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Q: True Or False? (ugh!)
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HeatherEM,
Hey, thanks for responding. I'll try to answer your post as thoroughly as possible by breaking it up into small sections...
Tough question! In a way, I don't have the slightest idea of how people will respond or even if they'll respond, therefore I have no expectations. Now, if I don't expect responses, then what's the point of posting on a forum? I could just as easily keep a personal diary and that would essentially be the same thing. I definitely wouldn't expect anything from my journal, but also the possibility that I'd get a response wouldn't exist, nor would the possibility that someone would read my journal. So, with that said, I guess we could agree that I expect there to be a possibility that someone will read my post and let me know what they think of it. Whether they do or not is beyond me and doesn't make a bit of difference to me. You see, it doesn't matter if someone reads my post or if they responds to my post. What matters, is that there's a possibility that they will do those things and it's only the possibility that I expect. Moreover, it's not either/or... it's the chance that it can be either/or, that I expect and that's precisely why I post. Anything further is just plain guessing and a pointless waste of a thought. Seriously, wouldn't one have better things to think about, then whatever someone on the other side of the world is "allegedly" thinking?
Nonsense.
Yes, some serial killers have and others did not. So?
I'm sure that nobody knows what schizophrenia is and it just so happened that my FD (that's Family Doctor) admitted it to be so. For instance: you break a leg while skateboarding and you're taken to the hospital. Once there, you undergo a series of procedures to determine the exact problem and the severity of it, once that's accomplished and the extent of the injury it fully examined and understood, they (the doctors and nurses) work together to fix your leg. They understand how it works, why it works, what happened, and how to fix it. Because of all this knowledge put together, a broken leg is understood for what it is and it is fix. Before you even know it, you're back on that skateboard and trying to imitate Tony Hawk.
Yeah, I've also heard of that theory and I've also heard "professional researchers" who have enough evidence to refute it.
Wow, slow down. What you wrote here, is strong evidence of your complete ignorance to what a mental illness, such as schizophrenia is -- You can't begin to pretend to explain your point by comparing something which is understood, with some that is not.
A little better.
One thing that I'm inclined to correct is: If no one ever demonstrated any off the symptoms, then we wouldn't be able to "observe" these symptoms.
I'm sorry... I can relate and it sucks, that's why I don't take my pills. Do some more search and you'll find that you'll have a hard time answering this question: Have you found evidence that the pills work to correct the supposed chemical imbalance? How so...? (be caution: I'm also capable of guessing and whatever comes to mind is guessing and doesn't hold much water...)
One reason why I wanted to kill myself, was because I became extremely depressed, by being under the impression that the doctor was right when he told me: "normal people aren't affected by anti-psychotic medication." and he went on to say: "the medication removes the psychotic thinking processes and places the person in a normal state-of-mind". So, I thought that I was finally realizing that I was mildly retarded or had some other form of brain deficiency; ex. I was drowsy, lacked motivation, couldn't concentrate, nor could I focus, etcetcetc... Come to think of it, it's almost as if the meds themselves somewhat cause a schizophrenic's erratic behavior.
Oh and I once read about a study which showed that the mentally ill who took their medication regularly, were oddly more likely to suffer a relapse then those who took a placebo. I don't think that this is nonsense, because I (what about yourself?) have an intimate experience with these types of drugs.
I'm here, because I believe that there's a chance that I will somehow further my knowledge of this "disease" and come to some sort of reasonable understanding of it. Notice, how I'm not refuting the possibility that there isn't "something". However, that something is not yet
understood. Fair enough?
I was told that I am schizophrenia, because I have all the symptoms that you've listed above. However, it's all about perspective. I'm the same sense, so are my posts on "homicide" and trying to kill an animal -- for example: I recently had a dream, in which a possessed cat was after me. When it turned on me, it leapt and I was quick enough to grab it by its head and prevent it from bitting me. This made its body disconnect from its head. Its body fell off and its head was still alive... trying to eat me! I immediately woke up, in my bedroom, drenched in cold sweat. Only I know, if there's a correlation between the two. You know nothing, except for what I present. You see, it's all about perspective and it's not too far removed from what goes on during the interactions between a patient and the mental health practitioner. Furthermore, what goes on during a mental evaluation is completely relative to each individuals purpose and understanding of the situation. Which brings me to this question: wouldn't a psychiatrist have a completely different understanding if they became mentally ill themselves? How would their understanding of mental illness change? Would it be beneficial? (~the lack of insight and at the same time there'd be an increase of another sort of insight...).
[Wow, it's been an hour!]
...There's much, much, much more and much more then that! I'm not going to continue, because I get the feeling that you're going to miss the most important points and nitpick the little less important stuff...ugh.
Some of those maybe normal. Others maybe exaggerated and others complete make-believe... It depends.
Actually, no - I don't think that there exists a soul who knows me, who would put me in the same category with axe-murderers, or Jason types.
But, then again... you never know. *heh*
LOL, I "seem" to be angry. Just think of the massive amounts of people, who would be diagnosed over the internet through special E-MEs! (~Electronic-Mental-Evaluations!). It would be a new epidemic!
[Heh, was the pun intended?
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If you're serious then you definitely have a much larger anger problem, hence, more susceptible to violence, then I am.
Btw, I'm not asking for help, because, frankly (I love this pseudonym) it's impossible for me to get it in real life, so how could I possibly expect a different outcome indirectly (so to speak).
Hey, thanks for responding. I'll try to answer your post as thoroughly as possible by breaking it up into small sections...
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| How do you expect people to respond to this? |
Tough question! In a way, I don't have the slightest idea of how people will respond or even if they'll respond, therefore I have no expectations. Now, if I don't expect responses, then what's the point of posting on a forum? I could just as easily keep a personal diary and that would essentially be the same thing. I definitely wouldn't expect anything from my journal, but also the possibility that I'd get a response wouldn't exist, nor would the possibility that someone would read my journal. So, with that said, I guess we could agree that I expect there to be a possibility that someone will read my post and let me know what they think of it. Whether they do or not is beyond me and doesn't make a bit of difference to me. You see, it doesn't matter if someone reads my post or if they responds to my post. What matters, is that there's a possibility that they will do those things and it's only the possibility that I expect. Moreover, it's not either/or... it's the chance that it can be either/or, that I expect and that's precisely why I post. Anything further is just plain guessing and a pointless waste of a thought. Seriously, wouldn't one have better things to think about, then whatever someone on the other side of the world is "allegedly" thinking?
Nonsense.
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| Do you realize that serial killers start with animals? |
Yes, some serial killers have and others did not. So?
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| And you think no one knows what schizophrenia is? Read the symptoms, THATS WHAT IT IS!! |
I'm sure that nobody knows what schizophrenia is and it just so happened that my FD (that's Family Doctor) admitted it to be so. For instance: you break a leg while skateboarding and you're taken to the hospital. Once there, you undergo a series of procedures to determine the exact problem and the severity of it, once that's accomplished and the extent of the injury it fully examined and understood, they (the doctors and nurses) work together to fix your leg. They understand how it works, why it works, what happened, and how to fix it. Because of all this knowledge put together, a broken leg is understood for what it is and it is fix. Before you even know it, you're back on that skateboard and trying to imitate Tony Hawk.
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| It is a brain condition in which your chemicals are not communicating with each other correctly. |
Yeah, I've also heard of that theory and I've also heard "professional researchers" who have enough evidence to refute it.
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| Why? We don't know? Why is the sky blue and the grass green? It just is, because when you google grass, it says GREEN. |
Wow, slow down. What you wrote here, is strong evidence of your complete ignorance to what a mental illness, such as schizophrenia is -- You can't begin to pretend to explain your point by comparing something which is understood, with some that is not.
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| If no one ever complained of all the symptoms, we wouldn't know about any of these mental conditions. But like I said in my last post, schizophrenia is inside your brain. We can't see it on the outside. It is very hard to put the pieces of the puzzle together. It's not as clear as a broken bone or a missing finger. |
A little better.
One thing that I'm inclined to correct is: If no one ever demonstrated any off the symptoms, then we wouldn't be able to "observe" these symptoms.
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| When I began my last medication, the first week after the dose got increased, I became suicidal again. Everytime my dose gets increased, I get suicidal. READ THE LABEL. It says you may feel better before you feel worse. Do not stop taking this medication. Seek safety and call 911 if you are feeling suicidal.
Hell, I had to move in with my dad for a few weeks when my dose got increased because I was too scared to be left alone for fear of what I would do. |
I'm sorry... I can relate and it sucks, that's why I don't take my pills. Do some more search and you'll find that you'll have a hard time answering this question: Have you found evidence that the pills work to correct the supposed chemical imbalance? How so...? (be caution: I'm also capable of guessing and whatever comes to mind is guessing and doesn't hold much water...)
One reason why I wanted to kill myself, was because I became extremely depressed, by being under the impression that the doctor was right when he told me: "normal people aren't affected by anti-psychotic medication." and he went on to say: "the medication removes the psychotic thinking processes and places the person in a normal state-of-mind". So, I thought that I was finally realizing that I was mildly retarded or had some other form of brain deficiency; ex. I was drowsy, lacked motivation, couldn't concentrate, nor could I focus, etcetcetc... Come to think of it, it's almost as if the meds themselves somewhat cause a schizophrenic's erratic behavior.
Oh and I once read about a study which showed that the mentally ill who took their medication regularly, were oddly more likely to suffer a relapse then those who took a placebo. I don't think that this is nonsense, because I (what about yourself?) have an intimate experience with these types of drugs.
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| But you do what you have to do. And if you post here about how bad it is and then diss society and researchers for not knowing what the disorder is and how you refuse to ever take meds again, why are you here? We want to encourage people to get help who WANT to be helped. Only you can help yourself sometimes. If you aren't willing to get help, then why are you here? |
I'm here, because I believe that there's a chance that I will somehow further my knowledge of this "disease" and come to some sort of reasonable understanding of it. Notice, how I'm not refuting the possibility that there isn't "something". However, that something is not yet
understood. Fair enough?
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| You may not be schizophrenic. Do you hear voices? Have delusions? Hallucinations? Do you make repetitive movements? |
I was told that I am schizophrenia, because I have all the symptoms that you've listed above. However, it's all about perspective. I'm the same sense, so are my posts on "homicide" and trying to kill an animal -- for example: I recently had a dream, in which a possessed cat was after me. When it turned on me, it leapt and I was quick enough to grab it by its head and prevent it from bitting me. This made its body disconnect from its head. Its body fell off and its head was still alive... trying to eat me! I immediately woke up, in my bedroom, drenched in cold sweat. Only I know, if there's a correlation between the two. You know nothing, except for what I present. You see, it's all about perspective and it's not too far removed from what goes on during the interactions between a patient and the mental health practitioner. Furthermore, what goes on during a mental evaluation is completely relative to each individuals purpose and understanding of the situation. Which brings me to this question: wouldn't a psychiatrist have a completely different understanding if they became mentally ill themselves? How would their understanding of mental illness change? Would it be beneficial? (~the lack of insight and at the same time there'd be an increase of another sort of insight...).
[Wow, it's been an hour!]
...There's much, much, much more and much more then that! I'm not going to continue, because I get the feeling that you're going to miss the most important points and nitpick the little less important stuff...ugh.
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| (Turn light switch off and on repeatedly, change the channel on the tv from 1 to 2 and back and forth non stop?) Do you wander around not knowing where you are or what's going on? Do you wear shorts when it's -30 outside? Do you wear a winter hat and mitts in the summer? |
Some of those maybe normal. Others maybe exaggerated and others complete make-believe... It depends.
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| If your symptoms are that of committing homicides, suicides, and animal cruelty, you probably have severe anger problems that need to be addressed. You can't go around with fascinations about killing people you don't know and injuring animals... |
Actually, no - I don't think that there exists a soul who knows me, who would put me in the same category with axe-murderers, or Jason types.
But, then again... you never know. *heh*
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| I would think you are anrgy, you seem to be. |
LOL, I "seem" to be angry. Just think of the massive amounts of people, who would be diagnosed over the internet through special E-MEs! (~Electronic-Mental-Evaluations!). It would be a new epidemic!
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| And to be quite frank, you are making me angry for wasting my time writing this when I'm sure you don't give a damn anyway. see, people do care and want to help, but do us all a favor... If you don't want help, don't ask for it... |
[Heh, was the pun intended?
]
If you're serious then you definitely have a much larger anger problem, hence, more susceptible to violence, then I am.
Btw, I'm not asking for help, because, frankly (I love this pseudonym) it's impossible for me to get it in real life, so how could I possibly expect a different outcome indirectly (so to speak).
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Frank QA
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Georgia59
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HeatherEM
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Frangible
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Pappy65
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Frank QA
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Frangible,
It has nothing to do with the name - it's what's inside that counts...
A...
1. Who doesn't.
2. One applies. Plus, the problem would be if I didn't recognize them as such.
3. Who doesn't want to master their own mind.
4. I'm sure there are people who've had it worse.
5. It comes and goes. Meaning: there are days when I'll call up an old friend and we'll go to a bar, play some pool and enjoy ourselves.
It feels that the belief in this disease, is a large part of the problem. The placebo effect is a real phenomenon.
yeah... some Ritalin (speed) may help and maybe some strong painkillers, to go with it. It would make me feel great...short term of course.
Anti-psychotic meds work in a very funny way.
"Mental" illness, eh?
Sounds like you're also describing "panic".
Well said.
Maybe mental illness is the evolution of the mind? I find that "some" people with mental illness are much smarter then those who are normal.
You have gotta understand: mental illness that not equal a dysfunction of the brain.
Pappy65 - couldn't you make your own thread? ...Isn't Lithium used to treat mood disorders...?
Please people, I don't mean to sound rude and seemingly ungrateful, it's just, I'd rather you all "read" all my posts, before further posting replies. Thank you.
Nonetheless, your replies are still interesting.
Thank you.
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| If you dislike the term schizophrenia, focus on what you know to be true for yourself. |
It has nothing to do with the name - it's what's inside that counts...
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| 1. You know you're unhappy and feel frustrated.
2. You know you've had dark thoughts, recognized them as such, and sound like... These impulses are more likely to hurt you than benefit you. 3. you want to master your own mind better. 4. You know you had a difficult childhood and have a lot of stuff going on in your life that could be causing or worsening many of these things. 5. You know you want to gain freedom from these things, but so far have been unable to. You did go to a doctor and tried at least one medication. |
A...
1. Who doesn't.
2. One applies. Plus, the problem would be if I didn't recognize them as such.
3. Who doesn't want to master their own mind.
4. I'm sure there are people who've had it worse.
5. It comes and goes. Meaning: there are days when I'll call up an old friend and we'll go to a bar, play some pool and enjoy ourselves.
It feels that the belief in this disease, is a large part of the problem. The placebo effect is a real phenomenon.
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| The medication made things worse for you. That is unfortunate. But the possibility exists that some other medication may make things better for you. |
yeah... some Ritalin (speed) may help and maybe some strong painkillers, to go with it. It would make me feel great...short term of course.
Anti-psychotic meds work in a very funny way.
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| In addition to a variety of medications, one of which may help you, there are behavioral interventions and therapy that reduce the symptoms of what you experience that you dislike and be of benefit to you. |
"Mental" illness, eh?
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| As to what schizophrenia really is, it appears to be a desynchronization of intensity of activity and communication between regions of the brain, principally involving glutamate systems according to the latest research. |
Sounds like you're also describing "panic".
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| Ideally, medication should resolve both positive (hallucinations, delusions, intrusive thoughts) symptoms and negative ones (flattened affect, amotivation, etc), with behavioral therapies also reducing these things further, giving you increased control over and access to your brain's natural capabilities and the freedom to use them as you desire. Treatment is not about forcing you to conform to something you don't want, it is about giving you the freedom to make choices for yourself without having those choices restricted or eliminated by the severe symptoms. |
Well said.
Maybe mental illness is the evolution of the mind? I find that "some" people with mental illness are much smarter then those who are normal.
You have gotta understand: mental illness that not equal a dysfunction of the brain.
Pappy65 - couldn't you make your own thread? ...Isn't Lithium used to treat mood disorders...?
Please people, I don't mean to sound rude and seemingly ungrateful, it's just, I'd rather you all "read" all my posts, before further posting replies. Thank you.
Nonetheless, your replies are still interesting.
Thank you.
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