Hypoglycemia Rules And Diet Posted: 12-14-07 14:23pm
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is my diet and all the info you need to
get started:
Yes, I know, Stan you keep saying it,
where is it? Well, here it is, revised and
made easier to read. This is the
preferable way to live as a hypoglycemic
to get your body back on track.
Regardless of severity, avoid ALL of the
following:
Anything with white sugar, white flour,
refined flour, corn syrup, dextrose,
mollasses, high fructose corn syrup,
basically everything that sounds too good
to be true. If it does, it is. So yes, you
can no longer eat cake, pie, pizza, candy
and the like. However, it should be noted
that these things can often be made in a
hypoglycemic friendly form using whole
grain products, natural sweeteners and
good food. So, for example, an apple pie
could be made using whole grain, natural
crust, stevia or xylitol as the sweetener,
organic apples, and cinnamon if tolerated
(see below in next part). These things
could possibly be eaten, but ONLY if you
find a way to make them without all the
terrible additives and sugars that have
ruined us to begin with. However, you
should always avoid bananas, corn (all
products containing as well) and root
vegetables. If you want to try them, BE
VERY CAREFUL.
If your case is currently SEVERE, the
following should be eaten in moderation or
avoided at first, otherwise just be aware
that they can cause problems for various
reasons:
Beans (all types), Black Pepper, Cabbage,
Cashews, Cayenne Pepper, Cinnamon, Curry,
Dried Fruits, Garlic, Hot Peppers (the
hotter, the less you should eat if you're
doing bad), Juice (all kinds, best to cut
it with water if you want to try it, equal
amounts), Peanuts and Turmeric. I'm sure
there are more things out there, but these
are the things I've experimented with and
had problems with AT FIRST or figured out
need to be eaten moderately. If you
uncertain, check sugar versus carbohydrate
level (if both are high, it means the
sugar is high and thus the rise of glucose
in the blood) and look on the internet to
see if a specific food or spice is known
for lowering blood sugar.
Everything else can be eaten, paying
attention to food allergies of course. I
prefer to eat organic only if possible,
but certain foods it doesn't matter with
because they don't get too much on them.
Oranges, for example, are not much of a
problem because the pesticides cannot get
into the part you eat. Meat, however is
notorious for containing tons of hormones
and antibiotics if you buy it nonorganic.
Fish is usually not a problem at all, but
be careful of farm raised, it can contain
some serious garbage. Luckily, everything
is indicated now, so if it doesn't say
fresh caught or anything about not using
antibiotics/hormones, it's best to stay
away. This bit is not absolutely
essential, but I recommend it. And now,
without further ado, here's how you put it
all together.
It depends on your GTT, if you've had one,
but I recommend eating no less than once
every two hours. If you get low, snacks
are best such as walnuts and hard boiled
eggs or cheese. DO NOT eat more
carbohydrate except for fruit, preferably
apples. Don't overdo that though and you
may not want to try it if you're starting
out severe. Once you decide on how often
you want to eat, measure everything out.
Typically, you should be eating no less
than 60g and no more than 150g of
carbohydrate per day at first and getting
the majority of it from vegetables and
fruit. You can raise the carbohydrates as
time goes on, but never drop below 60,
EVER or you'll get a nice surprise. If you
seem to be okay on unrefined grain
products, such as brown rice, then that's
fine, but try to make sure your vegetable
content is nonetheless high.
Another good option even for people who
have problems is ONE slice of Ezekiel
bread in the morning, it's pretty common
now and easy to find at general
supermarkets even, and the same company
makes sprouted grain pita wraps, pasta and
more (which I eat often and have no
problems with). Protein should be about 1g
per every TWO pounds of body weight, no
more. If you're more active, such as
weight lifting, more protein is
permissable, but don't overdo it. Before
running, for example, it's best to eat a
lot of protein and THEN carbohydrates
after your run (an orange works best). Fat
content should be below your protein
intake, but a little higher than normal.
Once you get on this diet, your body will
use protein and fat for its main energy,
saving the carbohydrates for the brain and
the sugars from fruit for muscles and back
up energy. So you won't gain, you will
lose weight. Sometimes it's pretty
drastic, but always evens out eventually
Thus, feel free to add organic butter,
cheese and other things to your diet as
you feel the need, but again, don't overdo
the fat just like the protein. The best
thing seems to be to eat a decent amount
of carbohydrates in the morning. My old
routine consisted of avocados (one is
enough) as well as two fried eggs, a whole
apple and sheep yogurt. The avocado
contains a special sugar that suppresses
insulin production, so it's a good idea to
eat them at first. My current breakfast
now consists of the following (to show you
what you'll eventually be able to do):
2 tablespoons of brewer's yeast (downed
with water)
2 fried eggs
1 slice of whole, sprouted grain bread
1 smoothie (it's AWESOME) made from:
1 cup unsweetened almond milk
1/2 cup water
1/40 teaspoon stevia
3 mineral drops
1 whole apple cored and cut into
fourths
1 or 1 1/2 cups of frozen fruit (berry
mix, pineapple, peaches maybe)
2 ice cubes
4 large spoonings of yogurt
my vitamins
Grains are fine, as long as not refined
and you feel like you can take it. I do
not recommend milk, only yogurt or cheese,
and preferably, in the case of yogurt,
goat or sheep only. Your fruit intake
should be decent in the morning, at least
1/2 or a full apple, about the size of a
little less than a softball. After this,
every meal should consist of your protein
intake for the rest of the day divided
evenly, as well as your carbohydrates. If
you've figured 80g of carbs per day, for
example, and eat 5 meals, try at least 30g
in the morning and then 10g for the next
three and 20g for the last one.
Eventually, you should be able to cut down
to a normal three to four meals a day.
Here is an example of what I eat for
lunch:
1 chunk of cheese
1 pound chicken
1/4 pound used for a pita wrap
the rest prepared how I want (for
example, boil the water for a little bit,
put the chicken in it for a short while,
take out, cut into pieces, fry up in
rice vinegar, paprika, pepper salt,
covered in cheese afterwards)
1 sprouted grain pita wrap with some of
the chicken, tomato, lettuce, very
hot sauce and a dallop of sour cream
1 large slice of watermelon
1/2 of an apple
1 liter water with my fish oil pills
Nighttime is important because you should
be eating a little more carbohydrate than
earlier, but not as much as breakfast and
with a little more protein. If you wake
up, always eat protein, never
carbohydrates or fruit. For fruit you can
try whatever you like, just be aware of
carbohydrate content. DO NOT worry about
the fructose in fruit, it actually does
not activate insulin as carbohydrates do,
so eating a bit more if you feel down
during the day can help, but I recommend
this being from apples at first, though
it's up to you.
Supplements:
I recommend taking a good
calcium/magnesium/zinc mix if you can find
it, especially if you're eating more
protein and lower carbohydrates. Fish oil
is also good, preferably from small, wild
caught fish. Brewer's yeast is something
with benefit as well, and I myself take a
tablespoon before breakfast and before my
final meal. In addition, a good multi
vitamin is something to take in the
morning, but totally avoid stuff like
centrum, because they suck. You need to
get a good one from a health food store
and be careful that there aren't any
ingredients you need to avoid in them.
How do you know one is good? Put it in a
small glass of water with a penny. Let
the penny sit in the water for about an
hour, then add the vitamin. If it doesn't
break down in 10 minutes, throw them out,
it means it just passes through you. The
final supplement I recommend is vitamin c,
again in a good form that you're only
going to find at a health food store. High
doses of vitamin c are good for the body
as well as having an insulin lowering
effect to keep you more stable. 1g a day
is plenty, more than that really isn't
necessary and is just expelled from the
body. It's not entirely necessary, and I
actually stopped doing it after awhile.
What should you expect? In lucky cases,
you'll feel better immediately, but this
is rare. Usually, you can expect to feel
awesome for about 1-2 weeks and then like
total, absolute, waste-of-life garbage or
just start out feeling like you're going
to die. I CANNOT stress this enough. YOU
WILL FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO DIE AND
ABSOLUTELY HATE LIFE. Read that again and
again. You may have years of bad eating to
make up for and unforunately one week is
not even the surface of what needs to
happen. Expect to start feeling better, or
at least a small difference, in no longer
than four weeks (it's rare, but it can
take longer), and then slowly get better.
Healing time to where you feel around
90-100% most of the time seems to take at
least 6 months and up to a year in some
cases. Again, YOU WILL HATE IT, YOU WILL
ABSOLUTELY HATE IT. But to keep things
going smoothly, keep yourself in focus and
always remember that you should never
worry about a symptom, new or not, unless
it lasts longer than a steady, and I mean
steady two weeks. Expect a lot of
adjustment in your body, including your
thinking, to be taking place. It won't be
fun, trust me, I had a terribly severe
case and it took forever to feel awesome
again. But now, I'm doing great with
occasional slips that take around 5 days
to go away. If you have any questions
about the above, post away!
Last edited by Stan on 07-05-08 08:49am; edited 3 times in total
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I'm surprised nobody has replied to this.
Thank you for posting it, it's possibly
the most useful chunk of information I've
read over the years.
I've been experimenting with my
protein/carb/fat percentage lately, having
higher fat, higher protein, 20g carbs,
etc. I was suffering from ketosis last
week having been on only 20-30g carbs, as
well as bad skin condition from the high
fat. My sugars were 'ok', but my brain has
been, and still is, utter mush! And the
excess protein ends up as glucose which
I'm comfortable with.
I'm currently on a 40/20/40 which gives me
150g protein, 75g carbs, and 67g fat based
on 1500 calories (It's important that I
get the excess weight off). I'm hoping to
see an improvement soon but having cheated
with bread yesterday I'm rock bottom
today.
As per my previous thread posted, I'm
having a lot of trouble with fatigue,
brain fog, and a group of symptoms that
aren't 'low blood sugar' symptoms but do
seem to be related and persist for as long
as I'm eating carbohydrates (excluding
veggies which I seem to be ok with). I'm
still hanging on to the hope that diet
will help these symptoms, so with a few
ideas from this post (for example, I've
been eating a lot of spicy food lately not
thinking hot peppers could be a problem),
on I go
Again, cheers
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Stan
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Posted: 04-25-08 18:04pm
Sure! That's quite a lot of fat though.
What are you eating for your carbohydrates
in general right now?
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Posted: 04-25-08 18:34pm
I'm a bit lost as to what to eat for carbs
to be honest. I don't want to go for
bread/pasta/rice etc even if it's whole
grain, I get instant fatigue and over the
course of a few days I get stuck in a
rut.
I've been using milk, and then anything I
can lay my hands on to make up the carbs
at the end of the day. I have had the odd
bits of bread and macaroni but I assumed
carbs were carbs so it would be ok -
apparently not.
Going forward I'll be having mainly veg
with some fruit, that seems worth a try. I
don't want to eat any more protein than I
am already, but, I'm not sure how long
glyconeogensis takes and whether that
would upset my pancreas like carbs do. It
might be worth me trying a little lower
fat and higher protein, so the excess is
converted to glucose for my brain (in
theory)
I need to shift this brain fog(!)
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Posted: 04-25-08 19:12pm
You're going to need to try to increase
your fruit intake or try things like
butternut squash. If you've been eating
potatoes or beets, bad bad bad. And
sorry, carbs are not just carbs, I found
that out after six months of pain and
suffering.
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Posted: 04-25-08 19:47pm
Stan Stepanic
wrote:
I found that out after six
months of pain and
suffering.
I'm finding that too. I don't understand
the biology behind it yet but it's
definitely the case.
Potatoes are bad, I know that much. Bread
is very bad, even whole grain, the same
with rice and pasta. Fruit can cause low
blood sugar symptoms (believe it or not),
I seem to be ok with it now, but not on an
empty stomach. I'm trying to aim for a lot
of berries for the fibre content
I seem to have more of a problem with
starches with brain fog and fatigue, and
more of a problem with glucose which
causes the low blood sugar.
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Posted: 04-25-08 22:50pm
I definitely recommend you stop eating
those bananas first off.
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Posted: 04-26-08 03:38am
Banana, pineapple is another one I can't
have on an empty stomach. I'm going to cut
out flour and get my carbs from fruit and
veggies, hopefully that'll show a big
improvement
Sorry if I missed it - what do you do when
it comes to alcohol, coffee, and other
drinks besides water?
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Posted: 04-26-08 11:54am
It's also very important to eat at least a
bit of protein with everything. Some
cheese would be enough with a large
orange, for instance.
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Posted: 04-26-08 13:38pm
Is this to 'slow the process of absorption
of sugar'?
There seems to be a bit of discrepancy
here. My endocrinologist stressed fibre
with each meal for these purposes (and it
works) - but when looking online it seems
a lot of people stress protein with each
meal instead. Maybe either helps
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Posted: 04-28-08 02:10am
I forgot to ask Stan, what about corn
flour?
I'm having trouble finding something to
thicken sauces with. Have you found corn
flour to be ok or no go?
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Posted: 04-30-08 19:38pm
Corn is bad bad bad. However, if you use
corn starch that should be okay, because
you usually don't eat ALL of it when you
make a sauce from it. Corn is usually
really, really bad for hypoglycemics. You
can try a nut flour or flax meal and that
should thicken, but you'll need to
experiment to see how much you need. No
alcohol right now, avoid it entirely.
Anything with any bit of caffeine should
be avoided (if you want to know why I can
tell you). This INCLUDES 'decaf,' which
just means less caffeine, not no caffeine.
Eventually you won't need protein with
everything, I just had a large hunk of
watermelon, an orange and a glass of pure
cranberry juice after running and these
things don't bother me at all anymore.
I've heard various things about this but
as far as I know all of them are
incorrect. Major sugar processing
actually begins RIGHT when you're eating,
it starts to absorb in your mouth (this is
why people who chew get an effect from it,
things enter your blood really easily
through the mouth) and goes right in your
blood through the lining of the stomach as
soon as it hits it. Nothing can 'slow'
this, you can only, sort of, slow down
digestion in the small intestines and
such, but this really doesn't do anything,
it's all a myth as far as I've read. If
you can handle milk you can try that, but
you may do just fine with juice. Try ONLY
bitter fruit juices like blueberry or
cranberry and make sure they're 100% juice
and not from concentrate. It's a little
expensive, but cut that with some water
and see how it goes, it should be okay for
you but you still may be too sensitive.
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Posted: 05-01-08 00:45am
I'll try corn starch then and see how that
goes.
Watermelon
That's one I wouldn't touch right now.
Cheers for the tip on the fruit juices.
And yes I'm fine with milk, my blood
sugars stay relatively stable despite high
and low spikes being within an hour. As
long as I don't go drinking a whole pint,
or I can't move
You have a point about sugar being
absorbed in the mouth. When a diabetic
needs hypostop, it can absorb through the
mouth, gums in particular when you can't
actually get anything in their mouths. But
this is because of glucose content. So if
you were to for example drink Lucozade, no
amount of fibre with it will stop a crash
because of the ridiculous amount of
glucose the drinks contain, it can be
absorbed straight into the blood stream
without digestion and so can be absorbed
at the mouth. However, a food high in
complex chains which require breaking down
before they can absorb into the blood
stream, wouldn't be absorbed in the mouth,
it would have to reach the stomach and
undergo digestion first.
Think of the glycemic index. More complex
chains take much longer to absorb into the
blood stream because they have to be
broken down into glucose units first. But
the closer the substance is to glucose
itself, the faster it is broken down, and
the faster it is absorbed. Glucose itself,
doesn't need to be broken down and so can
be absorbed at any point. (There's
actually something I forget the name of
that absorbs faster than glucose .)
What fibre does in my understanding is
slow down the process of your
carbohydrate, complex or otherwise, being
broken down into glucose. Which will help
if the food doesn't contain glucose
itself.
I'm wary of protein. Yes you need enough
in your diet and with low carbohydrate you
need the extra protein. But, excess
protein is converted into glucose in a
process called glyconeogenesis. So
ingesting more protein than your body
needs may not be a good thing. I'm not
entirely sure how quickly this process
happens and so I'm not sure if too much
protein would cause problems with insulin.
It would be worth looking into if you're
not already aware of it.
and people are saying not to use glucose
tabs or eat any sugar at all because then
you just continue the cycle of high
insulin release -> low blood sugar
-> eat sugar -> raises blood sugar
-> high insulin release
so are even simple sugars bad? i dont
mind cutting out sugars completely if i
can be rid of this disorder.
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Posted: 05-12-08 10:00am
YES, they are awful for you. All simple
sugars must be eliminated.
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opk Posted: 05-12-08 10:29am
so what am i supposed to do when my blood
sugar gets low like it is now? I just got
really bad hypoglycemia this friday and
passed out with a blood sugar of 42. im
trying to stabilize.
what am i supposed to do when i feel
crummy and my hands go numb (especially at
night)
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Posted: 05-12-08 11:01am
You need to eat protein. You can have
something like half an apple if you
tolerate it, but absolutely do not eat any
other type of carbohydrate than this. No
pasta, bread or anything like that.
Protein is preferable at night because
it's slow to go into the system, so it
won't cause problems over time. The
unfortunate thing is, you need to wait
this out. It takes a lot of patience and
time, you won't get better in a day, or
even a month.
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trackerbishop
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Posted: 05-12-08 11:56am
ok so no hard candy? thats what the
arrogant drs at the ER told me to do.
sadly they dont know a thing about
nutrition and dont learn it in med school.
so how does protein keep my blood sugar
from dropping?
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Posted: 05-12-08 15:50pm
All food is converted into glucose when
you eat it, protein is just a lot slower
in the process. It gives your body energy
while things get better, but it doesn't
stimulate insulin like carbohydrates do,
so it's the snack of choice for you right
now. NO candy.
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Posted: 07-05-08 08:34am
Can an admin please sticky this again?
Lots of people ask about it and it keeps
getting moved around.