I was having a go at pro-lifers Sandy- I was having a go at the ones who stand outside protesting. The last thing someone needs to see when they're just going for contraception is posters of dead fetuses

agreed.

Theres a time and place for everything.. and people shouldnt be forcing their opinions so rudely towards people. I dont mind them trying to spread the word, but do it in a civilized manner.. and dont be so crass about it, u know?

I meant to say wasn't having a go at prolifers lol

i agree with sandy and im against abortion. its not a baby yet its a sperm attacking an egg. quick kay defend those eggs from the evil sperm!

People are going to be mad at me but I have to say I see it as an abortion when you use the morning after pill. Sorry, it's my opinion and if you are entitled to speak yours then I can speak mine.

Why it is wrong for pro-lifers to hold up signs in front of an abortion clinic but it's okay to hold up signs of what smoking does to people in front of tobacco companies.

I think that is called double standards. Don't make fun of people for standing up for things. It's not fair for you guys to do that whenever they can't defend themselves.

I have seen some psycho anti-war demonstrators-standing in front of soldier's funerals no less- and I never hear you talking negative about them.

I tell you, this country is getting screwier by the minute.

No one is mad when you have an opinion and you stand by it.

By the way, just for reference to anyone who does not know this, the morning after pill does not 'abort' anything - what it does is prevent a woman from ovulating. It alters a woman's normal cycle and can delay her period. What it also does is irritate the lining of the uterus.

The morning-after pill reduces the chance of getting pregnant; it does NOT cause an abortion.

That isn't meant to debate your beliefs. I am just offering the information so people can be informed.

I don't believe anyone should stand in front of a soldier's funeral and protest! I think it is wrong. I do believe the anti-war demonstrators are protesting that soldier's death - much like pro-life protestors believe they are protesting against lost lives too. I'm sure that would be how they would argue that point.

Again, not to debate. Just to inform. You have every right to your beliefs. Everyone does.

I have no problem if it only stopped ovulation. What happens if you already ovulated though and then take it.

If it irritates the lining then the fertilized egg won't implant. I believe that life begins at conception so I think that is aborting the baby.

Enough said though, this is not the abortion debate forum.

yes, ladies.. PERFECT thread for Abortion Debate

A fetus doesn't have a detectable heartbeat until 18 days after conception. And it's not even easily detected at that stage. Can it truly be considered life without a heartbeat?
I personally have no problem with the morning after pill when used once as emergency contraception. "Repeat offenders," however, are another story entirely.

any news kay???

No. Not really. It is after all your opinion and certainly you are entitled to it. As long as you don't want to control my body with it I see no problem.



Why don't they hold those signs up in front of the stores that sell the tobacco products? The major problem I have with those signs is that often they are innaccurate, photoshopped and frankly I think its terrible to expose young children riding in the car driving by to them.



I don't think its a double standard at all. I think there are more acceptable ways to spread misinformation though. Its one thing to stand up for what you believe in: writing letter to elected officials is a good idea; exposing my two year old daughter to a gory photoshopped sign so she has nightmares isn't it.



Possibly because this is an abortion debate not a debate about the war?



Who exactly is forcing you to live here??

This was a split topic from Pregnancy Community Chat

As Ingi attempted to explain, the Morning After Pill is not in fact any more of an abortionofenic than normal birth control pills.

Someone said the MAP irritates the lining of the uterus to prevent implantation. Yes it does this, but that is NOT THE PRIMARY FUNCTION. The MAP is SUPPOSED to prevent ovulation first and foremost, just like birth control pills. However, just like birth control pills, the MAP has other effects. Birth control pills thin the lining of the uterus, thicken the mucous plug at the cervix, and can indeed make the uterus a hostile environment for both sperm AND a fertilized egg.

This doesn't happen often, but because the lining of the uterus is so thin, it is possible for the pills to not prevent ovulation, and an egg gets fertilized. Then, it goes into the uterus... but has no where to land. Thus, the birth control pills just aborted a pre-implantation embryo.

THIS IS RARE, just as it is rare for the MAP to cause abortion. It PRIMARILY prevents ovulation.

So if you're going to complain about the MAP, then complain about normal birth control pills too.

All this because I'm taking the morning after pill and don't want to have to beat my way through hordes of mind-numbingly antagonistic pro-lifers to pick it up? I'm not getting an abortion, I'm buying birth control.

*edited to add to my rant*

I've said before and I'll say again that I'm pro-life when it comes to myself but pro-choice when it comes to everyone else. No one has the right to tell anyone what to do with their own body. No one has the right to force someone into something that they don't want to do. Here's another shocking little secret I've been considering what will happen if these pills don't work. I was told that I have up to five days but they're most effective within the first 72 hours. If I wind up pregnant anyway I will seriously consider an abortion. I love my son to death but I don't know if I can go through all of this all over again. I had a terrible pregnancy with him and I'm not exactly sure that I'm willing to repeat it. Passing out, falling down, having my blood pressure sky rocket until I start feeling numb and blackout is not my idea of a good time. I chafed at the pro-choice description of a fetus as a parasite until I got pregnant. I felt like my body had been taken over by an alien who was slowly but surely sucking the lifeblood out of me. Having said that, up until this little scare with the condom coming off inside me I had little rosy visions of having another baby. The kind of crap you see on the hallmark channel. All romantic and dreamy, but that's just it, it was a dream. Not something that I ever want to see again in reality. The depression and the panic that I felt when I found out that the beeping condom had come off proved that to me, the panic and depression that I'm still feeling waiting around to see if my period shows. And if I wind up pregnant after all and have an abortion not a single soul has the right to say anything to me about it. That's why I will fight the in your face pro-lifers with everything that I have in me. Because up until today, I took it all for granted. But never again, I will fight so that I will have the choice if I ever decide I want to make it and I will fight for everyone else to have that same freedom.

*rant over*

Yikes sorry for making it go this far.

I'm just pro-choice all the way. I know eactly how you feel Kay. I had rosy visions of having another baby but now I have totally changed my mind. I ad my coil refitted and when they thought it may of displaced they said there was a chance that I could get pregnant. i told my partner straightaway that if that was the case I would have an abortion.

My partner was shocked that I could change my mind from wanting a baby so bad to suddenly contemplating abortion but when I finally made up my mind not to have a baby the relief that washed over me was immense and i figured that was the same relief somone gets when they end an unwanted pregnancy

So yeah I am totally pro-choice for me and others. In a few years I plan to get sterilised. When my doctor will let me

Thanks. I honestly think more people believe this is a pill to induce abortions and it is not anything like that.

I have done extensive research on ECP and found that the primary mechanism is indeed suppression of ovulation . The secondary they "believe" to be altering the uterine lining making impossible for the egg to implant. However, that is not been proven 100% ! I don't see the difference with BC or ECP...they are both against the natural process so one should not be discussed or disapproved of , if they both ultimately do the same thing, prevent pregnancy!

I'm not sure what the rationale is, Ingi. I know you're talking about people confusing the map for an abortion but I'm talking about being "pro-life" in general. I can't honestly say that I've ever entirely understood the rationale behind the entire pro life stance.... I've gone along with it for myself for my own conscience but I don't think I've ever really understood why. The only thing that really makes sense to me is that it should be an individual's choice.

If you believe it should be the individual's choice then you're not really pro-life at all, you're pro-choice.