well, he is a murderer because he is murdering.. criminal? not if the law says he can do it..

To provide a balanced view, http://www.drtiller.com/

I think we chatted about him before on this forum...oh, no, maybe that was a different one.

Dr. Tiller follows the law. He provides elective abortions up until it is illegal, as well as abortions for fetal abnormalities. The prolife groups would be better off lobbying for judicial change instead of turning someone into a scapegoat for practicing medicine legally.

Incidentally, he has been shot twice by "pro life" advocates.

On the site it said that the one baby to survive an abortion by Tiller was born in the clinic parking lot and left there a whole night to die. Can anyone say libel?

Yeah, there was also a bit about Tiller having dead babies in his fridge next to his lunch...I find that hard to believe!

"well he is a homicide..." Homicide is an action defined by the state and so one can not be a "homicide". ".... becuase he is murdering..." No again homicide is defined by law and Dr. Tiller does not homicide anyone.

The anti choice crowd knows that they will never sell a total abortion ban to the american people. Every woman that has an abortion has family and friends every one of us could be in the posistion of having a wife, daughter, mother or friend that needs this service. No one want so risk the life and well being of the women we love to satisfy a small group of zealots.

So they attack the providers. Dr. Tiller and Dr. Hern of Colorado are the only two I believe that offer late term services.

Dr Tiller follows the law. The clinic gets a second oppinon as required by law. Most of the late term patients are refered by other physiscians or geneticists. (amounting in most cases of a third oppinion).

Yes Dr. Tiller was shot twice (in the same incident) by shelly shannon. The clinic was also bombed. There have numerous vandal attacks the last this July resulting in tens of thousands of dollars damage.

The clinic staff is followed and harrased by these self apointed morals police.
the clinics vendors are harrased. And yet the clinic has stayed open. It has expanded and improved. The medical care is excellent. The staffs morale is good and the turn over is much lower than at most medical facilities. Many staff members having been there for tein or more years and several twenty and thirty plus.

The clinic recieves great feed back from the vast majority of the patients that have been seen.


the clinic is under constant attack. The clinic fights back using all the resources the law allows. It will remain open. Enuendo is the only weapon the anti choice crowd has. However as Dr. Tillers sign says: "Women need abortions, and I will provide them"

He is a dedicated, strong man, who will go the distance. He cares greatly about the patients and their families. His staff is dedicated and steady.

The Clinics motto is TRUST WOMEN and that is what it is all about trusting women to use their experience their knowledge of their circumstances and their own heart to make their own decisions . It is about trusting women to decide with their families what is best in their unique situation. It is about trusting women to use their brains to make their decisions.

The abortion debate is about women and the right of women to control when and how something can attach and use that body. It is about the right of women to bodily atonamy. there are those who trust women to make the best decision in these regards based on their unique situation and there are those that want to decide for the woman that she will gestate to term even against her expressed desire and regardless of her circumstances.

Dr. Tiller is for trusting the woman to make her choice, those who attack him are for enforcing their decisions on women they do not even know.

I should intoduce myself to some extent. My information comes from the fact that I work at the clinic and I know Dr. Tiller personally. He is a good decent man who has kept his marriage intact and raised his children sucessfully. He is generous and caring. And above all he puts the needs of his patients above himself. He is courageous and dedicated. I am honored to know him along with the other docs and staff.

Wow.

What a terrifying work environment. What's the community/police support like?

j.r.

Never happened. Which is why you do not provide a sourceI susspect. As I said enuendo is the anti choices only weapon against Dr. Tiller. If you are going to make these kind of statements you may want to provide a source other wise you are simply passing along gossip (don't know if you are religious but I think that is a sin for xians is it not)

FYI

We have a fully equiped staff lounge with a full sized refridgerator for everyones lunces. We also have several small refridgerators in the waiting rooms for those patients that bring juice or sodas.

The lab is self contained and I can assure evryone that no lunches or anything else no pertinaent to the lab is kept there.

There was a new law passed that requires all out patient surgeries in Kansas to be inspected. We passed ours with flying colors. I would guess they opened all the refriderators.

Libel is anything that is written with the intent of misrepresenting an event or damaging someones reputation. I pulled that info off of the Tiller the killer site. I agree with you sissis, I was saying that it was complete B.S.

For the most part it is fair. I think that the police tend to give the protestors what they want just to shut them up unless we specifacally lodge a complaint. The neighbors call the police more than we do becuase the protestors anoy them.

They are irritating becuase they tend to step infront of the staffs cars frequently and refuse to move. (this is in the driveway) . There is lots of name calling at us and the patients. Once the ptients are in the parking lot we provide armed security.

For the most part we ignore them. That said we do keep track of them. And we know the heavy hitters.

Some of our regulars are a man convicted of domestic violence with his first wifwife. arrested a few years ago when someone in his home called the police to report he was physically abuseing his young son and a twice divorced catholic who thinks he is the ultimate judge of what a good catholic is. A woman who was convicted in a conspiracy to bomb a clinic ina large medical complex along with her husband (both of whom were susspects in two actual bombings but never brought to trial) a woamn convicted of a string of arson fires (six). Several of those who have signed the justifiable homicide document and several supporters of paul hill.

In the past we have had a convicted rapist of a minor. a paint huffer who had lost way to many of his brain cells, the author of the nurenburg files and the sad case that was on the HBO documentary about the army of god and who wanted to be a Doctor assasin.

J.R I am sorry. I should have read your post more carefully. My fault.

Oh wow, that's a really spooky coincidence that I just posted about Tiller and a newbie here works with him...I've got shivers! Well I suppose you're the best person to have on this thread!

And what was his explanation about christin gilbert?
Not saying i agree with clinic violence and terrorism i am genuinly intrested in the explanation as to why vital information was with held from the emergency services by your co workers that cost christin gilbert her life?

Just for the record i think clinic violence isdisgusting andthe perpatrators should all be serving life.

[quote="sistersister"]"well he is a homicide..." Homicide is an action defined by the state and so one can not be a "homicide". ".... becuase he is murdering..." No again homicide is defined by law and Dr. Tiller does not homicide anyone. [quote]

Actually, homicide, just as suicide, regicide, fratricide, matricide, can denote the person who commits the action, aside from the action itself.

Tht is quite an astonishing coincidence! Nice to have the view of someone who works right there. I imagine you have a good first hand view of some of the things we talk about. It's nice to have you on the boards.

As to Christin Gilbert

Read the autopsy report completely. Christin died of an infectin that she came in with. It was an infection that was not affected by the prophylatic antibiotics all women are placed on. The infection originated in her lungs. The infection was not the result of her abortion. However any surgical procedure places strain on the body and as such can cause the infection to win out over a stressed out immune system. This is why the Dr. and clinic were cleared after a grand jury hearing and an investigation. Of course the antis would rather allude to some vast conspiracy even on some posts making disgustion enuendo about the girls father (becuase the family did not want anything to do with the antis and most certianly did not want to be used by them.

The clinic staff knew Christin and her family. The clinic staff was devastated by her death. It was the first death in over thirty years and one we are so sorry to have happened under any circumstances.

As too the 911 call. We tell the ambulance not to use sirens as if they do the antis at the gate rush to the drive way which blocks it and causes delays in care getting to the patient. You do not have to take my word for that just look at the pictures they have taken and posted frome the driveway.

We use ambulances when we send patientss into the hospital for x-rays and tests. A woman in active labor is not someone you want to toss intothe back seat of a car. Every time we have had to send a patient out the antis scream "botched" abortion. The truth is that they are hopeing for someone to die so that they can use it to promote their agenda. And we are very careful to make sure nothing like this ever happens again to a girl, her family and those who got to know her.

One might also consider that all complications are written in the patients charts and sent to the state. If we had done something to cause this young womans death having an ambulance turn off its siren would have done nothing to keep it from coming out.

So once agin Miss Gibert did not die becuase the ambulance was asked to keep its siren off. No emergency care was with held by my co workers. As soon as the family brought her back intot he clinic everything possible was done based on our information of her circumstances. The Doctor himself went to the emergency room with the family and patient.

I repeat take the time to read the entire autopsy report. Then come back and tell me what vital information was with held from the emercency workers. That she had had an abortion? We are not only an abortion clinic but we are well known so that would not have been it. What is this mysterious info we withheld??

[quote="Kypros"][quote="sistersister"]"wel l he is a homicide..." Homicide is an action defined by the state and so one can not be a "homicide". ".... becuase he is murdering..." No again homicide is defined by law and Dr. Tiller does not homicide anyone.

Just an fyi to everyone, it's the attack of the filter again. 'Murder' gets changed to 'homicide' now.

then why were the emergency services put on hold for nearly 14 minutes when they asked the nature of the emergency and the receptionist would only repeat i am not authourised to say?

I understand completly that christin died from a infection i didn't ask what she died from i asked why the evasivness i can also understand the no sirens reguest what i cannot understand is if you dial an emergency service number then in effect you are stating you have an emergency situation so to then keep the emergency services on hold for nearly 14 minutes beggars belief but to then claim they have no authourity to tell said emergency services what the emergency is is blatant negligence

The office worker that called the ambulance was not in the same room as the patient, doctors and nurses. She had recieved a message to call the ambulance (her roledex was on her desk).

As she was an office worker and not medical staff she was not able to give specifics of the patients condition. What she knew was that we needed an ambulance and that is what she said. She was right in saying she did not have the authority to say what she did not know. The medical staff was working to help the patient and could not stop to talk to a dispatcher.

The office worker was asked to call for an ambulance and she did the ambulance was dispatched with no delay. When the ambulance arrived the medical staff breifed them on the patient and her symptoms along with what care had been given.

There was no delay in care. There was a delay in an answer to the dispatcher. That was so that another office worker could relay the question back to the medical staff and then relay the answer to the woman on the phone.

Again I ask you what was the "vital" imformation with held by my co workers.

How abot the nature of the emergency and the fact that christin was bleeding heavily?
would it not have been quicker for dr tiller to have phoned through to the emergency service on loud speaker from the office i really don't beleive a clinic as established as dr tillers does not have a phone installed in the surgery for such situations.