Autism has never been scientifically charged with causing autism. I haven't read anything in depth about the vaccines, just know that there are ones that must be taken to prevent death or severe retardation.

I have all my children vaccinated because I do believe in what they represent. I do not believe in government conspiracy theories either.....these sicknesses are only continued because of idiots who think they know better and do not vaccinate. I am only speaking of those vaccines that are necessary and which prevent illnesses that cannot be otherwise prevented. I will not have my children vaccinated with the HPV vaccine....they are not going to be sexually active until they are married, so why expose them to the risks associated with the vaccine? I will also not have them vaccinated for the flu....it only prevents one strand of a viral infection, and does not prevent bacterial infections and other viruses. Besides, most people who get the flu aren't going to be retarded or die from it.

It's just something that people need to have as a scapegoat for their drama. I would say there are tons of reasons why there are things like autism, like marrying a second cousin or closer (incest), genetics, drug and alcohol abuse, smoking......

The only vaccine left with questionable substances is the flu vaccine (which I think is pointless, but anyways) but you can request for it without those substances.

i agree about the flu vaccine.

I agree with some of what you said, however, the other possible reasons of autism that you mentioned are really not proven either. In fact, a great deal of individuals who are autistic have parents that have a higher than average IQ and have not done what you have mentioned. With some individuals, there is a genetic factor.

I do believe that there are many possible causes of autism. What do you mean "things like autism." Autism is not a "thing." Do you mean disorders? A disorder is NOT caused by what you have mentioned.

I have a child with Autism and I am a school psychologist and work a lot with individuals who have autism. It's not medically correct to lump autism in the category of "possible reasons being incest, smoking or drinking" That has NEVER even remotely been proven!

You have a lot of experience being a parent and have good advice but this is one area that perhaps you shouldn't have a word in until you read more about Autism.

When you compare the Autism rates in countries that don't use our vaccines to us it is clear that vaccines are the cause of the autism epidemic.

Believe reality not cable news that accepts billion form the drug companies.

correlation does not equate causation.

Maybe immunizations are the cause, maybe they are not. It isn't going to stop me from protecting my baby from Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, and all of the other terrible illnesses that he could die from or end up physically disabled from if he got it. My father had polio when he was a child and he has suffered his entire life because of it. If I can prevent my son a lifetime of suffering I'll do it.

I have given this subject a lot of thought and I've done my fair share of research. Having a child that has Autism has it's challenges I'm sure of that, but having a child die when I know I could have prevented it is more than I could live with.

If you compare other countries that do not use our immunizations I'm sure you will find that many of them do not immunize their kids at all.

My bro is on the autism spectrum. There are three kids, he is the only one with autism or any other diagnoses for that matter. Neither of my parents or any of my relatives have it either. No drug abuse, no smoking, no drinking (seriously), no incest.

Sometimes, these things just happen.

Hopefully, though, someday soon we'll find a cause. But I think psychology is far too new of a science to know yet.

Wow, did you see in the news about the family who has six children, all of them with austism? Now that has to be very hard to deal with. The odds of that happening are really really rare they said!

I also saw on the news that there is this chemical they've added to baby lotions shampoos and powders that may cause reproductive issues in the babies and children later on in life. I was so disturbed by this I went and read all the labels in my bathroom. How can they do stuff like that? And it's only something they use to stabilize the perfumes or something. There is no definite evidence, but I say why even chance it? It's not even necessary to the products?

If they are just finding out things like this now in regard to a simple chemical used in baby products, I'm sure there is a definite culprit out there for autism that we are missing.

If I had six children and they all had autism, I'd certainly start checking labels!!

I have slowly been switching to natural cleaning products and such. I don't have children or anything, but when I do, I want it to be a safe environment.

The so called link between the termosol vaccines and autism was that it contained mercury, which would stay in the brain and cause a child to become autistic. However, the type of mercury found in the vaccines wasn't elemental mercury, but actually a compound with mercury in it, called ethylmercury. Ethylmercury, unlike elemental mercury and methylmercury doesn't bio-accumulate in the body, it breaks down and is excreted.

In addition, Balldez, when you look at developed countries that banned these vaccines years ago, like Great Britain and Japan, they have autism rates that are actually higher then those found in America.

You also have to look at the fact that most kids who get vaccines don't get autism. I mean, autism is still pretty rare, and vaccination surely is not.

And in most families of kids who have autism, it's only one family member. If there was an environmental factor, every child exposed to that factor would develop it.

I'm not saying it doesn't have anything to do with the environment, certainly there might be triggers, but that can't be all of it, or probably even the majority.

I was reading more about it because even though I don't think the vaccines cause autism, I had a sort of an idea about it........ the vaccines associated with autism was the MMR vaccine.

Maybe it's because of the variation of the sickness that they inject. It's a dead form of the virus, but it's still the virus. Those people who got the measles mumps or rubella and died......maybe, just what if, they hadn't died, do you think that maybe they would have some sort of autism from that? Like it's one of the symptoms of measles mumps or rubella. And that is the only part of it that comes out in the vaccine.

I don't know if I'm stating my thought clearly enough or not....but it was just my thought. I'm still getting my kids vaccinated, even though it still scared the heck out of me, autism or no autism.

good point!!

I do believe there is a missing culprit.

Just an FYI - mercury in any form is a known neurotoxin. The blood brain barrier is not formed in children. Nobody really knows when this chemical barrier in the brain is fully formed but it is not present in babies. There are indications that the bbb may not be fully developed until teen years. This being said, some children may be sensitive to thimerisol in vaccines or perhaps to the vaccine itself. More studies need to be done. Autism is not the result of incest, drug use or alcoholism.

Yes, toxins trigger symptoms. Vaccines, and many other things that get into our bodies can cause damage to our brains, intestinal tract, liver, etc. Vaccines are toxic, in varying degrees, and how well the body they are injected into handles the toxin depends on many factors. We are all individual,one-of-a-kind biochemical packages. Some of us have a mild fever after a vaccine, because our immune systems react to the virus, create antibodies, maybe some inflammation results, the virus is killed, we excrete the viral matter, recover and go on our merry way.
Others, due to a less developed, weak or damaged immune system have different reactions to the toxins they come in contact with - ingested, inhaled, injected or however.
Infants have immunity from their moms, until their own immune systems take over. No one can be sure, without blood tests, how well a child's immune system is working at any given time. One of the reasons doctors skip a vaccination temporarily when a child shows symptoms of having a cold, is because the child's system is already dealing with a virus or bacteria, and they can't know, without tests, if that child's immune complexes can handle the added burden without complications. We are all individual.
Many studies have proven that infants and very young children do NOT have fully functional, correctly working intestinal tracts. Now, imagine that you're 2 days old, your intestines aren't functioning right yet, and a virus is injected into your body? (Most babies get their first shot before they leave the hospital, unless you object).
Are you going to be able to excrete all the toxic elements? Are you going to absorb the toxins into your bloodstream because of intestinal permeability? Are the toxins going to get into your brain because the blood-brain barrier isn't formed yet? Can your liver filter out the toxins? Or your kidneys? Have you been tested to make sure they are working correctly?
I've read that in Japan they advise children be vaccinated only after the age of two or three-- because they know and understand now that a child's intestines can't deal with the vaccines until after it is fully developed. This makes sense to me.
Also, giving multiple vaccines at one visit is for the convenience of everyone involved, and does create a health burden for the child, whether symptoms develop or not.
True, most of us recover, or did we? Some studies that have been completed on the long term effects of vaccines strongly suggest they may be the cause of many disease conditions that develop years later, or whenever our immune system becomes weakened. (I apologize for citing studies without the proper info, I wish I had bookmarked them). Some scientists claim cellular immunity (which is what you would have after a disease, such as chicken pox) is a hundred times better (not specifically 100 times, just a figure of speech) than humoral immunity (which is what you have after a vaccine). Vaccines often fail.
Most elderly people today probably survived having measles, mumps, scarlet fever, rubella, chicken pox etc. because at the time they had them, their immune systems were not overburdened with toxins from various sources (environment etc). I HAD all of these diseases when I was young. I'm 54 and in very good health. (My mom and dad are both 86 and going strong, mentally and physically).
A cousin of mine caught whooping cough (pertussis) when he was two, and has brain damage (mental) he will have the rest of his life. Perhaps if he could have been vaccinated, he wouldn't be mentally disabled. Perhaps if he WAS vaccinated with a pertussis vaccine, he would have developed autism. Who can say for sure?
(He's 60 years old, by the way).
My son has health problems vaccines may have contributed to. He is not autistic, but had a few behaviors generally considered to be on the spectrum.
If I could go back in time, knowing what I know now (how many of us have said that?), I would have waited until my son was 3 or 4 to get vaccinated. Or maybe no vaccines, just build up his immune system and get blood tests done to see how well it's working.
I was sick as a child with those diseases, but I'm glad I had them and recovered. I'm sure my mom would have had me vaccinated with everything, if they had been available then. Would I be as healthy now as I am, if she had? I don't know. I guess it all depends on your total toxic burden. Kids these days have an earlier toxic burden, and pushing more and more vaccines into their bodies, just at the time brain development is so crucial seems evil to me now.
I will never tell anyone not to take vaccines, but people need to be less trusting of established medical practices and do their own research. (Give a baby a vaccine for a disease usually only seen in drug addicts)? Hep.B.
I would urge people not to be so fearful of common diseases IF you know you or your child has a strong immune system. You CAN test for immunity before vaccination. Vets are doing this for our pets more often now (if you request it), because of the question of vaccinosis. Because pets live shorter lives than humans,the effects of vaccine accumulation can be seen sooner, and some vets are changing their vaccine protocols, "just to be on the safe side", because they are concerned. Maybe we should demand as much from our doctors, for our precious children.

Hi all

I have a 4 year old son who was diagnosed with mod/severe Autism..he was diagnosed fully at the age of 2.5 years..howver we were told alot earlier but had to get the professionals report...

In regards to the vaccines causing Autism crock of you know what..looking back at pics of my son at age 3monthes..you could tell hes autistic and the MMR vaccine are not given until 12monthes...


Hes a very very smart boy however like most children with autism its there social behaviour that lacks... Autism is not rare at all and for those you have a child with this disability i know exaclty how hard and sressful it is..

Thanks smooch, this has made me feel a little better. I am really sorry about your son's autism, but am glad he's a smart kid. Many children with autism seem to be specially gifted.

Every time I get my children and babies their shots I agonize about it for days before and after. I'm trying to do what I believe is the right thing, but it doesn't make it easier.

Honeycomb, your reply is wonderfully written and I agree wholeheartedly.

mominashoe, actually the government did recently concede that autism was caused by vaccines in the case of Hannah Poling. Look it up. She is the daughter of a lawyer and a doctor who were able to put together a case that the government's best minds could not defeat, unfortunately for the rest of us, we are not all doctors and lawyers and vaccine court is not like other courts, but instead is biased against the public, but that is another whole long discussion... By the way, what I'm referring to is that any damage as a result of any vaccine cannot be litigated in a regular court, you have to go to special "vaccine court".

Also, pharmaceutical companies were supposed to voluntarily remove mercury from vaccines due to a government request and the possible link to autism and autism like disorders, however to date (August 2009) most vaccines continue to be made with mercury or forms of mercury which are marketed under other names such as thermiasol. No matter the name or form of mercury it is a deadly neurotoxin and once it gets in the body it is nearly impossible to remove because of the way it binds to cells.

I worked for a pharmaceutical company for many years, I know how they work. I'm not saying that they are out to get anyone, but I will say that the objective of the company is profit profit profit, not necessarily the health of every patient. Loss of or damage to some patients is viewed as acceptable and expected, the goal is high profits and low liability. Of course death or damage is acceptable as long as it's not a someone you care about. It's just a part of doing business.

There are also some FACTS you need to understand about vaccines. I could write volumes as I have spent many years studying vaccines and the damage they can cause because I was injured by a vaccine, but that's another whole long story too. I'll limit myself to 7 important facts. Please, DON'T take my word for it, do the research yourself. Google is a great resource. So is Dr Mercola's site. Go to a medical library at a med school. You can read anything you like there and it's a fantastic resource.

1. The immunity gained from a vaccine is different than the immunity gained from the illness itself. Illness provides lifetime immunity, vaccines only provide immunity for about 12 years or so. (This is why I had the mumps and measles in my mid 20s although I had all the vaccines as a child.) This has to do with the way the virus enters the body and the immune system reaction, as well as the way the vaccine was made and possible adjuncts added to the vaccine as well as the overall immune status of the patient at the time of the vaccine.

2. The reason certain illnessses are still around and show up is not because of nonvaccination, but instead BECAUSE of vaccination. Most illnesses begin in populations of vaccinated individuals who have a poor immune response to the vaccine due to a poor immune status at the time of the vaccine. In some cases, illnesses are brought back by the vaccinated from other countries. (This is exactly how I got the mumps and measles.) These are just some examples but the numbers are well documented by the CDC.

3. Vaccine related reactions are believed (by the government and pharmaceutical companies) to be reported only about 10% of the time. In reality it's much less. Students in med schools are told over and over they must vaccinate as much as possible and that injuries, including death, are most likely due to other causes. By the way, it's often pharmacuetical companies telling students this as they hand out their complimentary textbooks and stethocopes in the new biology lab they just bought and paid for and "donated" to the school. Young minds are the easiest and best to mold into the kind of thinking we want, yes, pharma people talk like that. (FYI - I no longer work in pharma, my conscience would not allow me to continue working in pharma after I realized what we were doing, despite the huge sums of money they tried to give me.)

4. The flu shot does not and has never worked. It's a pure money maker. It's made a year in advance and they "guess" at what the strain will be. In all the years that the flu shot has been out they've NEVER guessed right, not even once. Maybe if they guessed right it would work, but to make the quantities needed they must work a year in advance. The newest science suggests that the flu is caused, at least in part, by a seasonal vitamin D deficiency. Studies are being done now which is looking at this. Flu shots also contain mercury in some form.

5. Vaccine viruses are grown in various mediums such as human liver cells, chicken eggs, the cells of aborted fetuses, etc... Very very few physicians have any idea of the originating medium of the vaccine they are administering - deliberately so by pharma companies. Nobody knows the long term ramifications of injecting a toddler with say, aborted fetus cells (aka foreign DNA). (By the way this is how my husband and I both developed an egg allergy.) Also many vaccines contain adjuvants which are added substances that are intended to turbo charge the immune response. Some, like Squalene are quite dangerous and in Europe scientists believe it is a cause of MS and rhumatoid arthritis later in life, so they have been banned. The swine flu vaccine is a vaccine that has this particular adjuvant by the way.

6. A new possibility that is now starting to emerge is the possibility that vaccines, (something in the vaccines or something in the way the immune system responds to them) can actually cause cross generational harm. In other words, as an example, a vaccine injury occurs in a generation which is too minor to be diagnosed, the next generation is born with an immune defect or disability of some kind which is not diagnosed and then more vaccines are given on top of that. Then the next generation is born with more severe, more easily diagnosed condition. This is an example to explain the concept but you see what the problem is.

7. Vaccines are a MAJOR source of income for pediatricians which is one reason why you will rarely find a doctor who will not promote them. They are the most heavily promoted product to peds, particularly while they are still students.

All of that said, there are some vaccines where the benefit outweighs the risk, however it is my opinion, (and the opinion of many other forward thinking physicians) that children should not be given vaccines until their bodies (immune system) are able to handle them and that they should be given vaccines on a more drawn out schedule vs the current government schedule. I do not believe in giving children every single vaccine available or recommended by the government.

Most important of all, I believe that all parents and patients should have a choice of what they put into their bodies. Vaccines should not be mandated by the government nor should physicians bully parents or patients into having them. Every parents choice should be respected.

It is a little known fact but every state allows for vaccine exemptions which any parent can obtain. It's just a form to fill out and can be found on the web.