That's a very interesting study and webpage. I also did not know that there was a minority page and a majority page like that. Thank you for posting it.

I read a little ways down on the minority page and found the article that states that any attempt to change the pattern of global warming as it continues to unfold is "futile" and the UN should..."equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation." I'll leave it up to whomever to interpret that as they may.

Yeah, there's a lot of information on it. I haven't read all of it yet myself; it's a several day process or I just get over loaded XD

Very Interesting, Eiri. I had heard of this before, but was unsure if it was legit.

I still think the 'green' movement is a good one. It can't be good for us to be spouting out all those toxins in the air... why not find alternatives?

Amen to that.

The climate of this planet has changed many many times over its history; the latest 'ice age' occured in medieval europe; now we are on a warming trend; again that happens alot too.
I found a great web site Here about climate change from a very reputable source. I think going green; conserving our resources; using renewable resources; using the sun and wind for power are all great ideas. Lets keep our planet green.

Oh I agree we should be looking for alternatives. We just don't need to waste money forcing people to reduce emissions. We should do it anyway, but I heard a nasty rumor that the green movement intended to redistribute the world's money somehow. Don't know if I believe it but throwing it out there. I'd need more research and proof of that.

There are interesting facts about Kyoto and the countries involved. From what I've seen, the countries that signed have actually increased their CO2 emissions the most since the singing, and America has increased less!

Neat site Jinks!!

EXACTLY

I just had a conversation about this this morning with my mother who is never really much of an alarmist, but apparantly she has been up for a couple of days, unable to sleep because she is thinking about how drastically we would have to change to create the impact needed to reverse this process. She believes, as i do, that many many people will simply be unwilling to make the changes needed, which will indeed be sweeping and drastic and by the time people are ready to come around, it will be far too late. I ssadly imagine an apocyliptic (sp??) future where those who have FOOD are the ones who are wealthy, while those unable to eek out an existence will panic and begin looting, killing, and rioting to get what they need. I am very sad, because I believe this is the inevitable path if people don't take some serious steps away from the present course. Unfortunately, I don't have much faith in mankind from what i have seen thus far. I feel sad that my children will have a very different future from what we have had in the past century.

Doesn't it blow your mid how many changes have occurred in the last 200 years as far as automation and technology that has brought people so far away from the simplest survival issues such as the ability to grow one's own food and preserve it, how to find water, how to cook over a fire, etc etc? It's mind boggling to me.

that's really too bad about your mom. i know where she is coming from though. it seems so hopeless sometimes. i read this awesome book by david suzuki. i seriuosly can't recommend it enough. it's about finding hope in this situation. i adore david suzuki. the book is called sacred balance. i found an exerpt here:

http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/seminars/su zuki.htm

do you guys know suzuki in the states? oprah needs to put him on her show, if he would give her the time of day, lol.

anyhoo, check it out.

ps sorry bout my typing i have a silly baby in my lap.

I will have to check that out. thanks!

did anyone ever read that link?