squeezed lumbar 4 and 5 - exercises for recovery?

Hello Robairlb,

First, try to be patient. It takes time for the body to heal.

May I ask which type of doctor you have seen? Which medications were prescribed, and what was in the injections you received? Thank you.

May you also be so kind as to tell us in which country you live? Thank you.

RichT

The best exercise is walking

so many people told me to walk but i am still in pain a bit shall i wait?
how about the sitting position i have to sit at work for long hours

Hi, I am suffering from L4 L5 herniated disks. Its my 3rd week I am laying aroung and only walking is mleast painful. Sitting for too long is no good. You are putting 135lb pressure on your lumbar. I started a decompression or other way of saying traction table therapy. Habing my fingers crossed it will help. It was a good experience while beng pulled. have to do it gradually though. Good luck.Whilein pain neurorubine injections helped a lot with the inflamation. Its b vitamin complex known of decreasing the inflomation of the ends of nerve root. Get better soon!

Hello Robairlb,

Just a few important words - LISTEN TO YOUR BODY AND MIND!!!!

Robairlb, do listen to your body and what your mind says. Only upi know. That's not me just talking, that's my doctor and my physical therapist. How many times has my PM doctor told me that when my body doesn't like something I am doing to it to STOP. Several times. How many times has my physical therapist told me "Now if it hurts, let me know and I will stop. Many times.

YES, exercise IS important. If I don't move, then my back gets sore and the pain starts in. BUT, there is that line. Pushing onesself TOO much is not good. Most of us have "crossed over that line" and paid for it.

I am a big believer in following the doctor's advice, but also if what he tells me to do for exercise hurts, then I call him up. Also if he prescribes a medication that I react adversely to I call him up.

I am also a big believer in physical therapy. What they do and have you do can REALLY make a positive difference. Yes, I can feel the stretching feelings, I can feel that I really have to work at lifting some weights, but as soon as my body says "Im in pain", I stop.

Walking is good, but follow your doctor's advice on what you should do and not do. But when the pain starts in, then it is time to stop and give your doctor a call.

About sitting for long periods of time - THAT is a NO NO for those of us with back pain. Wood chairs/uncomfortable chairs are a NO NO for my back. When we go to a restaurant that has comfortable cusioned chairs I still take my GREAT form fitting cushion with me. It really helps, but even then I may have to get up and go for a short walk to "loosen up".

From what you have shared with us, it would seem best that you not go back to work at this time. AND when you do go back to work, tell your manager that you will need to start with just half days, AND that you will need to take several breaks to walk around and loosen up a bit.

Sorry this is so long. I do understand what you are saying, and wanted to make sure you know that I have been there.

Take care, hope things get better for you.

RichT

Hello Robairlb,

Now to get back to the information you so kindly provided in your 12-13-07 1:37 am post.

Thank you so very much for sharing the information I requested. It helps to better understand things.

First and foremost, I hope you are safe and doing well. Knowing the "difficulties" that have taken place in your country makes me concerned about you. Some day I hope and pray there will be peace on this planet Earth.

I did some checking on the internet regarding your "Neocodeon and Profinned injections. Basically Neocodion is a "codeine antitussive preparation". In other words it is an opiate, a pain killer, and one in which you can become addicted to. I am not a doctor, but I always become very concerned with that type of medication. Pain medication only covers up the pain (maybe). It does NOTHING to reduce any inflammation that may be causing the pain.

Now on to Profineed - I could not find any information about this medication on the internet. May it be possible to find out what it is called in Europe or the U.S.? Or is there another name for the medication in your country?

Robairlb, I commend you for seeing four doctors. Did they have the same opinion on what was causing your back pain, and what should be done to eliminate the pain?

I will look forward to your response.

RichT

Sorry for all the questions.

you can find some good exercises at www.spineuniverse.com and www.nass.org

Hello Robairlb,

With due respect to Wdpwkp, I must caution you against just doing some exercise that is on the internet. You DON'T know whether a given internet expercise is good or bad for your specific problem. You won't even know if you are dong the exercise correctly.

PLEASE DON'T play doctor. You run the risk of making things MUCH worse.

My doctor will prescribe the type of exercises my physical therapist is to do and to show me. My physical therapist will have me do my "home exercises" in their facitily and watch that I am doing it correctly. Three days later when I show up for another session and she tells me to do a specific "home" exercise", in a number of cases she has told me I was not doing the exercise properly. When you have back problems exercising is a whole different game than doing exercises when you are young and don't have a back problem.

RichT

RichT

ok guys here is exactly my medicines with exact names
now after about 25 days i can stand up walk and go to work like normal but i still feel some little pain after long sitting and the getting up, however i lied for 14 days on my back .
all doctors said that lubar 4 and 5 have lost the material inside and squeesed a bit but the disc is still ok , with certain excerise it can recover like %70
now my only concern is to avoid this pain again ...

Tablets:
Feldene (poroxicam dispersible 20mb)
Muscerol Extra (paracetamol, orphenadrine citrate, caffeine)
Norgesic (skeletal muscle relaxant with analgesic)

Mobilat Gel

Injection:

Neurorubine (vitamins b1,b6,b12)
Profenid 100 mg (intramusculair ketoprofen)

Hello Robairlb,

Thank you very much for the medication information you provided. I am still trying to learn more about the medications. Profenid is (and I quote from a web site) "An Ibuprofen type anti-inflammatory analgesic and antipyretic. It is used in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis and osteoarthritis".

I hope your back is feeling better now. Do let us know how you are doing.

Take care.

RichT

Hello Robairlb,

I did a little looking on the internet regarding Mobilat Gel. I am not a doctor, however, I would like to quote some of what I read about Mobilat Gel (note this is a Google translation from the German) " "Few appropriate with arthritis and joint problems. Therapeutic efficacy of the local application is not sufficiently proven." "This is a heparinähnliche substance, which inhibit blood coagulation."

And from another web site a precaution about mobilat Gel - "Mobilat gel may affect the blood coagulation time with a consequent danger of haemorrhage."

Robairlb, you may wish to do some of your own research on Mobilat Gel, and then discuss it with your doctor.

Personally I would be concerned about using this gel myself.

More later.

RichT

Back again,

Norgesic tablet - To quote from a web site - "It contains orphenadrine citrate and paracetamol. Orphenadrine citrate is a skeletal muscle relaxant. It acts in the central nervous system to produce its muscle relaxant effects. Paracetamol is used to treat or prevent pain and reduce fever." "Norgesic is used to treat tension headache and headaches caused by spasm of the muscles in the back of your head and neck. It is also used to help relax certain muscles in your body and to relieve the pain and discomfort caused by sprains, strains or other injury to your muscles." Also on the APPGuide Online web site is a fairly large list of situations in which you should not take this tablet. Again disucss this with your doctor.

RichT

Muscerol Extra - As you will note some of the same ingredients as Norgesic. As with most medications there is a list of contraindications and precaustions which would be best to discuss with your doctor.

Feldene - The generic name is piroxicam. It is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID). Permit me to again quote from the Drugs.com web site - "Piroxicam is used to treat pain or inflammation caused by arthritis." "This medicine can increase your risk of life-threatening heart or circulation problems, including heart attack or stroke. This risk will increase the longer you use piroxicam." It would seem most appropriate that you discuss this medication with your doctor.

Robairlb, please understand that with most medications there can be some adverse side effects for some people. I for one react adversely to ephedrine. Medications CAN help many patients. However, very few doctors here in the U.S. will tell you about the adverse side effects. It should not be that way. So ALWAYS read about the side effects. AND should you develop a side effect from a medication always IMMEDIATELY get in contact with your doctor. And don't forget - YOU know your body best!!!

Please stay in touch and let us know how things go for you.

RichT

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Thanks RichT
i went back to my doctor about the medications and he explained all side effects he said it can get harmful after a long period of usage like more than 6 months but not for a couple of weeks.
now after 40 days i feel %80 much better, doctor gave a belt named Dr. Disk
very effective a lifts upper part of your body from the spine to reduce pressure,
I recommend to any one with similar problem. I stopped all medication on the 3rd week , now the best for me is walking and some light exercise on the floor
hope everybody is well too
regards

Hello Robairlb,

Wonderful that the majority of your pain is now gone. It was also great to read that you now have stopped taking the medications.

Yes, I agree, walking and light exercises can really help. I know I have been doing too much sitting and need to do more exercises myself.

I hope all continues to go well for you.

RichT

Rich is so right on this. During the day when I am up and around, my pain is so slight. Still there of course but slight. I walk everyday one block to and from the food market. Gives me a landmark so to speak. I notice the moment I am in one postition for a to longer leangh of time, the pain gets worse. I am a stomach sleeper with my pillows cruched up. Not anymore I'm not. Kills my spine to be inverted. Righ is right when he says your back will kinda freeze up on ya if you do not get some exersice. I know it hurts. I will be starting Physical Theropy in a couple of weeks to get me to try and get my balance back.

I wish you the best and the neurologist told me by no means am I to use any creams for pain of any kind. They are just for surface pain like muscle tension and stuff. Do'nt even touch the spine as deep as it is.

i got an email on this post today so I am following up
so on Feb 2008 my back pain almost was gone, but suddenly i started to feel pain on the back of my left leg with tension going down and pain started to increase for sometimes I could not sleep, so I visited my doctor and he gave me some cortisone tablets (sorry I can't remember the name) I took about 60mg a day, he said it will strengthen my nerves and reduce pain, but the pain was the same for about six months and the leg became week and I was hardly walking so finally i got fed up and did MRI and like 4 doctors insisted to do surgery the soonest before the nerve gets pined and I could lose my leg
so on 30 Sep 2008 I had a surgery lumber 4 and 5 and the next day I walked out home and after 3 days I was driving and working again like normal. All pain along the leg disappeared totally but i was still feeling some numbness for about two months so I took tablets "Lyrica" and all numbness was gone
I did 20 physiotherapy sessions after that and all pain disappeared. Now I feel good but some lower back pain comes back from time to time when i sit for a long time or I carry my kids but I never use any medications anymore. so my advice is to walk and walk every day for at least 20 minutes, i found out walking will reduce the pain a lot and will strengthen back muscles. i wish all to be well and glad to share my experience