Jincks013
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Posted: 01-08-08 07:51am
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| yodavater
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| sillyakchick
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What about the case of rape? How would
this be handled? Would this women be
taken at her word that she does not want
to carry a child conceived in rape? Or,
would she have to prove the
rape? |
IMO, there should not be a rape or incest
exception. An innocent bystander should
not be executed for either of those
crimes. |
You are kidding right?
Rape is the worst violation of self I know
of.
To force a woman to gestate a pregnancy
concieved in rape is nothing more then
torture.
I hope you are there to prate your stance
to her family when the woman commits
suicide because she hates what she bears
and refuses to birth it.. not that her
mental or emotional health ever matter to
you ; after all she's only a walking
incubator to you, deserving your contempt
and control right?
Your stance disgusts me.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-10-08 16:53pm
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| diamondsz
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If I walk away from a loved one (always
going to have a reason) and I feel guilt
does that mean I am mentally ill?
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Walking away from someone isn't in the
same category as killing someone.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-10-08 16:57pm
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| Birch
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Do you have to go see a qualified
physician if your life is in danger?
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I believe such a professional would be the
most qualified to determine that, yes.
| Birch
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I would like to know more why you think
abortion contributes to mental illnesses.
Your concept that "guilt, remorse, regret,
etc." does so is typical of those
uneducated in the etiology of mental
illness. |
I'm not sure about the proper terminology,
so I'll just say that I've read some women
do experience the emotions I mentioned.
While they may not constitute a "mental
illness" per se, they do constitute
emotional problems.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-10-08 16:59pm
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[quote="Jincks013"]
You are kidding right? Rape is the worst
violation of self I know of.
[/qwuote]
You're killing another strawman. My
statement is that rape and incest are the
only two crimes for which an innocent
bystander is sometimes executed, and I
stand by that statement.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-10-08 21:09pm
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| yodavater
wrote: | | diamondsz
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If I walk away from a loved one (always
going to have a reason) and I feel guilt
does that mean I am mentally ill?
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Walking away from someone isn't in the
same category as killing
someone. |
When I see a pregnant woman kill someone
in an abortion clinic I'll be sure to call
the cops.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 01-11-08 08:01am
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[quote="yodavater"] | Jincks013
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You are kidding right? Rape is the worst
violation of self I know of.
[/qwuote]
You're killing another strawman. My
statement is that rape and incest are the
only two crimes for which an innocent
bystander is sometimes executed, and I
stand by that
statement. |
Who is this innocent bystander? You are
advocating the forced gestation of a rape
concieved pregnancy. There is no innocent
bystander.
Only your desire to control that which you
refuse to understand and are jealous of...
womens reproductive choices.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-14-08 11:03am
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| yodavater
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You're killing another strawman. My
statement is that rape and incest are the
only two crimes for which an innocent
bystander is sometimes executed, and I
stand by that
statement. |
| Jincks013
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Who is this innocent bystander?
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The baby.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 01-14-08 11:54am
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| yodavater
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IMO, there should not be a rape or incest
exception. An innocent bystander should
not be executed for either of those
crimes. |
Good to know you support raping women and
little girls twice. You do realize that
the forced usage of one's body is a form
of rape as well as slavery, don't you?
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-17-08 17:19pm
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| Darkmoon
wrote: | | yodavater
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IMO, there should not be a rape or incest
exception. An innocent bystander should
not be executed for either of those
crimes. |
You do realize that the forced usage of
one's body is a form of rape as well as
slavery, don't
you? |
Your quarrel is with mother nature, then.
Mother nature sets the conditions of
reproduction for our species, prolifers
just ask that we not kill anyone because
of the conditions that mother nature
imposes on women.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-17-08 17:26pm
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And all women should not be forced to give
birth just because they happen to be the
gender capable of becoming pregnant.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-17-08 17:28pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | And all women should not be
forced to give birth just because they
happen to be the gender capable of
becoming
pregnant. |
All pregnant women will "give birth"
sooner or later. Giving birth is just the
removal of the unborn human. It can be a
live birth, or a still one.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-17-08 17:53pm
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No, not all pregnant women will give
birth. Even without artificial abortion,
most - if not all - women will miscarry
once in their life. A miscarriage is not a
birth. On top of that, if we do include
abortion, about half of women will abort -
and not give birth.
So no. All pregnant women do not
"give birth" sooner or later.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-21-08 13:51pm
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| Eiri
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So no. All pregnant women do not
"give birth" sooner or
later. |
Yes, they do:
Main Entry: 1birth Function: noun1 a :
the emergence of a new individual from the
body of its parent b : the act or process
of bringing forth young from the womb http://www.m-w.com/dictionar
y/birth
Note that it does not say "alive" or
"dead"?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-21-08 13:59pm
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Silly yoda. I could find one that DOES.
Let's stop playing with dictionaries,
shall we?
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-21-08 14:11pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Silly yoda. I could find one
that DOES. Let's stop playing with
dictionaries, shall
we? |
Then by all means do so. And do you know
what it would mean if you did?
It would mean that there is more than one
valid usage of that word. It would not
mean that either of the dictionaries was
"wrong".
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-21-08 14:36pm
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Yoda, if we can all look around and find
dictionaries that suit our own needs,
don't you understand that they are all
negating themselves? Please, try to debate
with something other than a dictionary.
It's a thin veil that has completely torn
in two, yet you're still trying to hide
behind it. It's not working. You've
revealed your true lack of original, solid
ideas. All you can do is quote a
dictionary. You have no material of your
own. I'm sorry. Debating with you is
pretty much useless. I feel like I'm
trying to explain to a newbie on HALO why
they can't play with the expert players
yet...
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-24-08 13:15pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Yoda, if we can all look
around and find dictionaries that suit our
own needs, don't you understand that they
are all negating themselves?
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That's my whole point..... they do NOT
"negate" themselves. NO definition is
EVER "negated". Multiple definitions (of
the same word) are the rule, not the
exception. "Post", for example, can be a
wooden pole, a place where a guard stays,
or an email letter. Do those definitions
"NEGATE" each other?
No one is claiming that any particular
definition is the "most popular"
definition, or the "most commonly used",
or whatever you seem to think. So ANY
definition that is found in a reputable
dictionary IS a valid definition.
But the MAIN point is that you and those
on your side keep making idiotic claims
that certain definitions do NOT exist.....
for example, when you say "a fetus is not
a baby". That is a claim that there is NO
definition of the word baby that refers to
a human fetus.
And such claims can easily be refuted by
quoting and linking ONE SINGLE DEFINITION
of the word "baby" that DOES REFER to a
human fetus. After that, it doesn't
matter how may other definitions of that
word you post, the RELEVANT one has
already been found!
But of course, I can understand how it
pains you for me to post such definitions
that directly contradict your negative
claims, and how you wish I would cease and
desist to prove you wrong so often.
Sorry, I can't accommodate you there.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-24-08 13:21pm
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::Bangs head against a wall and gets
better results than from talking to Yoda::
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Jincks013
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Posted: 01-25-08 23:52pm
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there is no baby yoda.At the earliest this
would be a fertilized ovum; not yet
attached to the uterine wall so there is
no pregnancy as yet.. so again.. who is
this innocent bystander??
Being that you are so big on definitions a
bystander is:
bystander
Main Entry: by·stand·er
Pronunciation: \ˈbī-ˌstan-dər\
Function: noun
Date: 1584
: one present but not taking part in a
situation or event : a chance spectator
So again..who is this innocent bystander
you speak of?
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-27-08 14:49pm
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| Jincks013
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So again..who is this innocent bystander
you speak of? |
The unborn baby.
Abortions for victims of rape and incest
are not performed on zygotes. No woman
can even detect a zygote. When the zygote
implants, it is called an embryo. And
most abortions take place around 8 to 10
weeks after fertilization, when it is a
"baby".
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