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Posted: 12-23-07 10:15am
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I don't think there should be cable TV in
prison. I think there should be old
fashioned TV with four news channels and
perhaps educational channels like
Discovery, etc. No MTV. Not anything like
that. If they watch TV, they're going to
learn something.
They also will not have full gyms. They
will not be allowed to body-build. They
will be able to participate in normal,
cardiovascular exercise necessary for a
healthy body. The food should be what's
necessary to maintain their bodies at a
healthy weight.
They will spend much of their day becoming
educated. Not in how to hotwire or
anything like that. Half their education
should be in a vocation; the other half
should help them finish their highschool
degree or start on a college degree. There
should be a prison-to-college scholarship
program. I'm sure there's already a
program to help them get a job out of
prison; if this program is not mandatory
it should be made so.
I still feel multiple offenders in lethal
preventable accidents like drunk driving
or drug deaths should be put to death
after serious repeated rehab fails.
Clearly, that person is not going to
change. If they are kept free they will
cause more death. If they are kept in
prison then the families of his victims
are just paying to keep him alive. This
person deserves to die to pay for the
multiple repeated PREVENTABLE deaths he
caused. He's almost worse than a
cold-blooded killer.
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Posted: 12-23-07 13:10pm
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| Eiri
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I would say fry if they are multiple
offenders. You ARE in your right mind when
you start drinking and if you've done it
before, you know you may do it again. You
need to take responsibility for yourself
when you're sober and suck up to the
actions you commit when drunk. You CHOOSE
to get drunk so yeah, you should be
responsible for actions you do when
drunk. |
Information on alcohol dependence: http://www.b
ma-wellness.com/addictions/Alcohol.html Just FYI.
| Cambion
wrote: | I am all for the death
penalty, but part of me wishes that those
accused of multiple counts of m*rder and
rape should be slowly tortured to death
for a set number of years...
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Something for consideration would be the
psychological torture of being on death
row. I am sure that is not a walk in the
park.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 12-23-07 13:27pm
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I added to a later post "Repeat offenders
after MULTIPLE rehabilitation attempts".
I'm all for rehab, but some people don't
want to be "cured". I don't think those
people should get away with murders
just because they have a disease.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 12-23-07 14:22pm
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I've said this before, but I can tell you
there is a greater power in forgiveness
than you can ever imagine. It frees you
and suddenly weight lifts off of your body
and you can breathe again. It doesn't
make things OK, It just means that you can
set down the anger and bad feelings and
move on with your life. I believe in
this.
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Roberta777
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Posted: 12-23-07 18:31pm
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that a person deserves to be put to death
for a terrible crime, a crime where they
took another life, and deliberately and
sometimes horribly, I feel that for us to
in turn take their life by keeping them in
a cage, pretty much isolated I can imagine
and certainly away from the other prison
population, it is a lot for them to think
about. My point all along.
If after years and years, appeals and more
appeals, finally their time runs out.
For us as a society to feel we have the
right to go right back in there and now
take that person's life, it makes us just
like the person who committed the crime in
the first place.
To deliberately take another life is
exactly what the death penalty does. Set
up a time and a place, have people outside
the viewing area for the entire freak
show.
Jincks has shown to me a lot of humanity
and understanding of what really goes on
inside a prison. People make mistakes.
Not all of them are in there for child
molestation, robbery, drugs. They are in
there because of some very serious things
they have done.
People learn from their mistakes. I am
not sure that capital punishment is going
to make our world any better. In fact, it
just shows how little we really care about
each other.
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Posted: 12-23-07 18:45pm
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What I won't ever understand is the fact
that people who have done really horrible
things and get the death penalty for it
have better deaths than a whole mass of
really good people. It's almost like this
world doesn't make any sense.
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Roberta777
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My Daughter
Posted: 12-23-07 18:57pm
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Actually works at a college in California
where she deals with a lot of people who
have been in and out of prison. She is in
charge of grants. Many do go for their
degrees while in there. There has to be a
lot of free time.
I do agree with Eiri that maybe we don't
necessarily need to give them Starband
with 100 movie channels.
But, at the end of the day, they are in
there. Period. We have our freedom.
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Posted: 12-23-07 18:58pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | I don't think there should
be cable TV in prison. I think there
should be old fashioned TV with four news
channels and perhaps educational channels
like Discovery, etc. No MTV. Not anything
like that. If they watch TV, they're going
to learn
something. |
Actually MTV is banned in the states I've
worked corrections in. Some of the content
is deemed counterproductive to
rehabilitation, some of it supports or
contributes to gang violence; think
tupac's "cop killer" here. Really
counterproductive.
| Eiri
wrote: | | They also will not have full
gyms. They will not be allowed to
body-build. They will be able to
participate in normal, cardiovascular
exercise necessary for a healthy body. The
food should be what's necessary to
maintain their bodies at a healthy
weight. |
Who decided they all have full gyms? I'd
invite them to take a real look around at
some of the newer prisons where 'gyms' are
tiny sets of cable/pully machines on tiny
yards not capable of holding the full
unit's worth of inmates on the yard at the
same time.
Proof please.
| Eiri
wrote: | | They will spend much of
their day becoming educated. Not in how to
hotwire or anything like that. Half their
education should be in a vocation; the
other half should help them finish their
highschool degree or start on a college
degree. There should be a
prison-to-college scholarship program. I'm
sure there's already a program to help
them get a job out of prison; if this
program is not mandatory it should be made
so. |
| Eiri
wrote: | | I still feel multiple
offenders in lethal preventable accidents
like drunk driving or drug deaths should
be put to death after serious repeated
rehab fails. Clearly, that person is not
going to change. If they are kept free
they will cause more death. If they are
kept in prison then the families of his
victims are just paying to keep him alive.
This person deserves to die to pay for the
multiple repeated PREVENTABLE deaths he
caused. He's almost worse than a
cold-blooded
killer. |
Ok.. are you going to foot the bill for
it? That will be $24 million for each
person you want to die.
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Sillyachick
Posted: 12-23-07 19:03pm
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You are so right on. To forgive gives us
new life. A life without hate. Carrying
around that is so toxic and just damages
us.
Merry Christmas!
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Birch
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Posted: 12-23-07 19:32pm
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I wonder how many people here who talk
about what's inside a prison have actually
looked inside a prison. It sounds like a
lot of what's being talked about are
people's assumptions on what prison is
like.
Too much TV.
I recommend reading "Dead Man Walking".
It's a very interesting book with many
statistics and a real account of death
row.
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Roberta777
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Right Birch
Posted: 12-23-07 20:27pm
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For most of us it is assumption. All that
I know is we keep building more and more
prisons in California. Keep putting more
and more people away. We have to go back
to why this is not working. Prevention.
Education. Put the money in to help
people who have the problems in the
beginning. It has to start somewhere.
It is never too late to say that we need
to focuse on the problem with children who
are abused, not loved, with parents who
have major problems themselves. Also, I
must say, for Social Services who
sometimes admit they are just overwhelmed
and sometimes miss things. Please. That
is not an excuse. Children die, spouses
die from this oversight. Check out San
Luis Obispo, Psychiatrist kills wife, his
child and himself.
It is like a small tumor that grows into a
major malignacy. Treat the problem sooner
rather than later.
I would actually vote for you to be the
person in charge of websites that give
pertinent information. You have your
ducks in a row.
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Posted: 12-24-07 01:58am
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| sillyakchick
wrote: | | I've said this before, but I
can tell you there is a greater power in
forgiveness than you can ever imagine. It
frees you and suddenly weight lifts off of
your body and you can breathe again. It
doesn't make things OK, It just means that
you can set down the anger and bad
feelings and move on with your life. I
believe in
this. |
Amen!
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Posted: 01-28-08 19:36pm
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i've been having a read of the death
penalty info website that was posted. what
is it that makes executions so much more
costly to the taxpayer than life
imprisonment? i don't understand that - i
thought it would be the other way around.
if anyone could enlighten me i'd be very
appreciative!
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Posted: 01-29-08 07:49am
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If I have a inmate in my unit for life I
only have to be concerned with day to day
security. Normal staffing and response
staff if I have an emergency.
If I have an execution I need extra staff;
I have to lock down the prison two days
prior to the execution; I have to bring in
tactical teams to keep control and keep
those pesky protestors outside the walls;
extra cops to keep order outside the
walls; the cost of the execution; the cost
of the executioner; the cost of the
attending medical examiner; and that just
the few days before.
The trials cost more the many appeals cost
a great deal more then the standard
appeal. That is why the death penalty cost
so much more.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-29-08 10:48am
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Cost or not, I still believe some people
deserve to die. It's not just about the
cost to me. It's about removing these
people from society. Permanently.
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Posted: 01-29-08 11:30am
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Has anyone followed the Timothy Masters
case? He wasn't on death row, but he was
sentenced to life for murdering and
mutilating a 30 something year old woman.
Genetic evidence and the fact that the
prosecution with held evidence during his
trial have made the courts overturn his
guilty verdict. It's a good thing that
they didn't execute him before they found
this out (I know he was sentenced to life,
not death but I hope you can see my point
here). This is why I can't be for the
death penalty. Also, on a seperate note,
this guy was 15 yeaars old at the tie of
the crime, and by the time they arrested
him he was an adult. Should he have been
tried as an adult or juvenile because the
crime was supposedly committed when he was
15.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/ma
sters.case/index.html
Right here in my home town even.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-29-08 17:54pm
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I personally feel you can't use cases
where the person was put in jail before
modern investigation techniques were
invented that now prove them innocent. I
just don't think there's any comparison.
I wonder what the rates of incorrect
convictions are now compared to in the
past.
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Posted: 01-29-08 18:06pm
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[quote="Eiri"]I am for the death penalty
in cases like a mass-murderer,
or a child killer, or mothers who kill
their own born children in cars and tubs,
or in cases where the victim was tortured
to death, etc. True cold-blooded people
like that don't deserve to be alive; they
had their chance and used their life to
kill others.[/quote
I concur..Eiri is right on here...
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Posted: 01-29-08 20:03pm
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Yes, but how can you be 100% sure the
person you are executing is the truly
guilty party?
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