diamondsz
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Signed An Abortion Contract
Posted: 01-08-08 18:14pm
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Ok now I want to bring something up and
get peoples views on this. I use to have
sever acne and have been taking Acutane
for 3 months, the thing is my doctor told
me I could not get pregnant due to severe
deformities it would cause. So Basically
io had to sign a form saying that if I got
pregnant I could nto hold him liable and
basically would get an abortion/d&c I
dont remember which one it falls under..
So the question is alot of people are on
medication like a previous topic and well
alot cause deformation or sever
deformation.
so if I get pregnant(mind Im doing
everything not to) ~This part pro-life~
should I have to bring a severly deformed
child into this world?
Pro-choice should they be making more
contracts like this with people, in
regards to medical or even job wise?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-08-08 18:30pm
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I didn't have to sign a thing saying I
absolutely would get an abortion. I signed
something saying that I would use two
forms of birth control, and was made aware
that if I did get pregnant, the baby would
most likely not survive or be severely
deformed if it did, and that I could not
sue acutane because of this since I knew
prior. So unless I missed something, I was
not forced to say I would abort. That is
as anti-choice as you can get and it is
illegal to force someone to sign that in
order to take a medication. It is the
mother's choice to bring a baby into the
world, deformed or not. You shouldn't HAVE
to; it is your CHOICE.
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diamondsz
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Posted: 01-08-08 20:19pm
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You are right Eiri but I take it
personally as being stuck with a medical
abortion because I would never have the
time to raise up a severly deformed child.
No offense but I have two of my own much
less time for one that needs dedication.
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Posted: 01-08-08 20:28pm
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Well if you feel you are "stuck" with the
possible abortion because you couldn't
raise the child, then perhaps Acutane
isn't for you? It's a responsibility you
have to take when using that drug.
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Posted: 01-09-08 03:48am
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I agree that you should not be able to
force someone into having an abortion.
Pro-choice is about the woman being
allowed to make her own choice on how she
wants to proceed with her pregnancy.
If you wish to bring a severly deformed
child in to the world then it is your
choice. As long as you fully understand
the repurcussions and are willing to look
after him/her and take full
responsibility
I, for one, though would never bring a
deformed baby in to the world. It is very
unfair in the child.
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diamondsz
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Posted: 01-09-08 06:18am
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Thats exactly it Becky you phrased it
better than I did...
| eiri
wrote: | | It's a responsibility you
have to take when using that
drug |
My responsibility lies to the children I
have and not a potential with severe
deformities, if it did happen it would be
my responsibility to have a medical
abortion so that my children whom I have
can have the value of life they deserve.
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Posted: 01-09-08 08:14am
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Well if you feel you are
"stuck" with the possible abortion because
you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps
Acutane isn't for you? It's a
responsibility you have to take when using
that drug. |
Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have
sex, you are accepting the fact that you
might have a baby?" I didn't read forced
abortioin in the contract, but I do know
that the drug mfg and the physician are
trying to CYA as they have been sued
mercilessly before for this problem.
(believe me, I'm not sympathizing with
them-at all).
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Posted: 01-09-08 08:56am
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That sounds like a sucky policy, but I
understand the reasons behind that and
Acutane CAN cause severe deformities. I,
personally, would find it completely
immoral and unethical for a woman to not
abort in this case.
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Posted: 01-09-08 15:41pm
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They do this when women are involved in
clinical trials for new drugs too, because
they don't know how it would effect
babies.
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Posted: 01-09-08 17:46pm
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| diamondsz
wrote: | Thats exactly it Becky you
phrased it better than I did...
| eiri
wrote: | | It's a responsibility you
have to take when using that
drug |
My responsibility lies to the children I
have and not a potential with severe
deformities, if it did happen it would be
my responsibility to have a medical
abortion so that my children whom I have
can have the value of life they
deserve. |
What I meant is it is your responsibility
to PREVENT a pregnancy and your
responsibility to DEAL with a pregnancy IF
it happens. That can be abortion, or that
can be adoption or keeping it. Why did you
assume I was telling you to give birth?
I'm pro-choice remember? In my opinion,
YES, you should abort if you get pregnant
on acutane. But it ain't my choice. It's
yours.
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Posted: 01-09-08 17:53pm
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Ok sorry its just the way you phrased it I
guess were all having a bad day with
words.......
yes it is my responsibility to protect
myself I agree completely~!
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Posted: 01-09-08 17:55pm
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| sillyakchick
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Well if you feel you are
"stuck" with the possible abortion because
you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps
Acutane isn't for you? It's a
responsibility you have to take when using
that drug. |
Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have
sex, you are accepting the fact that you
might have a baby?" I didn't read forced
abortioin in the contract, but I do know
that the drug mfg and the physician are
trying to CYA as they have been sued
mercilessly before for this problem.
(believe me, I'm not sympathizing with
them-at all). |
NO. Read my post below. ALL of you read me
wrong. You all assume I think she should
give birth or something, which is the
opposite of what I feel.
However, IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING FORCED
TO CHOOSE ABORTION because
of the medicine because you can't raise a
handicapped child, then I DO NOT THINK you
should get on that medicine as I feel no
woman should feel like she is being FORCED
to choose abortion.
And what? You think a person on acutane
SHOULDN'T try to prevent pregnancy? I
don't get what the heck you're all saying
with the "accept the possibility of
pregnancy" thing.
Yeah, I DO accept the fact that I might
get pregnant. That doesn't mean I am
CONSENTING to it, but it does mean I understand basic
reproductive biology. It doesn't mean I
won't abort; it means I'm not dumb and
"Wow!! Sex can cause pregnancy!!"
Duuuuuuuh.
You accept the risks when you get in a car
and you do what you can to prevent
injuries. You do not CONSENT to the
injuries if they happen, but I don't think
many people go "Oh! I didn't know that
driving in a car could hurt me!" when they
get in a crash. Everyone knows that can
happen. They ACCEPT this fact.
So when you take acutane, you ACCEPT the
fact that IF you get pregnant, the fetus
WILL be severely deformed. You must then
take the responsibility to deal with that
pregnancy how ever you choose.
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Posted: 01-09-08 17:56pm
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| diamondsz
wrote: | Ok sorry its just the way
you phrased it I guess were all having a
bad day with words.......
yes it is my responsibility to protect
myself I agree
completely~! |
You weren't the only one, apparently 
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Posted: 01-09-08 18:13pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Well if you feel you are
"stuck" with the possible abortion because
you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps
Acutane isn't for you? It's a
responsibility you have to take when using
that drug. |
Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have
sex, you are accepting the fact that you
might have a baby?" I didn't read forced
abortioin in the contract, but I do know
that the drug mfg and the physician are
trying to CYA as they have been sued
mercilessly before for this problem.
(believe me, I'm not sympathizing with
them-at all). |
NO. Read my post below. ALL of you read me
wrong. You all assume I think she should
give birth or something, which is the
opposite of what I feel.
However, IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING FORCED
TO CHOOSE ABORTION because
of the medicine because you can't raise a
handicapped child, then I DO NOT THINK you
should get on that medicine as I feel no
woman should feel like she is being FORCED
to choose abortion.
And what? You think a person on acutane
SHOULDN'T try to prevent pregnancy? I
don't get what the heck you're all saying
with the "accept the possibility of
pregnancy" thing.
Yeah, I DO accept the fact that I might
get pregnant. That doesn't mean I am
CONSENTING to it, but it does mean I understand basic
reproductive biology. It doesn't mean I
won't abort; it means I'm not dumb and
"Wow!! Sex can cause pregnancy!!"
Duuuuuuuh.
You accept the risks when you get in a car
and you do what you can to prevent
injuries. You do not CONSENT to the
injuries if they happen, but I don't think
many people go "Oh! I didn't know that
driving in a car could hurt me!" when they
get in a crash. Everyone knows that can
happen. They ACCEPT this fact.
So when you take acutane, you ACCEPT the
fact that IF you get pregnant, the fetus
WILL be severely deformed. You must then
take the responsibility to deal with that
pregnancy how ever you
choose. |
You seem to be really on the defensive
about this. I wan't trying to start an
argument.
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Posted: 01-09-08 19:41pm
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You seemed to be accusing me of being
anti-choice or that I was telling her how
to feel or what to do. The fact that both
of you misread what I wrote is also
disconcerting.
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Posted: 01-09-08 22:14pm
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| sillyakchick
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | sillyakchick
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Well if you feel you are
"stuck" with the possible abortion because
you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps
Acutane isn't for you? It's a
responsibility you have to take when using
that drug. |
Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have
sex, you are accepting the fact that you
might have a baby?" I didn't read forced
abortioin in the contract, but I do know
that the drug mfg and the physician are
trying to CYA as they have been sued
mercilessly before for this problem.
(believe me, I'm not sympathizing with
them-at all). |
NO. Read my post below. ALL of you read me
wrong. You all assume I think she should
give birth or something, which is the
opposite of what I feel.
However, IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING FORCED
TO CHOOSE ABORTION because
of the medicine because you can't raise a
handicapped child, then I DO NOT THINK you
should get on that medicine as I feel no
woman should feel like she is being FORCED
to choose abortion.
And what? You think a person on acutane
SHOULDN'T try to prevent pregnancy? I
don't get what the heck you're all saying
with the "accept the possibility of
pregnancy" thing.
Yeah, I DO accept the fact that I might
get pregnant. That doesn't mean I am
CONSENTING to it, but it does mean I understand basic
reproductive biology. It doesn't mean I
won't abort; it means I'm not dumb and
"Wow!! Sex can cause pregnancy!!"
Duuuuuuuh.
You accept the risks when you get in a car
and you do what you can to prevent
injuries. You do not CONSENT to the
injuries if they happen, but I don't think
many people go "Oh! I didn't know that
driving in a car could hurt me!" when they
get in a crash. Everyone knows that can
happen. They ACCEPT this fact.
So when you take acutane, you ACCEPT the
fact that IF you get pregnant, the fetus
WILL be severely deformed. You must then
take the responsibility to deal with that
pregnancy how ever you
choose. |
You seem to be really on the defensive
about this. I wan't trying to start an
argument. |
I have found it best to not ask Eiri to
clarify anything as she tends to turn into
a hyper-defensive 15 year old almost
instantaneously instead of politely trying
to rephrase herself.
I just think it's insecurity.
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Posted: 01-09-08 23:37pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | You seemed to be accusing me
of being anti-choice or that I was telling
her how to feel or what to do. The fact
that both of you misread what I wrote is
also
disconcerting. |
Well, I'm not going to get into this.
First of all you wrote that everyone
misread you. Perhaps you weren't being
vlear. I stated I didn't want to get
involved in an argument, yet it persists.
If there is more you would like to say,
please feel free to address it in a PM.
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Posted: 01-10-08 08:06am
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Your risk, your choice. End of
discussion.
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