if gingivitis (that is gums inflamationa) is not treated it converts to periodontitis ( that is loss of attachment (periodontal ligament and bone) ) both are produce because plaque (bacteria foods) has not been removed in those areas daily . if plaque was not revomed it calcify and form calculus ,it goes deeper into your pockets between the gum and the teeth and it cause inflamation only your dentist can remove this calculus . those prducts you are using does not work if your dentist do not remove this calculus if your pockets are more than 3 mm deep probably you need periodontal surgery .I recomend to you a periodoncist and practice good oral hygiene (flossing and brushing at least 2 times daily) to keep plaque in a very low percent. good luck and remember that treatment depends in how well you follow thw instructions

Postfetalphase,

I have periodontitis and through treatment from periodontist AND my own treatment I've cobbled together from various sources, my pockets have gone from 4-5, and 6-7 mm, to under 3.

I've read there's no cure for periodontitis, but it can be improved and controlled. I will probably have gum graft surgery, but it's not urgent.

Go to www.albrite.com. It's the website of Vas Gardiakos who sells the periodontitis self-help book The Smile Method. I've read it and though I haven't followed it to the letter, I've learned and applied much from it and my condition has radically improved. Mr. Gardiakos has never had the surgery in the 25 since his diagnosis of perio. He sells a very good tool called the vitapik that disinfects periodontal pockets.

Descriptions of periodontitis from dentists and others in my opinion is unnecessarily pessimistic and alarming.

There are many ways to start improving your situation. The first step is learning. I'd recommend to you take a look at the above website. But it's important to get your teeth cleaned at the dentist 3 - 4 times a year too.

idiopathic12/James

Instead of using so many products the safety of which may not be confirmed since you categorize them under the heading of "natural" just follow this simple steps.

1. Brush your teeth 2 times a day
2. Floss every day or at a maximum after 48 hours
3. Do not brush to hard as this causes gum recession.
4. Use a mouth wash for 2 weeks twice daily and then leave it after 2 weeks otherwise you will decolorize your teeth.
5. Make user you are getting enough calcium and more importantly Vitamin D because most people do not get enough Vitamin D. The preferable way of getting the Vitamin is to expose yourself to the sun for 1 to 2 hours a day. If that is not possible then you should take vitamin D supplements.
6. And always rinse your mouth after every meal.

That was what I was told to do.

All you have to do is just get yourself an irrigator (I use Waterpik) and fill it with a solution of peroxide and baking soda and use it daily and your gum problems and bleeding will be GONE in about a week.....GUARANTEED.

ps. just make sure you FLUSH the irrigator with clear water each time afterwards so you don't ruin it.

If you are of school age then your mother can go as mad as she wants but she must accept responsibility for your dental care and in any case, is it not free if you are still a minor? You should be having check ups every six months, not yearly, and more if you need to see a hygienist, which you do if you have gingivitis.

Good luck.