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Q: Thought Experiment #1
asked by: Georgia59 on November 29th, 2007
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So here's a situation... I didn't think of it, read it in some ethics article... you might have heard it before...

Let's pretend (and you have to go with me here, I know it's not actually possible but just pretend) that in the year 2047, someone creates a very special medicine.

It only works in cats. If you inject it into a cat, the cat will miraculously turn into a human baby, as if it was just born. This baby will be perfectly healthy. And any cat can receive this injection and turn into a baby.

So, since every cat is now a potential baby, do we have to protect cats and fight for their lives and safekeeping?

I'd like to know your thoughts.

Please go along with the idea here, don't debate if it's useful or not. And if you think it's a horrible scenario, it would be beneficial if you explain why it is not a good metaphor for abortion.

I have more where this came from.... (rubs hands evilly) Laughing
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Verizon-y
replied on November 29th, 2007
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I would make it illegal to put cats to sleep. They are embryos!!!!
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Jules
replied on November 30th, 2007
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Re: Thought Experiment #1
Georgia59 wrote:
protect cats and fight for their lives and safekeeping?


I think we should do this anyway!

Seriously though, the cat is still a cat until it has the injection so I would say that it should have the right to a peaceful, cruelty-free life as all animals should.

I think it depends on at what point you regard something as having the 'potential' to be a human being and at what point it is a human being. The cat is a potential human being and so is a sperm and an egg. Personally, I don't think the potential means anything - I don't mourn the loss of an egg and I wouldn't mourn the poor cat not being turned into a human baby. However, to me, an embryo is a human being (albeit a very immature one) so it is not just a 'potential'.

However, despite my belief that an embryo is a human being, I am aware that it is different to a born human being and I place higher value on the born person than the embryo. Just like I place higher value on the life of a baby over that of a dog. I actually believe that all living things have an equal right to life but as a human being that is just impossible to enforce. I am being selfish in my very act of living and since I don't want to kill myself, I have to accept that the natural order of life is fundamentally unfair.

Hope that made sense. It was a bit of a stream of consciousness! Laughing
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Sandbox Party
replied on November 30th, 2007
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so.. why a cat? Ofcourse because of the type of animal it is and how widely accepted they are, one will be like, *yes, lets!* but if say, it were replaced with a sewer rat or skunk, would we feel the same way?

animals should be protected anyway.. they are, after all, living beings and deserve respect.
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replied on November 30th, 2007
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Re: Thought Experiment #1
Jules wrote:
Georgia59 wrote:
protect cats and fight for their lives and safekeeping?


I think we should do this anyway!

Seriously though, the cat is still a cat until it has the injection so I would say that it should have the right to a peaceful, cruelty-free life as all animals should.

I think it depends on at what point you regard something as having the 'potential' to be a human being and at what point it is a human being. The cat is a potential human being and so is a sperm and an egg. Personally, I don't think the potential means anything - I don't mourn the loss of an egg and I wouldn't mourn the poor cat not being turned into a human baby. However, to me, an embryo is a human being (albeit a very immature one) so it is not just a 'potential'.

However, despite my belief that an embryo is a human being, I am aware that it is different to a born human being and I place higher value on the born person than the embryo. Just like I place higher value on the life of a baby over that of a dog. I actually believe that all living things have an equal right to life but as a human being that is just impossible to enforce. I am being selfish in my very act of living and since I don't want to kill myself, I have to accept that the natural order of life is fundamentally unfair.

Hope that made sense. It was a bit of a stream of consciousness! Laughing


It makes sense to me except for this part:

Personally, I don't think the potential means anything - I don't mourn the loss of an egg and I wouldn't mourn the poor cat not being turned into a human baby. However, to me, an embryo is a human being (albeit a very immature one) so it is not just a 'potential'.
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Emma2
replied on November 30th, 2007
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No, unless the human race is unable to reproduce on their own anymore. Other than that they should be treated as cats .
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Verizon-y
replied on November 30th, 2007
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And cells should be treated as cells.
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meblonde01
replied on November 30th, 2007
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when are cells not treated as cells???????
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Emma2
replied on November 30th, 2007
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Rolling Eyes

LOL, I never met a cell that I treated any differently or more than what they are. However, i'll keep you in mind next encounter!
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Georgia59
replied on November 30th, 2007
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Hmm.. so what if we change it to a sewer rat?

Would killing sewer rats become illegal?
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Emma2
replied on November 30th, 2007
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No, cause god knows they multiply at a ridiculous rate so we are sure to never run out of rats!

Forget changing the specie of animal the point has been made.
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Jules
replied on November 30th, 2007
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More questions! More questions! I love these things!
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Birch
replied on November 30th, 2007
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meblonde01 wrote:
when are cells not treated as cells???????


When they are stem cells.
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meblonde01
replied on November 30th, 2007
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Birch wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
when are cells not treated as cells???????


When they are stem cells.


awwwww IC
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Cambion
replied on November 30th, 2007
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Why would you want to turn a beautiful kitty into a fugly baby? I couldn't fathom doing that to an innocent cat Smile

It'd be nice if killing cats for any reason beyond euthanasia was made illegal, as well as for other domestic animals (I understand people kill wild animals for sport/food, but that's a whole other ethics issue).
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Verizon-y
replied on November 30th, 2007
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Birch wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
when are cells not treated as cells???????


When they are stem cells.


Or when they are zygotes. A zygote is a single cell.
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Verizon-y
replied on November 30th, 2007
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Cambion wrote:
Why would you want to turn a beautiful kitty into a fugly baby? I couldn't fathom doing that to an innocent cat Smile

It'd be nice if killing cats for any reason beyond euthanasia was made illegal, as well as for other domestic animals (I understand people kill wild animals for sport/food, but that's a whole other ethics issue).


rofl!
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oopoopoop
replied on December 2nd, 2007
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Brainwash please! I will never be able to look at my sweet, fluffy kitties in the same way again. I keep picturing a horrible, naked drooling slug that doesn't even know how to use the litter box.
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Tylanas
replied on December 2nd, 2007
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Re: Thought Experiment #1
futureshock wrote:

It makes sense to me except for this part:

Personally, I don't think the potential means anything - I don't mourn the loss of an egg and I wouldn't mourn the poor cat not being turned into a human baby. However, to me, an embryo is a human being (albeit a very immature one) so it is not just a 'potential'.


I think you're confused about this part, right?

"However, to me, an embryo is a human being (albeit a very immature one) so it is not just a 'potential'."

I personally agree. A zef is not a potential human; it IS human. Again, it's not a fish embryo or a cat embryo, it is a human embryo.

However, IMO, it IS still only a potential PERSON.
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SmartyShirt
replied on December 4th, 2007
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no because i cat wouldnt become a human becuz its meant to be a cat because when u think about it if u didnt midically affect it it would be a cat but if u dont mediclay affect a baby then tis born
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