spastic muscles but no joint pain Posted: 12-30-07 19:46pm
Hey All
It is nice to find all of you here. I
have been experiencing TMD symptoms for
about 8 years. I have spastic jaw muscles
and the muscle tension spreads throughout
my body. From my jaw, to neck, to back,
and even to my left foot.
I suspect I have a 'typical' history of
someone w/ TMJ. Pretty high strung w/ a
history of tooth grinding. The most
significant thing is that I had a huge pop
on the right side of my jaw from age 12
on. At age 21, after lots of pain and
muscle tension, the pop went away. The
pain went away, but the muscle tension has
always remained. I've alwasy suspected
the right side is somehow screwed up
despite the fact that it is not popping
now.
The interesting thing is that I've been to
TMJ dentists before at the U of Washington
dental school very early on in my symptoms
when I was 21, and because I reported no
jaw pain, they discounted me as someone
who was just to stressed out and sent me
home with some amitriptyline. The
symptoms have never really gone away and
the tension has become much worse over the
years. As the years have passed and I've
seen more specialists, I've become skeptic
of TMJ dentists and think the whole thing
is a lot more complex than they know. I
did see one TMJ dentists in NM who seemed
to be in tune with my problem, but had
braces on at the time and he could not
make me a splint. He suggested I may have
to be on and off of muscle relaxant for
the rest of my life.
Other dentists and orthodontists thought
the tensions was because of an anterior
open bit and I had orthognathic surgery a
year and a half ago to fix the bite. The
spastic muscles did get better, but still
never completely went away.
Interestingly, I don't even think I grind
my teeth after my bite was corrected
(grinding had been a major problem
before). There is still tension though,
despite the fact that I am not clenching
my teeth.
I am now living in Oklahoma and just got a
splint from a dentist at OU's dental
school, but I am skeptic it will work. I
think the muscle spasms will just increase
on the splint. But my jaw is
uncomfortable without a splint? What the
hell should I do? Can anyone else relate
to my symptoms? I think most of the pain,
or discomfort, in my case comes from
muscles spasms and not from joint pain.
This problem has really screwed up my
life. From reading other TMJ accounts,
I'm sure many people can relate.
Has anyone had success with ibuprofen and
muscle relaxants for long term (not
short-term) relief of muscle tension?
Thanks a lot for your time guys. I'm
starting to face the fact that this
problem is going to be chronic and meeting
other facing the same problems is
comforting.
Sincerely,
Matt
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Tmddyan
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Posted: 12-31-07 15:18pm
Hey I replied tp your pm---we will get
this under control. I use ibuprophen and
at present flexeril(muscle relaxant) and i
have minimal success with the ibuprophen.
I prefer aleve--its longer lasting. If you
need anything let me know--you already
know how to get ahold of me
Im sad to hear that you had braces. that
very often is the cause of the problem or
if you have it to fix the problem it must
makes it worse.
so i look forward to talking with you you fellow post
fallian(is that what we would call
ourselves LOL)
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shammett1970
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Tmj Due to Muscle Tension Posted: 01-13-08 17:09pm
I too have tmj mostly due to muscle
tension. Thought it was just migraines
& neck pain until I actually started
having jaw pain May 2006 and even soft
foods were difficult to eat. Had
previously been seeing a neurologist for
the migraines but he wasn't much help.
The Imitrex worked great, but the topamax
did nothing but give me side effects.
Received a splint in June 2006 to wear
24/7. Received several adjustments until
the dentist thought I was ready to have
teeth "shaped" to fit together better. (I
was still getting headaches & didn't
feel I was ready so soon.) Sought a 2nd
opinion from an oral surgeon, he said
having teeth shaped would be fine, xrayed
joints & they were fine, said I mostly
had muscle tension due to stress &
clenching. Recommended walking a
15-minute mile at least 3x's/week to
relieve tension, also prescribed
anti-inflammatory & muscle relaxers
for a month. Now I only wear splint at
night & when I play my violin (which
doesn't help the tmj - the jaw pain
actually started right after I was
accepted to the newly formed local
symphony and we played our first concert).
I am probably going to quit playing
because of it. I also have pain in one
shoulder which I thought was mostly from
playing the violin but may also be related
to tmj. I still take the Imitrex even
though I realize my pain is from my jaw
and not a typical migraine (although I do
have the sensitivity to light and sound),
usually my jaw hurts first and my neck
muscles tighten, the joint in front of my
ear aches and extends into my temple and
lots of times even my eyeballs and teeth
ache. The imitrex takes all the pain away
though. Sometimes taking aleve will help
but not usually. What also helped a lot
was a tens unit I bought after being
treated with one at a chiropractor's
office. My unit was only $40 - I put the
electrodes on my cheeks/jaw and zapped
those muscles all night - it was actually
very relaxing. I went from taking 5-6
pills a month to only 2 pills for two
months in a row, and one of those months
included six symphony rehearsals and two
concerts. Then I developed a reaction to
the adhesive on the electrodes and had to
quit using them. I've been on the
internet and have ordered different
electrodes that I hopefully won't have a
problem with. I really need to get back
to walking as well because that also cut
my pill usage way down. Also, sleeping on
my side usually aggravates my jaw so I try
to sleep on my back, and sleeping in on
the weekends almost always leads to jaw
pain and a migraine pill. I also take a
sleep aid every night - I can't sleep
through the night without one. I was
taking tylenol pm (didn't need the tylenol
because aleve works better for the joint
pain), until I realized they sold the
sleep aid w/out the tylenol. I think
anyone that is diagnosed with migraines
should be checked for tmj problems,
because you can have it w/out actually
having pain in the joints. I also think
all tmj patients should be prescribed
imitrex, as tmj symptoms mimic migraine
syptoms, and the imitrex works wonders for
me. Hope this info helps someone! Oh, I
also see a chiropractor once a week -
starting going when I stood up one morning
from going to the bathroom and passed out
before I got to the door, attributed to
pain/pressure in my neck (this was about 6
months before being diagnosed w/tmj) and
the sudden drop in blood pressure from
standing up too fast. I've also noticed
that I can't "pop" my neck when my jaw
hurts from my neck muscles tightening so
much, and taking the Imitrex gets
everything to relax to where I can pop it
(even though I know I shouldn't). If
you're interested in seeing a chiropractor
make sure you choose one who is interested
in getting the correct curve back in your
neck, not just one people go to for a few
visits to "feel better". Losing the curve
in your neck stretches your spinal cord
and puts pressure on your brain stem,
which are the two things your brain uses
to tell everything in your body what to
do. Oh, and go to one that will take
before & after xrays. When I first
started going I had a slight reverse curve
in my neck, I no longer have that, I have
a slight curve going in the right
direction at least, but I still have a
ways to go. I'm not nearly as sick as I
used to be though, and neither is the rest
of my family (we all go once/week),
because your immune system is controlled
by your nervous system (brain, brain stem,
spinal cord, nerves to every part of your
body), and if you improve your nervous
system you will also improve your immune
system. Not everyone believes this but it
makes perfect sense to me. The medical
system can only treat symptoms for many
things they cannot cure (diabetes, high
blood pressure, etc.), but many people on
medication for these things are able to go
off their medicines once their spines are
correctly aligned. Don't put too much
trust in the medical system...after all,
they can't do anything for our tmj either,
you really need to see a tmj specialist -
and not just any dentist can treat it
either. Make sure they are experienced!!!
Oh, the oral surgeon also recommended
getting a massage once a week to help
relieve tension - which I was glad to
hear! I was already getting them after
nearly every symphony concert because I
hurt so bad, but I felt guilty about
spending the money. Now I had a doctor
prescribing me to have them!
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Tmddyan
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Posted: 01-14-08 13:29pm
why were you on topamax--that is an anti
seizure med. If you need any help let mek
n ow. and dont feel guilty about spending
money--thats what its for. if it makes
your life better spend it.
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shammett1970
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Topamax Posted: 01-14-08 16:03pm
The neurologist prescribed me topamax
because taken daily it's supposed to help
prevent migraines. Don't know why - but
it didn't do diddly squat for me. Maybe
people with non-tmj related migraines have
better luck with it.
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MaggieMay78
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Posted: 01-15-08 01:36am
Yes, Topamax is used for migraines
now...it's one of the most widely
prescribed and popular migraine drugs out
there. I tried it for a while, but it
didn't help me at all:(
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Tmddyan
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Posted: 01-15-08 14:32pm
huh thats interesting---cafergot is
supposed to be the best one for migrains.
topomax is used for seizures so i just
find it strange they would use it for
that.