heart and
mayb ur brain will work for more than the
30 seconds it takes u to have an orgasm
from someone who cant wait to have a
jellybean all of their own
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purple333
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Posted: 04-26-04 17:00pm
A would be obvious to anyone with half a
brain (as it was to some here )
making something illegal does not make
people agree with or approve of it.
Being a narrowminded bigot & hating
people simply because they disagree with
you is wrong regardless of what any law
says, so perhaps along with an education
some of you might try to open your minds
through experiencing some of lifes harder
moments & choices.
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samie
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Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 04-26-04 17:33pm
I am not going to start debating but it is
obviously anti human rights to “cull” anti
social misfits and/or prevent them from
having children. Especially using
genealogy in this way to determine which
babies should be aborted is not only
outrageously wrong but scary when you
consider who will be deciding who is
social misfits and who will be misfits
according to genealogy. Misfits not in
the sense of theft or homicide ect but
will homosexuals, blacks, religious,
disabled be misfits which will be the
first group to be marked for “culling”.
To say experimenting upon human beings
(without anisthetic) to help mankind may
not be right but necessary, well I am sure
we all know where we have heard that
before!
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-27-04 08:57am
For goodness sakes of course it is against
human rights. It was a joke. Although
I wish there was a way to eliminate the
trash from society, the fact is that there
just isn't.
I have no problem with people of different
religions, races, sexuality or whatever.
I have a problem with idiots, criminals,
abusive people, and those who serve no
purpose whatsoever. Unfortunately, they
are everywhere and there is nothing we can
do that would not violate human rights.
But oh would it be wonderful!
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 17:47pm
To even think like that is beyond me
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-28-04 08:30am
Well to each his own. But if we could
get rid of the murderers and rapists in
this world then the world would be a much
better place
anyone can understand that, can't they?
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samie
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Posted: 04-28-04 18:20pm
Yes but not by violent messure but by
education and imprisonment
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-28-04 18:23pm
Where life begins and what value it has is
something that philosophers, as well as
biologists and theologists, have been
debating for centuries. I am very
impressed that someone has been able to
come to such a definite opinion, so I
guess we can all stop wondering now...
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samie
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Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 04-28-04 18:47pm
Very impressed that someone has been able
to come to such a definite *opinion*, so I
guess we can all stop wondering now...
Fact... It is a biological fact it is not
an opinion it is a
.F.A.C.T
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-28-04 19:18pm
And your point is?
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samie
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Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 04-28-04 21:01pm
If it is a human being like biology knows
it is, can it be right to kill anyone from
this minority group unless they are
putting another human beings life in
direct high possiblity of death, even then
shouldn’t we try to do as much as we can
to save both patients? If it comes to it
an operation could be made to remove the
baby from the womb which may or may not
end its life
)
making something illegal does not make
people agree with or approve of it.