Abortion Debate Forum - Signed An Abortion Contract

Tylanas

replied on January 8th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

I didn't have to sign a thing saying I absolutely would get an abortion. I signed something saying that I would use two forms of birth control, and was made aware that if I did get pregnant, the baby would most likely not survive or be severely deformed if it did, and that I could not sue acutane because of this since I knew prior. So unless I missed something, I was not forced to say I would abort. That is as anti-choice as you can get and it is illegal to force someone to sign that in order to take a medication. It is the mother's choice to bring a baby into the world, deformed or not. You shouldn't HAVE to; it is your CHOICE.

|

Users who thank Tylanas for this post: Phenicks

diamondsz

replied on January 8th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

You are right Eiri but I take it personally as being stuck with a medical abortion because I would never have the time to raise up a severly deformed child. No offense but I have two of my own much less time for one that needs dedication.

|

Tylanas

replied on January 8th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

Well if you feel you are "stuck" with the possible abortion because you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps Acutane isn't for you? It's a responsibility you have to take when using that drug.

|

Becky

replied on January 9th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

I agree that you should not be able to force someone into having an abortion. Pro-choice is about the woman being allowed to make her own choice on how she wants to proceed with her pregnancy.

If you wish to bring a severly deformed child in to the world then it is your choice. As long as you fully understand the repurcussions and are willing to look after him/her and take full responsibility

I, for one, though would never bring a deformed baby in to the world. It is very unfair in the child.

|

diamondsz

replied on January 9th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Thats exactly it Becky you phrased it better than I did...

eiri wrote:

It's a responsibility you have to take when using that drug

My responsibility lies to the children I have and not a potential with severe deformities, if it did happen it would be my responsibility to have a medical abortion so that my children whom I have can have the value of life they deserve.

|

sillyakchick

replied on January 9th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Eiri wrote:

Well if you feel you are "stuck" with the possible abortion because you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps Acutane isn't for you? It's a responsibility you have to take when using that drug.

Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have sex, you are accepting the fact that you might have a baby?" I didn't read forced abortioin in the contract, but I do know that the drug mfg and the physician are trying to CYA as they have been sued mercilessly before for this problem. (believe me, I'm not sympathizing with them-at all).

|

Jude-Love

replied on January 9th, 2008

Active User, very eHealthy

That sounds like a sucky policy, but I understand the reasons behind that and Acutane CAN cause severe deformities. I, personally, would find it completely immoral and unethical for a woman to not abort in this case.

|

Georgia59

replied on January 9th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

They do this when women are involved in clinical trials for new drugs too, because they don't know how it would effect babies.

|

Tylanas

replied on January 9th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

diamondsz wrote:

Thats exactly it Becky you phrased it better than I did...

eiri wrote:

It's a responsibility you have to take when using that drug

My responsibility lies to the children I have and not a potential with severe deformities, if it did happen it would be my responsibility to have a medical abortion so that my children whom I have can have the value of life they deserve.

What I meant is it is your responsibility to PREVENT a pregnancy and your responsibility to DEAL with a pregnancy IF it happens. That can be abortion, or that can be adoption or keeping it. Why did you assume I was telling you to give birth? I'm pro-choice remember? In my opinion, YES, you should abort if you get pregnant on acutane. But it ain't my choice. It's yours.

|

diamondsz

replied on January 9th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Ok sorry its just the way you phrased it I guess were all having a bad day with words.......

yes it is my responsibility to protect myself I agree completely~!

|

Tylanas

replied on January 9th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

sillyakchick wrote:

Eiri wrote:

Well if you feel you are "stuck" with the possible abortion because you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps Acutane isn't for you? It's a responsibility you have to take when using that drug.

Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have sex, you are accepting the fact that you might have a baby?" I didn't read forced abortioin in the contract, but I do know that the drug mfg and the physician are trying to CYA as they have been sued mercilessly before for this problem. (believe me, I'm not sympathizing with them-at all).

NO. Read my post below. ALL of you read me wrong. You all assume I think she should give birth or something, which is the opposite of what I feel.

However, IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING FORCED TO CHOOSE ABORTION because of the medicine because you can't raise a handicapped child, then I DO NOT THINK you should get on that medicine as I feel no woman should feel like she is being FORCED to choose abortion.

And what? You think a person on acutane SHOULDN'T try to prevent pregnancy? I don't get what the heck you're all saying with the "accept the possibility of pregnancy" thing.

Yeah, I DO accept the fact that I might get pregnant. That doesn't mean I am CONSENTING to it, but it does mean I understand basic reproductive biology. It doesn't mean I won't abort; it means I'm not dumb and "Wow!! Sex can cause pregnancy!!" Duuuuuuuh.

You accept the risks when you get in a car and you do what you can to prevent injuries. You do not CONSENT to the injuries if they happen, but I don't think many people go "Oh! I didn't know that driving in a car could hurt me!" when they get in a crash. Everyone knows that can happen. They ACCEPT this fact.

So when you take acutane, you ACCEPT the fact that IF you get pregnant, the fetus WILL be severely deformed. You must then take the responsibility to deal with that pregnancy how ever you choose.

|

Tylanas

replied on January 9th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

diamondsz wrote:

Ok sorry its just the way you phrased it I guess were all having a bad day with words.......

yes it is my responsibility to protect myself I agree completely~!

You weren't the only one, apparently Rolling Eyes

|

sillyakchick

replied on January 9th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Eiri wrote:

sillyakchick wrote:

Eiri wrote:

Well if you feel you are "stuck" with the possible abortion because you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps Acutane isn't for you? It's a responsibility you have to take when using that drug.

Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have sex, you are accepting the fact that you might have a baby?" I didn't read forced abortioin in the contract, but I do know that the drug mfg and the physician are trying to CYA as they have been sued mercilessly before for this problem. (believe me, I'm not sympathizing with them-at all).

NO. Read my post below. ALL of you read me wrong. You all assume I think she should give birth or something, which is the opposite of what I feel.

However, IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING FORCED TO CHOOSE ABORTION because of the medicine because you can't raise a handicapped child, then I DO NOT THINK you should get on that medicine as I feel no woman should feel like she is being FORCED to choose abortion.

And what? You think a person on acutane SHOULDN'T try to prevent pregnancy? I don't get what the heck you're all saying with the "accept the possibility of pregnancy" thing.

Yeah, I DO accept the fact that I might get pregnant. That doesn't mean I am CONSENTING to it, but it does mean I understand basic reproductive biology. It doesn't mean I won't abort; it means I'm not dumb and "Wow!! Sex can cause pregnancy!!" Duuuuuuuh.

You accept the risks when you get in a car and you do what you can to prevent injuries. You do not CONSENT to the injuries if they happen, but I don't think many people go "Oh! I didn't know that driving in a car could hurt me!" when they get in a crash. Everyone knows that can happen. They ACCEPT this fact.

So when you take acutane, you ACCEPT the fact that IF you get pregnant, the fetus WILL be severely deformed. You must then take the responsibility to deal with that pregnancy how ever you choose.

You seem to be really on the defensive about this. I wan't trying to start an argument.

|

Tylanas

replied on January 9th, 2008

Especially eHealthy

You seemed to be accusing me of being anti-choice or that I was telling her how to feel or what to do. The fact that both of you misread what I wrote is also disconcerting.

|

Birch

replied on January 9th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

sillyakchick wrote:

Eiri wrote:

sillyakchick wrote:

Eiri wrote:

Well if you feel you are "stuck" with the possible abortion because you couldn't raise the child, then perhaps Acutane isn't for you? It's a responsibility you have to take when using that drug.

Isn't that kinda like saying, "if you have sex, you are accepting the fact that you might have a baby?" I didn't read forced abortioin in the contract, but I do know that the drug mfg and the physician are trying to CYA as they have been sued mercilessly before for this problem. (believe me, I'm not sympathizing with them-at all).

NO. Read my post below. ALL of you read me wrong. You all assume I think she should give birth or something, which is the opposite of what I feel.

However, IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING FORCED TO CHOOSE ABORTION because of the medicine because you can't raise a handicapped child, then I DO NOT THINK you should get on that medicine as I feel no woman should feel like she is being FORCED to choose abortion.

And what? You think a person on acutane SHOULDN'T try to prevent pregnancy? I don't get what the heck you're all saying with the "accept the possibility of pregnancy" thing.

Yeah, I DO accept the fact that I might get pregnant. That doesn't mean I am CONSENTING to it, but it does mean I understand basic reproductive biology. It doesn't mean I won't abort; it means I'm not dumb and "Wow!! Sex can cause pregnancy!!" Duuuuuuuh.

You accept the risks when you get in a car and you do what you can to prevent injuries. You do not CONSENT to the injuries if they happen, but I don't think many people go "Oh! I didn't know that driving in a car could hurt me!" when they get in a crash. Everyone knows that can happen. They ACCEPT this fact.

So when you take acutane, you ACCEPT the fact that IF you get pregnant, the fetus WILL be severely deformed. You must then take the responsibility to deal with that pregnancy how ever you choose.

You seem to be really on the defensive about this. I wan't trying to start an argument.

I have found it best to not ask Eiri to clarify anything as she tends to turn into a hyper-defensive 15 year old almost instantaneously instead of politely trying to rephrase herself.

I just think it's insecurity.

|

sillyakchick

replied on January 9th, 2008

Extremely eHealthy

Eiri wrote:

You seemed to be accusing me of being anti-choice or that I was telling her how to feel or what to do. The fact that both of you misread what I wrote is also disconcerting.

Well, I'm not going to get into this. First of all you wrote that everyone misread you. Perhaps you weren't being vlear. I stated I didn't want to get involved in an argument, yet it persists. If there is more you would like to say, please feel free to address it in a PM.

|